Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2013, 03:46:37 AM »
I know about "their" bendy light "theory" - I have been lurking here for a couple of weeks.

I think the assumtion they are working form, if we are to be more accurate, is that the bible is true; or at least this is the assumption rowbotham's re-ignition of the flat earth theory, from which this forum derives its influence, is working from.

I don't think they want to be associated with the bible's viewpoint. From what I've seen, most of the FEers make it sound as though their initial assumption is because it looks flat on a local scale.

I do know of one person however that doesn't believe the Earth is rotating. However, how that leads to the conclusion that Earth must be flat and not simply a geocentric model, I'm not sure.

The problem here is that if you were to take perception as seriously as the flat earthers' do we would have to say that the earth seems to be amorphous, or confusing, to say it is flat requires some kind of conjectural process and not mere observation. The fact is this theory is biblical.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2013, 06:44:54 AM »
If it was this simple, why did it take you guys almost two millenia to figure out?  ???

The stranglehold of the church hindered scientific progress for a majority of that time.

FEers face a similar stranglehold.  :(
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2013, 08:05:11 AM »
There's no doubt in my mind that the Earth is flat, and that such a model can be fully supported with an accurate mathematical framework.
I would be very much interested in seeing such a model.
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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2013, 09:28:58 AM »
If it was this simple, why did it take you guys almost two millenia to figure out?  ???

The stranglehold of the church hindered scientific progress for a majority of that time.

FEers face a similar stranglehold.  :(

Has this forum been shut down? You're free to think as you please, conduct experiments as you please, and collaborate as you please. There is no stranglehold for FEers other than the theory they believe in.
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2013, 11:22:20 AM »
Gravity, as far as I have understood from the work of even Stephen Hawking, occurs when an object of a certain mass creates a ripple in the space fabric of the universe.  This dimple in the universe pulls in objects from all directions and forms bends in the space-time continuum.  What I am discovering after much research is that there is much guessing and throwing of cards when it comes to such theories.  There could be a form of etheric cohesion which seems more likely than some confession of a real space "fabric" (a term I use loosely)...  The etheric cohesion creates a sensation of a constant upward movement by steady energization.  Please read the FAQ on how we stay on the earth... It answers a lot of question that you may be asking...

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2013, 11:32:09 AM »
Gravity, as far as I have understood from the work of even Stephen Hawking, occurs when an object of a certain mass creates a ripple in the space fabric of the universe.  This dimple in the universe pulls in objects from all directions and forms bends in the space-time continuum.  What I am discovering after much research is that there is much guessing and throwing of cards when it comes to such theories.  There could be a form of etheric cohesion which seems more likely than some confession of a real space "fabric" (a term I use loosely)...  The etheric cohesion creates a sensation of a constant upward movement by steady energization.  Please read the FAQ on how we stay on the earth... It answers a lot of question that you may be asking...
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You should do research outside this forum, not just rely on the FAQ to answer your questions.  The FAQ presents more questions than it answers.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2013, 11:45:22 AM »
If it was this simple, why did it take you guys almost two millenia to figure out?  ???

The stranglehold of the church hindered scientific progress for a majority of that time.

FEers face a similar stranglehold.  :(

Has this forum been shut down? You're free to think as you please, conduct experiments as you please, and collaborate as you please. There is no stranglehold for FEers other than the theory they believe in.

Shutting us down would be the most effective way of helping us. No, the stranglehold is not the theory itself. It is insufferable, prejudiced globularists such as yourself.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2013, 03:50:46 PM »
If it was this simple, why did it take you guys almost two millenia to figure out?  ???

The stranglehold of the church hindered scientific progress for a majority of that time.

FEers face a similar stranglehold.  :(

Has this forum been shut down? You're free to think as you please, conduct experiments as you please, and collaborate as you please. There is no stranglehold for FEers other than the theory they believe in.

Shutting us down would be the most effective way of helping us. No, the stranglehold is not the theory itself. It is insufferable, prejudiced globularists such as yourself.

Globularists are doing nothing to halt your research in FET,  you could ignore every single RE post and work solely on FET if you so chose to.  We are actually helping you identify the holes in your theory.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #98 on: May 15, 2013, 07:16:26 PM »
If it was this simple, why did it take you guys almost two millenia to figure out?  ???

The stranglehold of the church hindered scientific progress for a majority of that time.

FEers face a similar stranglehold.  :(

Has this forum been shut down? You're free to think as you please, conduct experiments as you please, and collaborate as you please. There is no stranglehold for FEers other than the theory they believe in.

Shutting us down would be the most effective way of helping us. No, the stranglehold is not the theory itself. It is insufferable, prejudiced globularists such as yourself.

Globularists are doing nothing to halt your research in FET

That's actually not true at all.  It's because of the rigid dogmatism of globularist orthodoxy that so few are able to see the light.  Not only have we not had the time, we have not had the numbers either.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #99 on: May 15, 2013, 08:21:16 PM »
Shutting us down would be the most effective way of helping us. No, the stranglehold is not the theory itself. It is insufferable, prejudiced globularists such as yourself.
You could all be crying a river about how the government shut down your forum because you believe "they're hiding the truth", but in reality, no one would even bat an eyelash at you. Sadly, FET has no plausibility whatsoever, but fi the same happened for a more reasonably plausible theory such as, say, 9/11 being rigged, and then people would listen.

So we've hurt your feelings, is that it? Has that hindered your progress? Would you rather we massage your shoulders and whisper supportive remarks into your ear as you come up with further nonsense?
By the way, just so you know, I'm only prejudiced against stupidity.

That's actually not true at all.  It's because of the rigid dogmatism of globularist orthodoxy that so few are able to see the light.  Not only have we not had the time, we have not had the numbers either.

How is most of the world believing the Earth is round slowing down your progress? Or is it that all you really want to achieve is a larger community of believers? This sounds awfully like a cult...

You've had plenty of time, and all you've come up with are illogical and completely broken models, and the numbers are everywhere to be found.
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2013, 08:50:42 PM »
That's actually not true at all.  It's because of the rigid dogmatism of globularist orthodoxy that so few are able to see the light.  Not only have we not had the time, we have not had the numbers either.

How is most of the world believing the Earth is round slowing down your progress? Or is it that all you really want to achieve is a larger community of believers? This sounds awfully like a cult...

You completely misunderstand.  We don't have as many people researching these things as REers have traditionally had.  Remember it took close to two thousand years to figure out what you yourself claimed to be an incredibly simple (almost like it's something we should just understand intuitively the way you put it!) working model of the universe and that's with the scientific orthodoxy on your side. 

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You've had plenty of time, and all you've come up with are illogical and completely broken models, and the numbers are everywhere to be found.

I entirely disagree.  I think we've made great leaps in the last several years and as more years pass the theory is bound to become more refined and robust. 
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #101 on: May 15, 2013, 09:14:07 PM »
I just wanted to complete the quote from DuckDodgers for you, and add a little emphasis:

...you could ignore every single RE post and work solely on FET if you so chose to.  We are actually helping you identify the holes in your theory.

Take bendy light for example. I put a bit of work into figuring out how much it would have to bend both up/down and left/right. You can find all that info (and the related discussion of course) in this thread. This should be of great help for someone to work out a proper formula and constant to describe the behaviour of bendy light. Of course, without bendy light, FET just doesn't work at all, it's just too easy to prove wrong.

Back on topic though, gravity is the "explanation of best fit" when it comes to explaining why things fall to earth when dropped. It doesn't have to mean the earth is round, it just means it doesn't have to be accelerating upward at a rate of ~9.81ms-2 (which is totally implausible, especially with variances in the acceleration due to gravity being so well known, and easily measured).

Use the feedback you get to refine your theories into something more coherent and plausible, just like real scientists do.
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Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2013, 09:23:43 PM »
You completely misunderstand.  We don't have as many people researching these things as REers have traditionally had.  Remember it took close to two thousand years to figure out what you yourself claimed to be an incredibly simple (almost like it's something we should just understand intuitively the way you put it!) working model of the universe and that's with the scientific orthodoxy on your side.
Like I said, things only really kicked off since Newton's time, and I never said RET is simple, but rather it assumes very little and it all comes together very nicely. Gravity explains just about everything that we can observe about our Earth.

Also, it's dishonest to compare the 2000 years needed to get to where RET is today with FET needing the same amount of time. It took most of that time to just discover all the continents on Earth, while now you can fly pretty much anywhere you want. We also have the internet, and the internet holds all the data you would ever need, yet you still can't build a working model with it all. Hmm...

I entirely disagree.  I think we've made great leaps in the last several years and as more years pass the theory is bound to become more refined and robust.

You're right, you've made more alternative models that don't work either, you've made up more broken theories to try and explain your other broken theories (bendy light?) and all this has done is split up your small community even further, giving them freedom to pick and choose amongst a plethora of broken theories.

Do you like your theory broken along the middle, or chipped off from the edges?
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2013, 10:30:40 AM »


That's actually not true at all.  It's because of the rigid dogmatism of globularist orthodoxy that so few are able to see the light.  Not only have we not had the time,

Pure rhetoric.

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we have not had the numbers either.

Yeah, but not because of the "globularists"; it is because there is no reasonable explanation of why should even consider the earth to be flat.


Re: Gravity. It disproves FE Theory.
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2013, 10:39:57 AM »
I don't see any need for gravity at all.

That is because you don't unserstand what a theory is.

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 It's just something that's made up to account for what we are told to perceive as to what we are in the universe and what is happening in the universe.

All knowledge takes this form. Name one theory that is not made up to explain what is happening in the universe?

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I don't believe there is any such thing as gravity at all. Our own weight and the weight of everything else is sufficient to keep us on the ground on a flat infinite earth, which is the floor of the universe above us.

That is what gravity explains you eejit (apart from the flat earth bit, obviously)

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