When Physicists get jelly

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When Physicists get jelly
« on: April 22, 2013, 10:36:38 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22250092

The amount of pouting by American physicist Carl Hagen is embarrassing.

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One of the scientists who helped develop the theory of the Higgs boson says the particle should be renamed.

Carl Hagen believes the name should acknowledge the work of others - not just UK physicist Peter Higgs.

Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22250092
American Prof Hagen told BBC News: "I have always thought that the name was not a proper one.  >o< *Stamps feet*

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"To single out one individual marginalises the contribution of others involved in the work. Although I did not start this campaign to change the name, I welcome it."

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All spoke at a press conference last year to announce the discovery of a particle thought to be the Higgs, but it was only Prof Higgs who received a huge round of applause from the researchers present.

Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22250092
"Peter Higgs was treated as something of a rock star and the rest of us were barely recognised by most of the audience. It was clear that Higgs was the dominant name because of the fact his name has become associated with the boson,  :'(" Prof Hagen told BBC World News.


Fellow Brit Scientist Jordan Nash whose name is also not used is not such a winging bitch.
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22250092
"That said, the name of the 'Higgs particle' has been in common scientific use for decades.

"Names are given to predicted particles, and eventually one name sticks. This shouldn't been seen as a slight on the others who also contributed to developing this theory."

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2013, 10:53:52 AM »
He has a legitimate point though, history often chooses to remember a single person who just happens to lead a project, completely forgetting the hundreds of scientists that worked alongside that person. 

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2013, 11:01:45 AM »
Yup. But he can either except his fate with dignity or cry like a baby to the BBC. Either way, its never going to be called the Hagan particle. His biggest worry is that people don't give him as big a round of applause? What a self-absorbed douche.

I think there is obviously something very different in the British psychology to the American one. That's frightfully bad form and no Brit with any sense of decorum would publicly weep "Me! Me! I want people to love and acknowledge me! Why has this happened, I worked so hard? What about me!"



We just wouldn't do that. Stiff upper lip and all that. These colonials have absolutely no dignity. I'm surprised they even wear clothes.
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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2013, 11:14:04 AM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.
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Thork

Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 11:21:40 AM »
Having a public whinge of this nature is undignified. I wouldn't expect an American to understand. You'll get a shock when you come over here to visit. We have all kinds of manners and customs. And sucking up personal hardship is seen as a virtue. Its noble, polite and shows self restraint. Bleating publicly is derided.

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/memorable_images61.htm
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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 11:26:34 AM »
Having a public whinge of this nature is undignified. I wouldn't expect an American to understand. You'll get a shock when you come over here to visit. We have all kinds of manners and customs. And sucking up personal hardship is seen as a virtue. It's noble, polite and shows self restraint. Bleating publicly is derided.

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/memorable_images61.htm

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 11:27:34 AM »
Having a public whinge of this nature is undignified. I wouldn't expect an American to understand. You'll get a shock when you come over here to visit. We have all kinds of manners and customs. And sucking up personal hardship is seen as a virtue. It's noble, polite and shows self restraint. Bleating publicly is derided.

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/memorable_images61.htm

F--

You could also use a lesson in manners. >:(

Also why is the word noble in red?

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 11:34:30 AM »
Well, if we're going to argue from completely random anecdotes, Mick Taylor quit the Rolling Stones partially because he wasn't being credited for songs that he helped write.  Where's your stiff upper lip now, you whiny Brits?

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 11:36:16 AM »
If not getting respected for hard work is the norm, why does the UK have so many whiny workers unions?

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Thork

Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 11:41:03 AM »
Well, if we're going to argue from completely random anecdotes, Mick Taylor quit the Rolling Stones partially because he wasn't being credited for songs that he helped write.  Where's your stiff upper lip now, you whiny Brits?
Who is Mick Taylor? He's been totally forgotten, most likely because of this abhorrent act. You wouldn't see Jagger or Richards whinging like a girl.



If not getting respected for hard work is the norm, why does the UK have so many whiny workers unions?
We don't. You are thinking of the French.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 11:43:47 AM »
If not getting respected for hard work is the norm, why does the UK have so many whiny workers unions?
We don't.

Lol, okay.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 11:57:52 AM »
If not getting respected for hard work is the norm, why does the UK have so many whiny workers unions?
We don't.

Lol, okay.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/16729

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 12:05:16 PM »
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/16729

Yes, and after her death it was so clear how much the UK just loved her.  ::)

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Thork

Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 12:10:57 PM »
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/16729

Yes, and after her death it was so clear how much the UK just loved her.  ::)
George Osborne even cried at the funeral.


That's our chancellor. That's some pretty disturbing shit right there.

However next to him was John Major, a former Prime Minister. He thought it was funny.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 12:13:26 PM »

Oh and another one. Just because this guy doesn't give a shit that 2.6 million people are unemployed but balls his eyes out at an old lady's funeral.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 01:57:12 PM »
Well, if we're going to argue from completely random anecdotes, Mick Taylor quit the Rolling Stones partially because he wasn't being credited for songs that he helped write.  Where's your stiff upper lip now, you whiny Brits?
Who is Mick Taylor? He's been totally forgotten, most likely because of this abhorrent act. You wouldn't see Jagger or Richards whinging like a girl.

Neither of those points are true, but they're irrelevant.  You pointed to an American who whined and claimed it was evidence that whining is an American thing.  I pointed to a Brit who whined, providing just as much evidence as you did that whining is not an American thing.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 03:49:19 PM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.

Perhaps he is appreciated but just does not have his name on the particle?  It's hard to feel bad for this guy. He has had 40 years to lobby for this and has not done a thing until after the particle is discovered. You have to expect to fight for what's yours and he waited too long.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2013, 04:18:44 PM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.

Perhaps he is appreciated but just does not have his name on the particle?  It's hard to feel bad for this guy. He has had 40 years to lobby for this and has not done a thing until after the particle is discovered. You have to expect to fight for what's yours and he waited too long.
He's not the one to start the name change campaign.
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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2013, 04:22:07 PM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.

Perhaps he is appreciated but just does not have his name on the particle?  It's hard to feel bad for this guy. He has had 40 years to lobby for this and has not done a thing until after the particle is discovered. You have to expect to fight for what's yours and he waited too long.
He's not the one to start the name change campaign.

Whether he started it or not, if someone brings up an issue they have decades after it occurred, they are acting in bad faith. There is no compelling reason to change a name that has already taken on a life beyond Peter Higgs.
Aether is the  characteristic of action or inaction of charged  & noncharged particals.

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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2013, 04:45:09 PM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.

Perhaps he is appreciated but just does not have his name on the particle?  It's hard to feel bad for this guy. He has had 40 years to lobby for this and has not done a thing until after the particle is discovered. You have to expect to fight for what's yours and he waited too long.
He's not the one to start the name change campaign.

Whether he started it or not, if someone brings up an issue they have decades after it occurred, they are acting in bad faith. There is no compelling reason to change a name that has already taken on a life beyond Peter Higgs.
Acting in bad faith? Is he really maliciously infringing on someone's rights? No.

I don't care about this lobby. For all I know the campaign was started years ago. And it's definitely not the point. Thork's a troll. That's the point.
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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 04:52:15 PM »
I don't think wanting to be appreciated for hard work is undignified or exclusive to Americans.

Troll fail.

Perhaps he is appreciated but just does not have his name on the particle?  It's hard to feel bad for this guy. He has had 40 years to lobby for this and has not done a thing until after the particle is discovered. You have to expect to fight for what's yours and he waited too long.
He's not the one to start the name change campaign.

Whether he started it or not, if someone brings up an issue they have decades after it occurred, they are acting in bad faith. There is no compelling reason to change a name that has already taken on a life beyond Peter Higgs.
Acting in bad faith? Is he really maliciously infringing on someone's rights? No.

I don't care about this lobby. For all I know the campaign was started years ago. And it's definitely not the point. Thork's a troll. That's the point.

Agreeeeeeeed.
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Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 08:20:17 PM »
If everybody stopped calling Thork a troll, he might actually be able to get some trolling done.

Re: When Physicists get jelly
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2013, 12:57:14 PM »
Physicist being jelly?

You have no idea, academia can be a very anal environment sometimes.