Bitcoin Mining

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2013, 07:33:58 AM »
According to the site there is no pools nor software available yet but I can buy a $4,000 card to mine.  Wtf?
I know this is all clearly false so it would be nice if the site gave me info on how to mine.

That's Butterfly Labs, a bunch of scamming assholes. They put ads everywhere in an attempt to get money from people who, for some reason, don't take the time to investigate what they're actually buying.

Also, at a 12 million bitcoin circulation with a max of 21 million by 2140, I'm guessing that 1 bitcoin takes a long time to get.  Like several years working in a pool.

Like I said, it depends on what you're using. There are 25 Bitcoins released in blocks every 10 minutes. Please read the site I gave you, Bitcoin really takes a lot of reading to understand. It's the first of it's kind and as such if you try to apply what you already know, you're going to end up like Thork, who apparently already knows everything about Bitcoin even though he can't even tell me what a Bitcoin is.

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #151 on: November 30, 2013, 07:43:24 AM »
According to the site there is no pools nor software available yet but I can buy a $4,000 card to mine.  Wtf?
I know this is all clearly false so it would be nice if the site gave me info on how to mine.

That's Butterfly Labs, a bunch of scamming assholes. They put ads everywhere in an attempt to get money from people who, for some reason, don't take the time to investigate what they're actually buying.

Also, at a 12 million bitcoin circulation with a max of 21 million by 2140, I'm guessing that 1 bitcoin takes a long time to get.  Like several years working in a pool.

Like I said, it depends on what you're using. There are 25 Bitcoins released in blocks every 10 minutes. Please read the site I gave you, Bitcoin really takes a lot of reading to understand. It's the first of it's kind and as such if you try to apply what you already know, you're going to end up like Thork, who apparently already knows everything about Bitcoin even though he can't even tell me what a Bitcoin is.
I did read the site.  That's where I found no information on mining software.  It says "comming soon".  Hence my confusion.  Also, nothing about 25 bitcoin/10 minutes.  Just a limit and a "no more bitcoins will be released after 2140".

So at 25/10 min. Something doesn't make sense.
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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2013, 07:57:28 AM »
So its 25/block not per 10min. And a limit of 3,600/ day.  Makes more sense.

And now I have a better understanding of bitcoin: we're decrypting data via brute force.  Sounds like something the NSA would do.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 08:04:54 AM by Lorddave »
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2013, 08:17:33 AM »
So its 25/block not per 10min. And a limit of 3,600/ day.  Makes more sense.

It is on average per 10 minutes, for god sakes I asked you not to be like Thork. This is the last time I'm going to ask you to read about Bitcoin or at least ask questions. The block reward halves every # of blocks (I honestly forgot how many). Soon the block reward will be 12.5 bitcoins.

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Lorddave

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #154 on: November 30, 2013, 08:29:30 AM »
So its 25/block not per 10min. And a limit of 3,600/ day.  Makes more sense.

It is on average per 10 minutes, for god sakes I asked you not to be like Thork. This is the last time I'm going to ask you to read about Bitcoin or at least ask questions. The block reward halves every # of blocks (I honestly forgot how many). Soon the block reward will be 12.5 bitcoins.
Well you didn't say average nor per block.  You just said
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There are 25 Bitcoins released in blocks every 10 minutes.
Which lead me to believe that 25 bitcoin were being mined every 10 minutes at a constant rate.  Which is not accurate, based on the reading you ask that I do. 

Anyway, I'll poke at it on my system but I feel like it has a more sinister purpose even though I have no evidence to back it up.

What is a data block once its decrypted?  Anything interesting or just random bits?
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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2013, 08:50:42 AM »
This is a pretty good primer on buttcoins.  I guess.  I dunno much about them, so maybe it's awful.  But I think it answers some of the questions going around in this thread.

http://www.economist.com/news/technology-quarterly/21590766-virtual-currency-it-mathematically-elegant-increasingly-popular-and-highly

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The Bitcoin system offers a reward to volunteer users, known as “miners”, who bundle up new transactions into blocks and add them on to the end of the chain. The reward is currently 25 Bitcoins (about $15,000 at this writing). Miners pull active transactions waiting to be recorded from the peer-to-peer network and perform the complex calculations to create the new block, building on the cryptographic foundation of the previous block. Comparison of the results produced by different miners provides independent verification. About every 10 minutes, one lucky miner who has generated the next block is granted the 25-Bitcoin reward, and the new block is appended to the chain. The process then starts again.

The Bitcoin system is designed to cope with the fact that improvements in computer hardware make it cheaper and faster to perform the mathematical operations, known as hashes, involved in mining. Every 2,016 blocks, or roughly every two weeks, the system calculates how long it would take for blocks to be created at precisely 10-minute intervals, and resets a difficulty factor in the calculation accordingly. As equipment gets faster, in short, mining gets harder.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 08:52:18 AM by garygreen »
Also, the people on your websites are specifically framing their claims, not to learn the truth of the matter, but because they want to "debunk" Apollo Hoax claims --

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #156 on: November 30, 2013, 08:58:53 AM »
Thank you.  That explains why rushy said what he said: the system calibrates itself so that 1 block is released roughly every 10 minutes.
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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #157 on: November 30, 2013, 12:07:38 PM »
How fast do you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #158 on: November 30, 2013, 12:44:02 PM »
How fast do you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?

Seeing as how I stopped mining a long time ago, it takes a non-defined amount of time for me to mine any amount of Bitcoin. .

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« Reply #159 on: November 30, 2013, 01:36:18 PM »
How fast did you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #160 on: November 30, 2013, 02:52:42 PM »
How fast did you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?

~0.1 a day.

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Thork

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #161 on: November 30, 2013, 02:59:41 PM »
How fast did you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?

~0.1 a day.
Are you saying you mine a $1200 bitcoin every 10 days or so?


Quote from: http://www.bitcoinanswers.co.uk/q/answers-how-long-does-it-usually-take-to-mine-a-bitcoin-block-13161.html
For solo mining with a single GTX 680, which will produce 120 Mhashes/s, you would expect to find one block approximately every 98 years.
And my understanding is that you have to mine in blocks of 50.

I think you should offer some extra explanation as opposed to letting people assume you make $100 a day from mining ... which you don't.
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #162 on: November 30, 2013, 03:04:43 PM »
Are you saying you mine a $1200 bitcoin every 10 days or so?

Yes. I still have most of them, too. That was months ago, though, I don't mine anymore, as mining is too difficult for GPUs to make any money. Regardless, my brief ventures into Bitcoin have left me quite... fortunate.

Difficulty goes up over time, Thork. You used to be able to mine hundreds of Bitcoins using a Pentium 4.

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #163 on: November 30, 2013, 03:05:15 PM »
How fast did you mine Bitcoins, Rushy?

~0.1 a day.

Damn. I'm guessing they weren't worth as much at the time, though, were they?
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #164 on: November 30, 2013, 03:07:28 PM »
Damn. I'm guessing they weren't worth as much at the time, though, were they?

Nope. It's not like I sold them or anything. I've spent a few on materials, but I've have yet to actually sell any and withdraw USD. For all I know, Thork is right, I've been scammed oh noes.

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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #165 on: November 30, 2013, 03:36:53 PM »

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Genius

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #166 on: November 30, 2013, 04:52:42 PM »
Rushy is very wealthy.
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #167 on: November 30, 2013, 05:00:21 PM »
I'm going for more of a mildly rich.

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #168 on: November 30, 2013, 05:10:32 PM »
I used to have a few bitcoins back when they went for single-digit amounts of USD/BTC. I sold them at a small profit. You cannot imagine how butthurt I am.
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Rushy

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #169 on: November 30, 2013, 05:21:05 PM »
I used to have a few bitcoins back when they went for single-digit amounts of USD/BTC. I sold them at a small profit. You cannot imagine how butthurt I am.

Hindsight is 20/20 and you made at least some money on it, so regardless it's not like you lost money. One guy in Wales found out the hard drive he threw away months ago is now worth $7.5 million and tried (he may still be...)  searching through a landfill. So, shit could be worse.

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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #170 on: November 30, 2013, 05:23:50 PM »
I used to have a few bitcoins back when they went for single-digit amounts of USD/BTC. I sold them at a small profit. You cannot imagine how butthurt I am.

Hindsight is 20/20 and you made at least some money on it, so regardless it's not like you lost money. One guy in Wales found out the hard drive he threw away months ago is now worth $7.5 million and tried (he may still be...)  searching through a landfill. So, shit could be worse.

Man, he'd be more butthurt than Thork after a night with one of his "female" dates.
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Re: Bitcoin Mining
« Reply #171 on: November 30, 2013, 06:35:44 PM »
money ain't grow on trees, son