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Why do they need to recreate high altitude scenes of the earth from scratch when they can just use a wide angle or fish-eye lens to turn a flat plane into a curved horizon?

Why do they need to recreate high altitude scenes of the earth from scratch when they can just use a wide angle or fish-eye lens to turn a flat plane into a curved horizon?

They don't use fish-eye lenses to create curvature effects. You already know this is the case Tom, you're just being facetious. Take this photo for instance:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/09/iss_sts119_big.jpeg

The radius of curvature of the earth is significant, whereas the curvature of the ostensibly straight components of the ISS are not. This cannot be the result of fish-eye lenses because if it were the ISS would have to be curved deliberately to compensate for the optical curvature of the lens at that specific angle. If that were the case, we would only have ISS photos from a single angle, or there would have to be copies of the ISS for every photo taken.

I hope you can see that the only logical recourse for you at this point is to claim that these photos are modified. That's fine, but this fish-eye claim is illogical and I think you know it.

The radius of curvature of the earth is significant, whereas the curvature of the ostensibly straight components of the ISS are not.

Layering.

Quote from: jason_85 on April 22, 2013, 05:51:43 PM

The radius of curvature of the earth is significant, whereas the curvature of the ostensibly straight components of the ISS are not.

Layering.

When you posted that I thought about chuckling for a second. Then I felt sad for you. Not to mock you but genuinely sad. You don't have to keep doing this Tom.

yes sceptic your usual rhetoric and opinion. we have heard it all before. yawn! get back to use when you have some evidence or actually made 1st hand observations.

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 23, 2013, 09:59:39 AM

yes sceptic your usual rhetoric and opinion. we have heard it all before. yawn! get back to use when you have some evidence or actually made 1st hand observations.

I don;t need to get back to you or your likes Thaggy. If I have something to say, I'll say it, whether you like it or not.

That's fine if you have something to say, but the problem is that you usually don't have anything to say and you say it anyway.

Quote from: sceptimatic on April 23, 2013, 10:01:47 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on April 23, 2013, 09:59:39 AM

yes sceptic your usual rhetoric and opinion. we have heard it all before. yawn! get back to use when you have some evidence or actually made 1st hand observations.

I don;t need to get back to you or your likes Thaggy. If I have something to say, I'll say it, whether you like it or not.

That's fine if you have something to say, but the problem is that you usually don't have anything to say and you say it anyway.

Markjo, can you keep the personal attacks to a minimum and make some effort to stay on topic?

Thank you.

Quote from: jason_85 on April 22, 2013, 05:51:43 PM

The radius of curvature of the earth is significant, whereas the curvature of the ostensibly straight components of the ISS are not.

Layering.

You could have just read the next paragraph in my post and then said, "I agree" instead of making it sound like you're providing a counter-argument, that way we could have left this on a nicer note, especially in light of that lovely post by MikeP.

Goodness, this post is naive.  Millions of Russians believed that Communism was correct and that the West wanted to annihilate them.  Millions of Americans believe that Israel should invade Palestine.  There is no conspiracy, people have been brainwashed.  I have flown all over the world and know that the results show that the earth is flat.  Others would have flown around the world and continued with their delusion that the earth is globular.  Big deal.  When people appear to be in a conspiracy or evil, it is more likely that they are complacent and incompetent. 

Goodness, this post is naive.  Millions of Russians believed that Communism was correct and that the West wanted to annihilate them.  Millions of Americans believe that Israel should invade Palestine.  There is no conspiracy, people have been brainwashed.  I have flown all over the world and know that the results show that the earth is flat.  Others would have flown around the world and continued with their delusion that the earth is globular.  Big deal.  When people appear to be in a conspiracy or evil, it is more likely that they are complacent and incompetent.

I have flown all over the world and sailed it as well. It's a globe and you are lying to yourself.

Goodness, this post is naive.  Millions of Russians believed that Communism was correct and that the West wanted to annihilate them.  Millions of Americans believe that Israel should invade Palestine.  There is no conspiracy, people have been brainwashed.  I have flown all over the world and know that the results show that the earth is flat.  Others would have flown around the world and continued with their delusion that the earth is globular.  Big deal.  When people appear to be in a conspiracy or evil, it is more likely that they are complacent and incompetent.

You really like your communism analogy. Too bad the information about the planet is not exclusively controlled by the government because then it would be an analogous situation.

That's actually a good point against FET.

During the cold war, URSS was launching stuff into space too (you know, race for the moon, ...).

The US beat them at going upper, so why the URSS did not discredited the US by saying that space travel is impossible because earth is flat ?

Quote from: Ze_PilOt on May 02, 2013, 09:32:31 AM

That's actually a good point against FET.

During the cold war, URSS was launching stuff into space too (you know, race for the moon, ...).

The US beat them at going upper, so why the URSS did not discredited the US by saying that space travel is impossible because earth is flat ?

Because they are in cahoots.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggghht.

There is no explanation for anything other than the one that supports a flat earth. Cause that's the only thing we know for sure.

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

No, don't say the way it most likely went is yada yada yada. You have no basis for making that. You have no reason to think we didn't go to space.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 02, 2013, 12:19:58 PM

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

No, don't say the way it most likely went is yada yada yada. You have no basis for making that. You have no reason to think we didn't go to space.

I absolutely do.  The earth is flat, so if space agencies show us a round earth, they're lying about something.

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

Nope.  That doesn't sound any less silly when you say it than when Tom says it.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 02, 2013, 12:19:58 PM

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

Nope.  That doesn't sound any less silly when you say it than when Tom says it.

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the discussion.

Quote from: markjo on May 02, 2013, 12:41:57 PM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 02, 2013, 12:19:58 PM

I doubt if any of the conspirators know that the Earth is flat.  The way it most likely went is that they tried to get into space, failed, and eventually decided to just pretend that they succeeded, and faked evidence that would be consistent with what they expected to see.

Nope.  That doesn't sound any less silly when you say it than when Tom says it.

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the discussion.

Well you can't just say something stupid and then not expect people to respond. It's not like you gave him much to go on... I think he did pretty well given the circumstances.

Of course I expected a reply, but posting "That's silly," is not helpful.  If it's so silly, then point out what's wrong with it.

Of course I expected a reply, but posting "That's silly," is not helpful.  If it's so silly, then point out what's wrong with it.

The notion that nations would spend countless amounts of time, effort and money trying to get into orbit and never figure out that it was the shape of the earth holding them back all along seems quite silly to me.  It sounds silly when Tom suggests it and it sounds just as silly when you suggest it.

Quote from: APenNameAndThatA on May 02, 2013, 02:20:02 AM

Goodness, this post is naive.  Millions of Russians believed that Communism was correct and that the West wanted to annihilate them.  Millions of Americans believe that Israel should invade Palestine.  There is no conspiracy, people have been brainwashed.  I have flown all over the world and know that the results show that the earth is flat.  Others would have flown around the world and continued with their delusion that the earth is globular.  Big deal.  When people appear to be in a conspiracy or evil, it is more likely that they are complacent and incompetent.

I have flown all over the world and sailed it as well. It's a globe and you are lying to yourself.

You must provide a better argument.   Attacking me does not prove that you are right.  It proves that you have no valid argument.   

Quote from: APenNameAndThatA on May 02, 2013, 02:20:02 AM

Goodness, this post is naive.  Millions of Russians believed that Communism was correct and that the West wanted to annihilate them.  Millions of Americans believe that Israel should invade Palestine.  There is no conspiracy, people have been brainwashed.  I have flown all over the world and know that the results show that the earth is flat.  Others would have flown around the world and continued with their delusion that the earth is globular.  Big deal.  When people appear to be in a conspiracy or evil, it is more likely that they are complacent and incompetent.

You really like your communism analogy. Too bad the information about the planet is not exclusively controlled by the government because then it would be an analogous situation.

Your post illustrates a problem that many of the globular set have.  On the one hand, you claim to be scientific and evidence based.  On the other hand, you make silly claims about knowing the mental state of someone you have never met.  This undermines any credibility that people on this forum might have thought that you had.  If you post anything in the future, from my point of view, you will need to provide references for primary sources, please. 

That's actually a good point against FET.

During the cold war, URSS was launching stuff into space too (you know, race for the moon, ...).

The US beat them at going upper, so why the URSS did not discredited the US by saying that space travel is impossible because earth is flat ?

Even the globulars of this site know that the Russian people were globular before the USSR came into being.  Convincing the people the true shape of the disc was going to be a hard sell.  Much better and CHEAPER to go along with the charade.  The charade suited BOTH the USSR and the US.  This is such an obvious point, I feel embarrassed for you. 

Back to the OP at hand

People who take pictures of the ISS with their telescopes and cameras.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce with lasers using the reflectors put up there by the Apollo missions.

Back to the OP at hand

People who take pictures of the ISS with their telescopes and cameras.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce with lasers using the reflectors put up there by the Apollo missions.

They are mistakenly interpreting a feature of FET as a feature of RET.

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on July 15, 2013, 09:14:07 PM

Back to the OP at hand

People who take pictures of the ISS with their telescopes and cameras.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce.
Astronomers who perform the moon-bounce with lasers using the reflectors put up there by the Apollo missions.

They are mistakenly interpreting a feature of FET as a feature of RET.

Who are doing what? Do you mean everyday blokes able to take photographs of the ISS through their telescopes are seeing something that's not the ISS but looks exactly like the ISS?

Or are you saying that astronomers found a tiny patch of moon that perfectly reflects their lasers back to them?