I really wish people like sceptimatic held their own theories to the same rigorous standard of proof as they do for anything that contradicts them. sceptimatic, I'm really sorry about this, but I'm formally charging you with intellectual high-treason; not because you think the earth is flat, but because you possess a particularly painful double standard for evidence. A few papers on the wiki stating the earth to be flat? Yep, it's flat! Innumerable examples of problems with your theory and pieces of evidence of a better theory, including many shown in thread? Nope, it's flat.