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Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?

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mosFET

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Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« on: March 17, 2013, 02:58:59 AM »
If you look at the picture of this sunset, then you will notice that the bottom part of the Sun has disappeared. However, in the image below you can see the whole Earth and how the Sun moves. Can you explain this sunset using the image of the flat Earth? The Sun is moving on top of the flat disc, which means it can never get BELOW the disc.


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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 09:36:04 AM »
The answer to your question regarding the impossible orientation of the sun is magic bendy light. The light just magically bends to make it look like the earth is round. It's much better than the preposterous claim of a rotating globe that actually answers questions like these....
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 10:09:22 AM »
Quote from: Dog on March 17, 2013, 09:36:04 AM
The light just magically bends
Also bending in a way that the rate varies from the inside to the outside of the curve so that it still appears round, yet also showing no signs of wavelength difference since the light of the inside of the curve would be traveling a shorter distance than the light of the outside of the curve.
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 05:43:20 AM »
Quote from: Dog on March 17, 2013, 09:36:04 AM
The answer to your question regarding the impossible orientation of the sun is magic bendy light. The light just magically bends to make it look like the earth is round. It's much better than the preposterous claim of a rotating globe that actually answers questions like these....
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thats hilarious.
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 08:09:21 AM »
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 09:21:19 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 08:09:21 AM
It's not impossible. It's a perspective effect.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Setting_of_the_Sun

No, its not. Perspective effect would make the sun get much smaller, and then maybe disappear.
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 12:03:58 PM »
Come on, now. The link to this was in the article I gave you.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset
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Rama Set

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 02:02:30 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 12:03:58 PM
Come on, now. The link to this was in the article I gave you.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

"Catching on to the atmosphere"?  What does that even mean?  Can someone please tell me where this notion came from?  I have found nothing about the sun being magnified at the horizon by the atmosphere, only diffracted.  There are discussions about the moon's apparent magnification at the horizon which is widely attributed to the Ponzo effect.  Some help please.
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29silhouette

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 08:26:28 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 08:09:21 AM
It's not impossible. It's a perspective effect.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Setting_of_the_Sun
I have yet to see headlights magnified either. 
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 08:46:28 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on March 18, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
Some help please.
Have you tried ENaG, as referenced in the articles?

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 18, 2013, 08:26:28 PM
I have yet to see headlights magnified either. 
If the pictures don't convince you, I'm afraid all I can do is ask you to go out and observe cars.
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Rama Set

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 08:55:12 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Rama Set on March 18, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
Some help please.
Have you tried ENaG, as referenced in the articles?

Quote from: 29silhouette on March 18, 2013, 08:26:28 PM
I have yet to see headlights magnified either. 
If the pictures don't convince you, I'm afraid all I can do is ask you to go out and observe cars.

I did and frankly the articles are not very convincing.  The whole notion that the hull disappears below the horizon because it is a detail of the object and details disappear before the whole is preposterous.  What happens is details disappear, but the outline is still visible, otherwise the masthead would disappear.  It is clear that the bottom third of the sun in the picture is not disappearing because of lack of angular resolution as is the case when something disappears in to the background.  When the sun sets, you can zoom in with a camera or telescope and still see that the bottom part is disappearing behind the horizon. 
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29silhouette

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 09:08:22 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: 29silhouette on March 18, 2013, 08:26:28 PM
I have yet to see headlights magnified either. 
If the pictures don't convince you, I'm afraid all I can do is ask you to go out and observe cars.
I have. 

The oncoming headlights are always small while distant, and grow increasingly larger as the distance decreases.  You and Mr Bishop should try actually observing cars at night yourselves.

In the picture in that link, the headlights of the cars closer to the camera are angled away, and therefore don't appear as bright.  The headlights of the more distant cars are pointed more directly at the camera, appearing brighter, and thus appear larger to the low-resolution digital traffic cam.
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 18, 2013, 12:03:58 PM
Come on, now. The link to this was in the article I gave you.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

Why not use a clear and less foggy picture like this one? The fog disperses the light.

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 06:45:50 AM »
Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
Why not use a clear and less foggy picture like this one?
Because then the effect would be hardly noticeable and very difficult to explain. It's like trying to show someone that time dilation occurs by having them drive a car at 100km/h.

Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
The fog disperses the light.
Yes, with short distances, the fog definitely helps as a means of visualisation. Our atmosphere isn't entirely transparent, which is why the same effect occurs with the very much distant sun's light going through a whole lot of atmosphere.
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Rama Set

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 07:02:08 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 19, 2013, 06:45:50 AM
Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
Why not use a clear and less foggy picture like this one?
Because then the effect would be hardly noticeable and very difficult to explain. It's like trying to show someone that time dilation occurs by having them drive a car at 100km/h.

Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
The fog disperses the light.
Yes, with short distances, the fog definitely helps as a means of visualisation. Our atmosphere isn't entirely transparent, which is why the same effect occurs with the very much distant sun's light going through a whole lot of atmosphere.

Why is there nothing written about this anywhere else?
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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 08:04:43 AM »
Quote from: Rama Set on March 19, 2013, 07:02:08 AM
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 19, 2013, 06:45:50 AM
Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
Why not use a clear and less foggy picture like this one?
Because then the effect would be hardly noticeable and very difficult to explain. It's like trying to show someone that time dilation occurs by having them drive a car at 100km/h.

Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
The fog disperses the light.
Yes, with short distances, the fog definitely helps as a means of visualisation. Our atmosphere isn't entirely transparent, which is why the same effect occurs with the very much distant sun's light going through a whole lot of atmosphere.

Why is there nothing written about this anywhere else?

This is quite regularly cited as the answer to the OP's question.
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Rama Set

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 08:11:08 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on March 19, 2013, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: Rama Set on March 19, 2013, 07:02:08 AM
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on March 19, 2013, 06:45:50 AM
Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
Why not use a clear and less foggy picture like this one?
Because then the effect would be hardly noticeable and very difficult to explain. It's like trying to show someone that time dilation occurs by having them drive a car at 100km/h.

Quote from: mosFET on March 18, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
The fog disperses the light.
Yes, with short distances, the fog definitely helps as a means of visualisation. Our atmosphere isn't entirely transparent, which is why the same effect occurs with the very much distant sun's light going through a whole lot of atmosphere.

Why is there nothing written about this anywhere else?

This is quite regularly cited as the answer to the OP's question.

I mean outside of this site.  I am looking for some independent verification of this effect.  You might think that such a common phenomena would be documented.  To be clear, I am not saying this phenomena categorically does not exist, but I do want to see a little more detail on it if possible.
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29silhouette

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Re: Why is the sunset in this picture impossible?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 08:07:05 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on March 19, 2013, 08:11:08 AM
I mean outside of this site.  I am looking for some independent verification of this effect.  You might think that such a common phenomena would be documented.
And maybe a photo of the actual effect instead of the farther 'enlarged' headlights pointing at the camera and the nearer normal headlights pointing elsewhere.
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