How "satellites" works.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2013, 09:52:45 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name

so all these people are lying and the thousands of people that helped them get into space (allegedly?)
How does a person walk into a large room to be greeted by the biggest party he/she has ever seen, planned over months and yet didn't know a thing about it?
What is required for that to run smoothly?

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2013, 09:54:12 AM »
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

I've already told you about thrust-weight ratio...
Thrust to weight ratio is fine on smaller missiles. It's fantasy on massive rockets and shuttles.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2013, 09:56:09 AM »
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

I've already told you about thrust-weight ratio...
Thrust to weight ratio is fine on smaller missiles. It's fantasy on massive rockets and shuttles.

And how is that? You say you're logical, but why do you come up with these ridiculous statements?
Why use evidence
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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2013, 09:56:53 AM »
Oh, ok. You discard what you have been spoon fed and let's start again from scratch. Is that ok ?

Did you know that many of the basic principles of "spoon fed physics" are demonstrated and recreated as lab exercises in physics courses?
You mean like space physics and Nuclear Suns etc?







why wouldnt physics work in space?
I'm not saying they wouldn't work. I'm saying that nobody has been in space to find out what physics works, it's all theory chosen as fact.



what mysterious force keeps rockets from reaching space?
The main one is simple and anything after that doesn't matter really...and that is, we don't have the capabilities to launch a rocket big enough to reach space for starters. We can't get into space by burning it's arse end.


how do you know this for sure? I would love to hear.
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

You clearly don't understand how thrust works then, or how long it actually took to get those rockets off the ground. Scientists didn't suddenly pull a rocket out of their ass that could pass through our atmosphere and into outer space. There were years of testing and years of failure. And before that they were testing jets to attempt to break the sound barrier; many lives were lost in the process. It wasn't an overnight thing. I advise you to check out the movie The Right Stuff: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086197/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2013, 09:57:30 AM »
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

I've already told you about thrust-weight ratio...
Thrust to weight ratio is fine on smaller missiles. It's fantasy on massive rockets and shuttles.

And how is that? You say you're logical, but why do you come up with these ridiculous statements?
Are they ridiculous though?

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2013, 09:57:37 AM »
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

I've already told you about thrust-weight ratio...
Thrust to weight ratio is fine on smaller missiles. It's fantasy on massive rockets and shuttles.

How is it a fantasy? Thrust-weight ratio works no matter the size of the object. If the thrust is greater than the weight then the object will move; if not, then it won't. If you can explain to me why it only applies to small objects but not large ones then enlighten me, oh "wise" one.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2013, 09:59:59 AM »
The proof is in the launches and the surrounding area of those launches.
Those Saturn V's would be still sitting there if they were as big and heavy as we were told.
Same as the shuttle and every other space rocket.

I've already told you about thrust-weight ratio...
Thrust to weight ratio is fine on smaller missiles. It's fantasy on massive rockets and shuttles.

How is it a fantasy? Thrust-weight ratio works no matter the size of the object. If the thrust is greater than the weight then the object will move; if not, then it won't. If you can explain to me why it only applies to small objects but not large ones then enlighten me, oh "wise" one.
Go and take a look at all of the lift off's of all space rockets and pay attention to the footage.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2013, 10:00:40 AM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
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And what is ridiculous? Math?
Why use evidence
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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2013, 10:03:31 AM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
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And what is ridiculous? Math?
The so called engines and fuel.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2013, 10:04:41 AM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
...

And what is ridiculous? Math?
The so called engines and fuel.

Oh great, you don't believe in engines and fuel now...
Why use evidence
Ok

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2013, 10:14:15 AM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
...

And what is ridiculous? Math?
The so called engines and fuel.

Oh great, you don't believe in engines and fuel now...
Of course I believe in engines and fuel.
What I don't believe in, is engines and fuel being able to lift those monstrous looking heaps of junk off a launch pad.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2013, 10:30:33 AM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2013, 10:40:10 AM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
...

And what is ridiculous? Math?
The so called engines and fuel.

Oh great, you don't believe in engines and fuel now...
Of course I believe in engines and fuel.
What I don't believe in, is engines and fuel being able to lift those monstrous looking heaps of junk off a launch pad.

I already explained how I already explained thrust-weight ratio to you.
Why use evidence
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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2013, 12:01:53 PM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Nothing. But then again I was replying to this, from you.

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Alcator C-Mod is a tokamak, a magnetically confined nuclear fusion device, at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center. It is the tokamak with the highest magnetic field and highest plasma pressure in the world. It is one of the major fusion research facilities in the United States, together with DIII-D at General Atomics and NSTX at Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2013, 12:49:44 PM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Nothing. But then again I was replying to this, from you.

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Alcator C-Mod is a tokamak, a magnetically confined nuclear fusion device, at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center. It is the tokamak with the highest magnetic field and highest plasma pressure in the world. It is one of the major fusion research facilities in the United States, together with DIII-D at General Atomics and NSTX at Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory.

That's because you didn't believe that nuclear fusion (the process that is believed to power the sun) isn't studied in schools.  I just pointed out that it is.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #75 on: February 08, 2013, 12:52:14 PM »
Yes, I agree, there's much testing needs to be done for everything. Space stuff is an exception to this rule.
There were years of testing and years of failure.
...

And what is ridiculous? Math?
The so called engines and fuel.

Oh great, you don't believe in engines and fuel now...
Of course I believe in engines and fuel.
What I don't believe in, is engines and fuel being able to lift those monstrous looking heaps of junk off a launch pad.

Back in high school I took an Aerospace Science class, and in this class we had to built rockets out of pop bottles. These rockets would be filled a little more than halfway with water, and then placed on a stand with clamps around the neck of the bottle. Attached to the stand was an air pump that would fill the remaining space in the rocket with pressurized air. Our teacher then pulled a cord that released the clamps and allowed the pressurized air to escape by forcing out the water, and they were capable of traveling hundreds of feet. What I'm getting at here is what's to stop someone from building a larger rocket and changing the fuel to something far more efficient and powerful? What's to stop someone from mathematically determining how much thrust is needed to push the rocket into space? You have to realize that the rocket becomes significantly lighter mere seconds after launch. The Saturn V rocket had a wet weight of 6.5 million lbs, more than 90% of which was rocket fuel. It can be assumed that the weight would plummet significantly as it approached space, thus making it easier and easier to move.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2013, 12:53:54 PM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Nothing. But then again I was replying to this, from you.

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Alcator C-Mod is a tokamak, a magnetically confined nuclear fusion device, at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center. It is the tokamak with the highest magnetic field and highest plasma pressure in the world. It is one of the major fusion research facilities in the United States, together with DIII-D at General Atomics and NSTX at Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory.

That's because you didn't believe that nuclear fusion (the process that is believed to power the sun) isn't studied in schools.  I just pointed out that it is.
When did I say that?

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2013, 01:09:32 PM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Nothing. But then again I was replying to this, from you.

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Alcator C-Mod is a tokamak, a magnetically confined nuclear fusion device, at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center. It is the tokamak with the highest magnetic field and highest plasma pressure in the world. It is one of the major fusion research facilities in the United States, together with DIII-D at General Atomics and NSTX at Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory.

That's because you didn't believe that nuclear fusion (the process that is believed to power the sun) isn't studied in schools.  I just pointed out that it is.
When did I say that?
Right here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57520.msg1449705.html#msg1449705
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2013, 01:14:36 PM »
My issue is with Nuclear atoms and neutrons Marko.
What do nuclear atoms and neutrons have to do with how satellites work?
Nothing. But then again I was replying to this, from you.

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Alcator C-Mod is a tokamak, a magnetically confined nuclear fusion device, at the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center. It is the tokamak with the highest magnetic field and highest plasma pressure in the world. It is one of the major fusion research facilities in the United States, together with DIII-D at General Atomics and NSTX at Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory.

That's because you didn't believe that nuclear fusion (the process that is believed to power the sun) isn't studied in schools.  I just pointed out that it is.
When did I say that?
Right here: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57520.msg1449705.html#msg1449705
Nope.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2013, 03:36:39 PM »
You do realize thousands upon thousands of people have watched rocket and shuttle launches right? Like in person. And it leaves the launch pad......

And if you decide to change your argument to 'well...... ummmm....... well, they can't reach space...", you can clearly see the rockets they launch are HAULING towards space with massive thrust, and people watch it go up for miles and miles, so what would stop them? The magical flat-earth-barrier? I thought WE were the ones that believed in magic? They just keep on trucking through the upper atmosphere once out of sight and reach space in no time...

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2013, 04:11:39 PM »
You do realize thousands upon thousands of people have watched rocket and shuttle launches right? Like in person. And it leaves the launch pad......

And if you decide to change your argument to 'well...... ummmm....... well, they can't reach space...", you can clearly see the rockets they launch are HAULING towards space with massive thrust, and people watch it go up for miles and miles, so what would stop them? The magical flat-earth-barrier? I thought WE were the ones that believed in magic? They just keep on trucking through the upper atmosphere once out of sight and reach space in no time...

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Get out of your chair and look outside. Look how far 3 miles is and tell me what you see.

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« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2013, 11:03:09 PM »
You do realize thousands upon thousands of people have watched rocket and shuttle launches right? Like in person. And it leaves the launch pad......

And if you decide to change your argument to 'well...... ummmm....... well, they can't reach space...", you can clearly see the rockets they launch are HAULING towards space with massive thrust, and people watch it go up for miles and miles, so what would stop them? The magical flat-earth-barrier? I thought WE were the ones that believed in magic? They just keep on trucking through the upper atmosphere once out of sight and reach space in no time...

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Get out of your chair and look outside. Look how far 3 miles is and tell me what you see.

Did it. All I saw were trees and houses. I live in suburbia.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2013, 02:59:07 AM »
You do realize thousands upon thousands of people have watched rocket and shuttle launches right? Like in person. And it leaves the launch pad......

And if you decide to change your argument to 'well...... ummmm....... well, they can't reach space...", you can clearly see the rockets they launch are HAULING towards space with massive thrust, and people watch it go up for miles and miles, so what would stop them? The magical flat-earth-barrier? I thought WE were the ones that believed in magic? They just keep on trucking through the upper atmosphere once out of sight and reach space in no time...

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Get out of your chair and look outside. Look how far 3 miles is and tell me what you see.

Did it. All I saw were trees and houses. I live in suburbia.
Now imagine a rocket going into the air miles away from your standing point.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2013, 03:29:56 AM »
You would see it easily becuses it rises above all the clutter on the horizon just like airplanes. What point are you trying to make? Because its hiding amongst a whole lot of crazy at the moment

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2013, 03:34:27 AM »
You would see it easily becuses it rises above all the clutter on the horizon just like airplanes. What point are you trying to make? Because its hiding amongst a whole lot of crazy at the moment
I'm saying, that from distances, people can easily believe something to be huge, if they are told that's what it is. It's just a persons perspective over distance.
A ballistic missile could be launched from a distance and passed off as a space rocket launch and people will just accept it for what it is.
It's possible right?

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2013, 03:40:18 AM »
No. Watch a small rocket launch and the watch a large rocket launch. You can immediately tell the diference. Remember how one of the 1st things people say after wathcing a launch is the noise. It so loud you can feel it in you chest even from miles away. This can not be the case for a small rocket. And also for your theory to be true then tens of thousands of people must be in on it to pull it off. The larger a conspiricy the less Lickly it is to stay quiet.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2013, 03:57:52 AM »
No. Watch a small rocket launch and the watch a large rocket launch. You can immediately tell the diference. Remember how one of the 1st things people say after wathcing a launch is the noise. It so loud you can feel it in you chest even from miles away. This can not be the case for a small rocket. And also for your theory to be true then tens of thousands of people must be in on it to pull it off. The larger a conspiricy the less Lickly it is to stay quiet.
10's of thousands of people don't have to be in on it.
As for feeling a rocket launch in your chest. When did you experience this and where?

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2013, 04:02:17 AM »
I never have but just watch what people say when describing rocket launches.

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Re: How "satellites" works.
« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2013, 04:18:23 AM »
I never have but just watch what people say when describing rocket launches.
Watch what people say?

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