What is the cause of day/night change (on flat Earth)?

What is the cause of day/night change (on flat Earth)?

The sun circles around the North Pole.  The median of its path is what you know as the equator, but it is usually closer or further from that line to the pole.  When the sun is above you, it's day.  When it's not, it's night.

Is this supposed to mean the Sun is not an omnidirectional source of light?

It is known that if you are looking for a set of results, you'll inevitably find what you were looking for.  Its always in the last place you look too.

This leads lots to take things on assumption rather than faith.  Faith and reason are inseperable, and ignoring this causes one to miss the big picture, and the small picture.   Look at math - a set of 'truths' with no relation to reality.  What else is this like?  Science?  Religion?  How far can we push the envelope.

What time is it?

Look for other models that explain similar behavior, extrapolate that to all models, then realize the silliness of such questions.  When you ask a question, you give power to those answering it.  Theres no free lunch.

I do not find an answer to my question in your message.
Could you please try again?

Is the Sun a sort of a spotlight (a source emitting a narrow cone of light)?
(The expected answer is either "Yes" or "No")

Yes and No.  The expected answer is never right.  Both models exist.

I am not asking about any other model but the "Flat Earth" one: what sort of the light source is the Sun in the FA?
It can either be an omnidirectional or "unidirectional, narrow cone".
Which fits FA best?

to extrapolate on the Original Posters question, why is it that the Round Earth model better explains what places are lit up by the sun? If the earth was a disk, the sun would light up a circular area under it, and spreading away from it, like that pattern you see when you shine a flashlight straight at the ground or the ceiling. However, using modern technology, like internet, and telephones, it has been proven that the pattern is NOT circular like this:




But sort of like this:



Any explanations?

...If the earth was a disk, the sun would light up a circular area under it, and spreading away from it, like that pattern you see when you shine a flashlight straight at the ground or the ceiling...

Correction: only if the Sun was a spotlight-like source - then a Flat Earth would be partially lit. An omnidirectional source will light the whole plane (with very little variation of intensity).

So, which conclusion should I come to? Is the Sun a "spotlight" in the Flat Earth model? Yes/No.

Quote from: darknavyseal on January 23, 2013, 10:15:51 AM

...If the earth was a disk, the sun would light up a circular area under it, and spreading away from it, like that pattern you see when you shine a flashlight straight at the ground or the ceiling...

Correction: only if the Sun was a spotlight-like source - then a Flat Earth would be partially lit. An omnidirectional source will light the whole plane (with very little variation of intensity).

So, which conclusion should I come to? Is the Sun a "spotlight" in the Flat Earth model? Yes/No.

It is my understanding, as well as my opinion, that most flat-earthers believe that the sun's light does not shine omnidirectionaly as the sun round-earther's believe works.  We use the term "spotlight" as it facilitates understanding of the concept, but just as physicists who theorize about wormholes don't actually think there are worms burrowing through space/time, we use the term spotlight to get the general meaning across.  The true shape of the sun's spotlight is most likely not completely circular.

As with any idea, you can look at its dressing and cover, or you can look at its content critically.  This question concerns the dressing.

Here we are!

It is my understanding, as well as my opinion, that most flat-earthers believe that the sun's light does not shine omnidirectionaly as the sun round-earther's believe works...

Does this mean that planets are self-luminous then?

..The true shape of the sun's spotlight is most likely not completely circular.

Apparently it has to be of a rather peculiar shape indeed.
Otherwise a flat-earther will have hard time explaining the fact of Antarctica being evenly lit during the November-December-January period...

Could you elaborate on this issue?

Does this mean that planets are self-luminous then?

I haven't spent much time reading about ofter planets, but the moon does appear to be self-luminous.

Apparently it has to be of a rather peculiar shape indeed.

Yes, very peculiar indeed.

Being spherical and very close to the Earth, 3200 miles, it should have no problem lighting 1/2 of the known world.
Spotlight is a very misleading term for the sun. Yes, it may act like a wide circle of light upon the Earth, but spotlight is just very deceiving.

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I haven't spent much time reading about ofter planets, but the moon does appear to be self-luminous...

What made you think so?

Being spherical and very close to the Earth, 3200 miles, it should have no problem lighting 1/2 of the known world.

Please explain the reason for the other 1/2 to be completely dark in the vicinity of spherical and "not-spotlight" source of light.

this is one subject i rather like. firstly pongo is wrong the earth does not mostly 'orbit' the equator. i have proven that it is mostly over the edge of the rim. this is also backed up buy high altitude photos that do indeed show a circle of light. not one person here can actually show how the sun works. thats the real answer

this is one subject i rather like. firstly pongo is wrong the earth does not mostly 'orbit' the equator. i have proven that it is mostly over the edge of the rim. this is also backed up buy high altitude photos that do indeed show a circle of light. not one person here can actually show how the sun works. thats the real answer

Photos cannot be used as evidence, sorry. They are too easily manipulated. However, if you use the internet to communicate with other places around the world, they can tell you when their place is being lit by the sun.

Using the information you gather, you can get a spread on multiple places where the sun lighting that place up at one single time. You can then plot these points on a map, and if you have enough locations spread over enough ground, you can get a very accurate map of how much of the Earth the Sun lights up at a given time.

...not one person here can actually show how the sun works...

You should have added: "...in the Flat Earth model.".

All of known astronomy is wrong then?

Quote from: squevil on January 23, 2013, 10:08:30 PM

...not one person here can actually show how the sun works...

You should have added: "...in the Flat Earth model.".

why do you say tha?

Quote from: catBot on January 24, 2013, 12:14:36 AM

Quote from: squevil on January 23, 2013, 10:08:30 PM

...not one person here can actually show how the sun works...

You should have added: "...in the Flat Earth model.".

why do you say tha?

I think maybe because the FErs have many different conflicting hypotheses about what it looks like and how it works, and RErs have a set of established theories about it.

why do you say tha?

To humiliate the FE model?!
No.

To make you make FE model better. Consistent. Competent.

If you are doing something to humiliate something else, chances are you don't understand whats really going on.

There is reason two, three, ten, or fifty million models can't both be true simultaneously, yet be mutually exclusive.  I have yet to be shown why people believe this isn't true.

...models can't both be true simultaneously, yet be mutually exclusive...

Light dualism?

All of known astronomy is wrong then?

Looking at things in terms of "right" and "wrong" will simple confuse the mind.  Instead look at things in terms of "I imagine" or "I don't."  Astronomy holds as many of the clues as does any other discipline.

Quote from: squevil on January 23, 2013, 10:08:30 PM

this is one subject i rather like. firstly pongo is wrong the earth does not mostly 'orbit' the equator. i have proven that it is mostly over the edge of the rim. this is also backed up buy high altitude photos that do indeed show a circle of light. not one person here can actually show how the sun works. thats the real answer

Photos cannot be used as evidence, sorry. They are too easily manipulated. However, if you use the internet to communicate with other places around the world, they can tell you when their place is being lit by the sun.

Using the information you gather, you can get a spread on multiple places where the sun lighting that place up at one single time. You can then plot these points on a map, and if you have enough locations spread over enough ground, you can get a very accurate map of how much of the Earth the Sun lights up at a given time.

my proof doesnt require photos. some numbers and paintshop was used. now as for high altitude photos. i think we can rely on it as so many independent sources are  used.

Quote from: John Davis on January 24, 2013, 06:34:04 AM

...models can't both be true simultaneously, yet be mutually exclusive...

Light dualism?

Sorry, that was my point, I mispoke.

"models can both be true simultaneously, yet be mutually exclusive"

2 John Davis:
There are 7 (seven) posts from you in this tread, but still no definitive answer.
I seem to remember something (from the Forum rules probably) about "zero content"...


So, I repeat the question again: what is the reason for 1/2 of the flat Earth to be completely dark in the vicinity of spherical and "not-spotlight" source of light?

Every post of mine has content.  I cannot help those that choose not to see it.

If you want an answer to your question though, it has to do with the effect of aether on light.  Aether bends light.