Moon Hoax, Not

Quote from: Pythagoras on February 12, 2013, 12:58:44 PM

once again you lack of understanding of relative motion, potential energy, momentum, have all let you down so hard. 

I don't think so.
Once that rocket leaves earth, it goes into space,a s we are told.
Once in space, the earth and the moon, go whizzing off at 67,000 mph around the sun, leaving the rocket crying, wondering where it's mammy has gone and yet hasn't the power to catch up, because rockets cannot do 67,000 mph.

Have a good old think about it.

Quote from: Pythagoras on February 12, 2013, 12:43:59 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going made here, as I've just had a thought.

Naturally we have to assume a rotating Earth model here, as we are told it is.
Ok so here goes.

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

I'll have to do a drawing here to show what I mean.

because the apollo craft and any space craft is 1st and for most travaling at 67,000 mph with the earth and the moon. just like you me and the orange on my table. thats what relative speed means. now on top of this the iss travles at 17,000 mph to orbit the earth and the apollo craft travled at a further 24,791 mph to reach the moon. and no the apolo craft didnt go on a straight course to the moon it went more like this

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Just wait, he'll tell you that we're not moving at 67,000 mph because we should be able to feel it. Then he'll say that once we leave the Earth's atmosphere we shouldn't be travelling at the same speed, or that we'd crash land into the moon or something. So if you want to start on that rebuttal now, I'd take the opportunity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 01:02:03 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on February 12, 2013, 12:58:44 PM

once again you lack of understanding of relative motion, potential energy, momentum, have all let you down so hard. 

I don't think so.
Once that rocket leaves earth, it goes into space,a s we are told.
Once in space, the earth and the moon, go whizzing off at 67,000 mph around the sun, leaving the rocket crying, wondering where it's mammy has gone and yet hasn't the power to catch up, because rockets cannot do 67,000 mph.

Have a good old think about it.

like i said your complete lack of any kind of an education. face palm. lol

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Quote from: Pythagoras on February 12, 2013, 12:58:44 PM

once again you lack of understanding of relative motion, potential energy, momentum, have all let you down so hard. 

I don't think so.
Once that rocket leaves earth, it goes into space,a s we are told.
Once in space, the earth and the moon, go whizzing off at 67,000 mph around the sun, leaving the rocket crying, wondering where it's mammy has gone and yet hasn't the power to catch up, because rockets cannot do 67,000 mph.

Have a good old think about it.

Looks like it's a hard one to answer boys. I'll be back later.

Looks like it's a hard one to answer boys. I'll be back later.

Where did I say that?

Momentum my arse, it's called "air flow."

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that because the Apollo craft isn't traveling at a constant velocity.  The earth's gravitational field is tugging at the spacecraft, slowing it somewhat until it can reach a point where the moon's gravitational field becomes strong enough to start accelerating the craft towards the moon.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 01:02:03 PM

Quote from: Pythagoras on February 12, 2013, 12:58:44 PM

once again you lack of understanding of relative motion, potential energy, momentum, have all let you down so hard. 

I don't think so.
Once that rocket leaves earth, it goes into space,a s we are told.
Once in space, the earth and the moon, go whizzing off at 67,000 mph around the sun, leaving the rocket crying, wondering where it's mammy has gone and yet hasn't the power to catch up, because rockets cannot do 67,000 mph.

Have a good old think about it.

So when an object that is traveling the same speed as another object leaves it, it just automatically slams to a dead stop by some unseen force.  Is this what you're saying?

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What are you talking about? a dead stop?,when did I mention that?

Since you're unable to even fathom something landing on a surface moving 10mph by matching that speed, I'm not surprised.

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Forget the 10 mph, I'm on about the 67,000 mph.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 01:07:44 PM

Looks like it's a hard one to answer boys. I'll be back later.

Actually it's an easy one to answer.  It's still traveling along with the earth.  Looks like it's just a hard one for you to grasp.

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How in the hell can it still be travelling along with the earth, when it's left earth and left "ORBIT"

Unless you're a troll.  You're not a troll are you Sceptimatic?  Be honest now.

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This about seals it. You can't discount it , so go to plan B which is attempted ridicule. Unfortunately for you, I don't bow down that easy, as you know. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 01:07:44 PM

Looks like it's a hard one to answer boys. I'll be back later.

Inertia.

Where's my cookie?

And:

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 05:44:01 AM

Where did I say that?

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 11, 2013, 12:50:22 PM

Momentum my arse, it's called "air flow."

No but seriously we don't feel like going into heavy mathematics and physics/trajectories because it's a waste of our time when it's 'bullshit' by your standards.

*simple physics concept on earth*
Scepi: Oh yes this makes sense I can understand blah blah
*same exact concept in a vacuum(space)*
Scepi: Oh bullshit magic no work haha you guys fail shills bullshit magic!!

Scepi, it's totally fine to have a first impression of something from a logical standpoint, it's our nature.(Hmmmm the earth SEEMS flat... or ... hmmm that's really fast so I don't think that would work), but it's just that, a first impression or hypothesis.

This is where science comes in. Things are tested and tested and tested and tested until they're disproven. But until that happens they are taken as common knowledge. For example the flat earth model was beginning to be questioned around 2000 years ago, so many tests were conducted and guess what, they found a sphere model works much more logically. We're talking about some of the greatest minds in history who devoted their lives to science and astronomy, as opposed to some random guy on the internet with an obvious lack of knowledge in the basics...

By the time we reached outer space(which would be pretty sad if we couldn't do it since we're a pretty damn advanced species), there was no doubt because, well, right in their face was a giant sphere earth haha.

If none of us actually tested things using concrete evidence(math(doesn't change) and physics(almost never changes)), and went off of instinct like you do, we'd all probably still believe in a flat earth and be in the dark ages...

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

I just proved you wrong.
Seriously the only problem anyone might be having is understanding how you are viewing the world we live in.

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

I just proved you wrong.
Seriously the only problem anyone might be having is understanding how you are viewing the world we live in.

The only problem people are having of viewing what I'm saying, is people like you.

What are you talking about? a dead stop?,when did I mention that?

Once in space, the earth and the moon, go whizzing off at 67,000 mph around the sun, leaving the rocket crying, wondering where it's mammy has gone and yet hasn't the power to catch up, because rockets cannot do 67,000 mph

Forget the 10 mph, I'm on about the 67,000 mph.

How in the hell can it still be travelling along with the earth, when it's left earth and left "ORBIT"

so go to plan B which is attempted ridicule.

Unfortunately for you, I don't bow down that easy, as you know.

Quote from: markjo on February 12, 2013, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that because the Apollo craft isn't traveling at a constant velocity.  The earth's gravitational field is tugging at the spacecraft, slowing it somewhat until it can reach a point where the moon's gravitational field becomes strong enough to start accelerating the craft towards the moon.

Sod the gravitational field, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about and you know it.

Quote from: markjo on February 12, 2013, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that because the Apollo craft isn't traveling at a constant velocity.  The earth's gravitational field is tugging at the spacecraft, slowing it somewhat until it can reach a point where the moon's gravitational field becomes strong enough to start accelerating the craft towards the moon.

Sod the gravitational field, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about and you know it.

You think we are an advanced species and can get into space...and yet, advertise a massive sale at a retailer... and this advanced species will kill each other or maim anyone who gets in their way, whilst the birds, chimps, lions and other docile animals play the game with each other and  share what they get.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

I just proved you wrong.
Seriously the only problem anyone might be having is understanding how you are viewing the world we live in.

The only problem people are having of viewing what I'm saying, is people like you.

That doesn't even make sense, and nice job side-stepping the fact that you don't understand inertia and relative velocity and that you know you're wrong.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:30:57 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 12, 2013, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that because the Apollo craft isn't traveling at a constant velocity.  The earth's gravitational field is tugging at the spacecraft, slowing it somewhat until it can reach a point where the moon's gravitational field becomes strong enough to start accelerating the craft towards the moon.

Sod the gravitational field, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about and you know it.

I'm just saying that there is more to calculating a proper trajectory from the earth to the moon than you think.  When you're trying to hit a moving target that's  a quarter of a million miles away, even small changes in velocity can be significant.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:30:57 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 12, 2013, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

If the Earth is rotating at 1040 mph at the equator and is also orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph, then once this piece of shit Apollo craft leaves earth on a trajectory to the moon, how in the hell does it get back to earth when the earth has pissed off at 67,000 miles per hour, leaving the craft on it's way to the moon and also the moon is whizzing around the Earth at a few thousand mile per hour.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that because the Apollo craft isn't traveling at a constant velocity.  The earth's gravitational field is tugging at the spacecraft, slowing it somewhat until it can reach a point where the moon's gravitational field becomes strong enough to start accelerating the craft towards the moon.

Sod the gravitational field, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about and you know it.

Actually it has everything to do with what you're talking about and you know it. Jk you don't know anything haha.

He's basically saying even though you think it's so hard to get to the moon that it's impossible, it's even more complicated than that and we've STILL been to the moon.

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:11:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

I just proved you wrong.
Seriously the only problem anyone might be having is understanding how you are viewing the world we live in.

The only problem people are having of viewing what I'm saying, is people like you.

That doesn't even make sense, and nice job side-stepping the fact that you don't understand inertia and relative velocity and that you know you're wrong.

Inertia is fine but it doesn't apply in this instance.

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 13, 2013, 01:01:38 AM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:11:40 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on February 12, 2013, 03:57:07 PM

Quote from: Bollybill on February 12, 2013, 03:50:37 PM

This is sad really. The earth is moving at what, 67,000 mph. The satellites is moving in the same direction at the same speed, and therefor they stay the same distance from each other, the only changes being in the satellite's orbit.
You should really understand the basics before ridiculing a subject, although I just hope you're a troll...

You will not get out of this one lightly.
I won't let this one lie. Expect diagrams.
You will find it difficult to refute what I'm going to say, yet I can bet my bottom dollar, you and others will come out with something stupid.

I just proved you wrong.
Seriously the only problem anyone might be having is understanding how you are viewing the world we live in.

The only problem people are having of viewing what I'm saying, is people like you.

That doesn't even make sense, and nice job side-stepping the fact that you don't understand inertia and relative velocity and that you know you're wrong.

Inertia is fine but it doesn't apply in this instance.

Yes it does. the moon is even farther away from the earth than the rocket and it doesn't get left behind. Why? Inertia. The entire area enclosed by the moon orbit is like one big system. It all kinda stays together and everything in it is going 67000 mph. Even rockets trying to reach the moon.

Hi sceptimatic. I am a big fan of your art, all your paintings turn out  beautifully. I am currently watching your lector here  - which is incredible useful by the way! - but my question is: Are your paintings copyrighted? I am considering using them in my memoir.

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