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Changes shape? And looks so real? Yes it looks real because..... Shock horror..... It is real. And it dsnt change shape the pictures are taken from different angles. Is that all you can say? Wow bad show even for you.

I said it would look real to a two year old.
It's a blatant fake, I don't even need to go into detail.
All it is, is a model.

Come on, you call it a blatant fake yet refuse to go into detail? All you end up writing is responses like:

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Now what evidence could I possibly give you on a forum that will make you sit there and go, "hmmm, maybe there's something in this?"

It doesn't matter if it's some piece of evidence that changes everybody's minds. What matters is that you have evidence to begin with. What is it that led to your belief? If you don't have any, then your posts are nothing but assumptions. Yet, you continue to call other posters liars when they contribute something more than you. You can make the effort to write that out, but you can't post this proof you continually say that you have in multiple posts.

There's evidence been put up. I suggest you go through it instead of skipping past is.
The reason why you say there's no evidence is, because you don't look at it, either because you are so brainwashed you refuse to see anything or your goal is simply to debunk any claim because you know it's fake, so will attempt to side track any evidence.

It's one or the other.

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I cannot prove it's a hoax...

Calling someone a liar without being able to prove it is called libel.  Libel is a crime punishable by imprisonment, hefty fines or both.  If you can't prove that it's a hoax, then you shouldn't be calling them liars, should you?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop calling people liars without any evidence.

I've already proved one person a liar, it's just a case of picking, piece by piece.

You have no clue whether I've looked through a telescope or not.

I don't need to use a telescope to see that something is fake.

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You have no clue whether I've looked through a telescope or not.

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I don't need to use a telescope to see that something is fake.

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"I don't need" and "have never used" are two totally different things.
Like I said, "you have no clue if I have used a telescope."

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you are a liar.

Am I?

Yes.

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Re: What do you guys think of this video?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 10:45:16 PM »
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Our company was contracted to build certain (communication) equipment for this craft.

Good memories of seeing it in and out.
It just stuns you when you think how much labor of how many people is involved in creation of this thing.

His company helped build parts of the iss. Obviously he's a liar.

He said he's been to the space station, so yes he's a liar.

The attitude of sceptimatic to everything is "You say you have evidence from personal experience? Then you're lying." or "You have no evidence from personal experience? Then it's not true."
That's deciding that nothing will convince you beforehand - in other words, it's a waste of time talking to you.

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Re: What do you guys think of this video?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 10:45:16 PM »
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Our company was contracted to build certain (communication) equipment for this craft.

Good memories of seeing it in and out.
It just stuns you when you think how much labor of how many people is involved in creation of this thing.

His company helped build parts of the iss. Obviously he's a liar.

He said he's been to the space station, so yes he's a liar.

The attitude of sceptimatic to everything is "You say you have evidence from personal experience? Then you're lying." or "You have no evidence from personal experience? Then it's not true."
That's deciding that nothing will convince you beforehand - in other words, it's a waste of time talking to you.

Isn't that the stance of the people that believe it's all true?
You ask me for evidence in the full on knowledge that you will refute it any which way you can.

No, the stance of the people who believe it's true is to look at the evidence and weigh up the probabilities, which point to it being true.

You ask me for evidence in the full on knowledge that you will refute it any which way you can.

No. We ask you for evidence in the full on knowledge that you still haven't given us any haha.
And yes I've been through every page of this thread. If you feel as though you still have evidence, show it to me. I'll debate with you with terms so simple a toddler could understand them, since, you know, science has those big words, and you don't like science...

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You have no clue whether I've looked through a telescope or not.

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I don't need to use a telescope to see that something is fake.

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"I don't need" and "have never used" are two totally different things.
Like I said, "you have no clue if I have used a telescope."

Have you ever used a telescope?
And it's called contextual deduction...

He said he's been to the space station, so yes he's a liar.

And what if he wasn't lying and really had been to the space station and that it's you who got it all wrong, and that all you've done is slander good people's names?
Don't call people liars if you can't back up your claims, Libel is an offense.
:A thing that brings undeserved discredit on a person by misrepresentation.
:A false and typically malicious statement about a person.

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Quote from: Pythagoras on January 28, 2013, 10:37:27 AM

Changes shape? And looks so real? Yes it looks real because..... Shock horror..... It is real. And it dsnt change shape the pictures are taken from different angles. Is that all you can say? Wow bad show even for you.

I said it would look real to a two year old.
It's a blatant fake, I don't even need to go into detail.
All it is, is a model.

Come on, you call it a blatant fake yet refuse to go into detail? All you end up writing is responses like:

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Now what evidence could I possibly give you on a forum that will make you sit there and go, "hmmm, maybe there's something in this?"

It doesn't matter if it's some piece of evidence that changes everybody's minds. What matters is that you have evidence to begin with. What is it that led to your belief? If you don't have any, then your posts are nothing but assumptions. Yet, you continue to call other posters liars when they contribute something more than you. You can make the effort to write that out, but you can't post this proof you continually say that you have in multiple posts.

There's evidence been put up. I suggest you go through it instead of skipping past is.
The reason why you say there's no evidence is, because you don't look at it, either because you are so brainwashed you refuse to see anything or your goal is simply to debunk any claim because you know it's fake, so will attempt to side track any evidence.

It's one or the other.

Stop repeating yourself and read my posts before you respond next time.

No, the stance of the people who believe it's true is to look at the evidence and weigh up the probabilities, which point to it being true.

The stance of "most" people who believe it's true is a simple sheep like acceptance of what was initially told to them via books,schooling or mass media and it's as simple as that.

Other people who believe official versions at least have the sense to sift through evidence that may make them think otherwise.

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You ask me for evidence in the full on knowledge that you will refute it any which way you can.

No. We ask you for evidence in the full on knowledge that you still haven't given us any haha.
And yes I've been through every page of this thread. If you feel as though you still have evidence, show it to me. I'll debate with you with terms so simple a toddler could understand them, since, you know, science has those big words, and you don't like science...

The evidence is there.
None of you have given evidence for it to be true, except to show silly pictures and silly footage passed off as real and to say, " we know it's there, we have seen it through binoculars."

It's got to the stage where one of your crew has even stooped to a new level and said he's been to the space station, 

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 12:40:03 AM

You have no clue whether I've looked through a telescope or not.

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I don't need to use a telescope to see that something is fake.

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"I don't need" and "have never used" are two totally different things.
Like I said, "you have no clue if I have used a telescope."

Have you ever used a telescope?
And it's called contextual deduction...

Yes I have used a telescope.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 12:39:08 AM

He said he's been to the space station, so yes he's a liar.

And what if he wasn't lying and really had been to the space station and that it's you who got it all wrong, and that all you've done is slander good people's names?
Don't call people liars if you can't back up your claims, Libel is an offense.
:A thing that brings undeserved discredit on a person by misrepresentation.
:A false and typically malicious statement about a person.

Well he'll have to take me to court then, so I beg him to do that as he will have to bring his proof won't he.

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Quote from: Pythagoras on January 28, 2013, 10:37:27 AM

Changes shape? And looks so real? Yes it looks real because..... Shock horror..... It is real. And it dsnt change shape the pictures are taken from different angles. Is that all you can say? Wow bad show even for you.

I said it would look real to a two year old.
It's a blatant fake, I don't even need to go into detail.
All it is, is a model.

Come on, you call it a blatant fake yet refuse to go into detail? All you end up writing is responses like:

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Now what evidence could I possibly give you on a forum that will make you sit there and go, "hmmm, maybe there's something in this?"

It doesn't matter if it's some piece of evidence that changes everybody's minds. What matters is that you have evidence to begin with. What is it that led to your belief? If you don't have any, then your posts are nothing but assumptions. Yet, you continue to call other posters liars when they contribute something more than you. You can make the effort to write that out, but you can't post this proof you continually say that you have in multiple posts.

There's evidence been put up. I suggest you go through it instead of skipping past is.
The reason why you say there's no evidence is, because you don't look at it, either because you are so brainwashed you refuse to see anything or your goal is simply to debunk any claim because you know it's fake, so will attempt to side track any evidence.

It's one or the other.

Stop repeating yourself and read my posts before you respond next time.

You don't dictate to me. Either get on with the discussion or stay out of it.

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Changes shape? And looks so real? Yes it looks real because..... Shock horror..... It is real. And it dsnt change shape the pictures are taken from different angles. Is that all you can say? Wow bad show even for you.

I said it would look real to a two year old.
It's a blatant fake, I don't even need to go into detail.
All it is, is a model.

Come on, you call it a blatant fake yet refuse to go into detail? All you end up writing is responses like:

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Now what evidence could I possibly give you on a forum that will make you sit there and go, "hmmm, maybe there's something in this?"

It doesn't matter if it's some piece of evidence that changes everybody's minds. What matters is that you have evidence to begin with. What is it that led to your belief? If you don't have any, then your posts are nothing but assumptions. Yet, you continue to call other posters liars when they contribute something more than you. You can make the effort to write that out, but you can't post this proof you continually say that you have in multiple posts.

There's evidence been put up. I suggest you go through it instead of skipping past is.
The reason why you say there's no evidence is, because you don't look at it, either because you are so brainwashed you refuse to see anything or your goal is simply to debunk any claim because you know it's fake, so will attempt to side track any evidence.

It's one or the other.

Stop repeating yourself and read my posts before you respond next time.

You don't dictate to me. Either get on with the discussion or stay out of it.

I've told you already that the crap you're labeling me as is wrong. I've asked you to show the evidence you keep saying you have. All I get back is "I don't have to." and then some garbage about me being "brainwashed" or some type of "debunker." I answer the questions you ask me. Others have presented evidence or simply stated what they have observed and you just call them a liar.

None of you have given evidence for it to be true, except to show silly pictures and silly footage passed off as real and to say, " we know it's there, we have seen it through binoculars."

This post demonstrates to me that you're exactly the same as the crap label you try to give me repeatedly.

Now, to keep this from being the same stupid argument that isn't going anywhere:
Do you have any evidence that the photos and videos they post have been faked or tampered with? Do you have evidence that any of the posters that you claim are lying, are in fact lying? You also have stated that you would like to see the ISS for yourself through a telescope. Have you ever attempted to do so? I've seen you post that you wouldn't see it, but I've never even seen you post that you've tried. On top of that, what makes you believe that anyway?

You believe you have the upper hand because you are one part of a huge mass of people. Well you don't have it with me.

I'll say this once again.
I've posted evidence that it's fake by water bubbles in their supposed space walks and various cuts in filming and there's the fact that it cannot orbit the Earth anyway as the Earth is not a sphere.

I've looked at the night sky with a telescope but never looked for a fake ISS for obvious reasons.
Whatever you people see up there is there because you have been directed to look in that area by a website.
What you see up there is made into a space station because you want it to be a space station, yet it's either a blimp, high flying aircraft or something like that, or it's a moving comet or something like that.

People who have observed the so called ISS, describe it as a ball of light.

It's got to the stage where one of your crew has even stooped to a new level and said he's been to the space station, 

It's got to the stage where one of your immoral, sick crew has stooped to a new low and said NASA murdered the space shuttle crew.

Thing is, the evidence we have for space flight is overwhelming. Private companies send up their own craft, anyone can buy a good telescope and spot satellites and the ISS. In fact millions of people can and have. Live camera feed, good quality photos from the ISS, space shuttle and satellites. It's just not good enough for you. It's still evidence, but do you have any to prove that all astronauts, space programs, scientists are wrong/lying?

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It's got to the stage where one of your crew has even stooped to a new level and said he's been to the space station, 

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It's got to the stage where one of your immoral, sick crew has stooped to a new low and said NASA murdered the space shuttle crew.

Thing is, the evidence we have for space flight is overwhelming. Private companies send up their own craft, anyone can buy a good telescope and spot satellites and the ISS. In fact millions of people can and have. Live camera feed, good quality photos from the ISS, space shuttle and satellites. It's just not good enough for you. It's still evidence, but do you have any to prove that all astronauts, space programs, scientists are wrong/lying?

Ok, answer me this question.

In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

Ok, answer me this question.

In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

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Why can't you accept the idea that there is a space station? Even though you can see it with your own eyes? Is it because it disproves flat earth?

If a space station is hard for you to grasp and accept, then this is way way way way way x1,000,000,000 out of your depth
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Ok, answer me this question.

In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

where have they ever said they dont? is this realy the best you can come up with?

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Ok, answer me this question.

In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

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Why can't you accept the idea that there is a space station? Even though you can see it with your own eyes? Is it because it disproves flat earth?

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The first video is clever.
Put specks of dust on the lens so you can't make anything out, including the fact that they mimic stars,making the person assume there is stars.
When I said space, I said why don't they show space without the Earth, you know , like the opposite way to the earth.
Show me a video of this.

The second video. you are correct, I'll never make head nor tail of that as it's just graphics depicting a complete load of crap really.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Earth and Moon from the ISS

This is a video that proves this isn't took aboard a space station in space.
Did N.A.S.A forget the space station is supposedly travelling around earth at 17,000 mph, yet the moon stays still?
The earth isn't moving either. I thought it would appear to move as it's supposed to be rotating at over 1000 mph and add to that the ISS at 17,000 mph, yet here we are, a still earth and a moon that you can video.

 

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Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 03:45:16 AM

Ok, answer me this question.

In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

where have they ever said they dont? is this realy the best you can come up with?

Why don't you go and find some footage then from the ISS that does not include the earth in the video.

They seem obsessed with the earth, yet don't appear interested in looking into space. Yeah right.
Fake as hell.

where do we start with you today?...... number 1. the moon is 250,000 miles away. it wouldnt appear to move to any large degree especialy since the iss isnt traviling towards the moon. and what reference points on the earth are you using to base your asumption its not moving beneath the space station.

why would nasa post video of the stars viewd from the iss? they would be hard to capture to begin with and it would be a very boring view becasue they wouldnt appear to move much. and this has nothing to do with what you said. you said no crew member has ever looked into space. where is your evidence of this?

where do we start with you today?...... number 1. the moon is 250,000 miles away. it wouldnt appear to move to any large degree especialy since the iss isnt traviling towards the moon. and what reference points on the earth are you using to base your asumption its not moving beneath the space station.

why would nasa post video of the stars viewd from the iss? they would be hard to capture to begin with and it would be a very boring view becasue they wouldnt appear to move much. and this has nothing to do with what you said. you said no crew member has ever looked into space. where is your evidence of this?

Now now, don't be twisting things. I can sense you sweating here.

Show me a video of any Astro liar on any mission that has took video capture of space without the earth in view.
You say it's hard to capture stars , yet it's strange how suddenly they appear to have stars in some video now and not in many others, I wonder why?

The view of the moon should not be still. This ISS supposedly orbits earth about 19 times a day, or let's say 16 just to give a bit of leeway. So why the hell is the moon constantly in the video?

I'm giving you evidence of bull shit. Let's see what you come back with.

the clip is 3 minuets long? how much should the moon move in that time?  show me an un edited video of the iss with millions of stars in view? you seem to underestimate how hard it is to take pictures of stars in a lit environment especialy a video.

and im not twisting things you said

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 03:45:16 AM

Ok, answer me this question.
In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

this is what you said. not why are their no videos.

the clip is 3 minuets long? how much should the moon move in that time?  show me an un edited video of the iss with millions of stars in view? you seem to underestimate how hard it is to take pictures of stars in a lit environment especialy a video.

and im not twisting things you said

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 06:22:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 29, 2013, 03:45:16 AM

Ok, answer me this question.
In every single piece of live footage or any footage, including photo's, why has not one of the ISS crew ever looked into space. Why, every time do they insist on looking down on Earth?

this is what you said. not why are their no videos.

Why are you neglecting to mention that I said, "in every piece of LIVE footage or any footage, including photo's."

That means, why haven't they shown us any footage of space, why do they constantly just show us the earth.

Oh and what do you mean, "show me an unedited video?"
What difference does it make. You said it's hard to capture stars in video or photo's, so even in a video speeded up, they still should be hard to see, yet they are not.
Let me see your explanations for this, oh and don;t forget to explain the unwillingness of the Astro liars not to show us space from the ISS that doesn't involve the earth.