live iss!

You can see it all the time you just chose not to. Iv told you before, get a telescope and look for yourself. Got to a amateur astronomers club and ask if they will show you. Why won't you? Are you afraid of what you will see? For someone who is supposedly seeking the truth you seem awfully afraid of looking. Lol

It would be fantastic to see and it would prove to me that it's really up there and in all it's winged glory of spread out solar sails that would shine like beacons in the sky.
If I saw that, I would never question anything again. Will I see it? Will I ever see it ?

Not a chance.

Ok sooooooo...... go outside and look maybe? With a cheap telescope? Or is the telescope in on the hoax?

In your head: "Maybe I should go outside and just tilt my damn head toward the sky when the ISS is in plain sight. Mmmm or not, because then I would be wrong. I can't be wrong. Can't be. I'm not a nut! You guys are the nuts!" *back to the computer* (which he doesn't understand so it must also be a hoax)

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 27, 2013, 04:08:20 PM

It would be fantastic to see and it would prove to me that it's really up there and in all it's winged glory of spread out solar sails that would shine like beacons in the sky.
If I saw that, I would never question anything again. Will I see it? Will I ever see it ?

Not a chance.

Ok sooooooo...... go outside and look maybe? With a cheap telescope? Or is the telescope in on the hoax?

In your head: "Maybe I should go outside and just tilt my damn head toward the sky when the ISS is in plain sight. Mmmm or not, because then I would be wrong. I can't be wrong. Can't be. I'm not a nut! You guys are the nuts!" *back to the computer* (which he doesn't understand so it must also be a hoax)

I don't need to use a telescope to see that something is fake.

I think this video explains how it's all done inside the fake space station.
Green screen whilst on a vomit comet. This is the reason that all these  Astro liars look like they all suffer from high blood pressure.

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I think this video explains how it's all done inside the fake space station.
Green screen whilst on a vomit comet. This is the reason that all these  Astro liars look like they all suffer from high blood pressure.

Actually, the effects of long term weightlessness on humans are fairly well documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlessness#Human_health_effects

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 06:08:58 AM

I think this video explains how it's all done inside the fake space station.
Green screen whilst on a vomit comet. This is the reason that all these  Astro liars look like they all suffer from high blood pressure.

Actually, the effects of long term weightlessness on humans are fairly well documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlessness#Human_health_effects

I would imagine they are.

The problem is, they are all documented wrongly as nobody ever appears to suffer any effects of being up inside space stations, even for supposed months if not a year.

Regardless of that, the video shows you exactly why the ISS and every other mission is a fake.

The problem is, they are all documented wrongly as nobody ever appears to suffer any effects of being up inside space stations, even for supposed months if not a year.

Have you ever physically examined an astronaut while in space or upon returning from space?

Regardless of that, the video shows you exactly why the ISS and every other mission is a fake.

That video looks real to me.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 06:27:59 AM

The problem is, they are all documented wrongly as nobody ever appears to suffer any effects of being up inside space stations, even for supposed months if not a year.

Have you ever physically examined an astronaut while in space or upon returning from space?

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Regardless of that, the video shows you exactly why the ISS and every other mission is a fake.

That video looks real to me.

How can I physically examine an Astronaut upon returning from space? No astronaut has ever been in space for me to examine him or her.

The video is a real video, you are right. It is a real video of fakery showing Astro liars in supposed zero gravity, when they are really on the zero gravity plane and using green screen.

How can I physically examine an Astronaut upon returning from space? No astronaut has ever been in space for me to examine him or her.

Then how can you know if the astronauts are or are not feeling the effects of long term zero gravity?

The video is a real video, you are right. It is a real video of fakery showing Astro liars in supposed zero gravity, when they are really on the zero gravity plane and using green screen.

First of all, the shots of her dog tag floating around were far too long for zero gravity simulator airplanes.  Secondly, as the airplane is climbing, the passengers feel extra gravity and there is no evidence of that in the video.  Thirdly, with a "set" that small, why would they bother with a green screen?  In my opinion, nothing in that video suggests that the interview was conducted in a zero gravity simulator airplane.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 06:48:57 AM

How can I physically examine an Astronaut upon returning from space? No astronaut has ever been in space for me to examine him or her.

Then how can you know if the astronauts are or are not feeling the effects of long term zero gravity?

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The video is a real video, you are right. It is a real video of fakery showing Astro liars in supposed zero gravity, when they are really on the zero gravity plane and using green screen.

First of all, the shots of her dog tag floating around were far too long for zero gravity simulator airplanes.  Secondly, as the airplane is climbing, the passengers feel extra gravity and there is no evidence of that in the video.  Thirdly, with a "set" that small, why would they bother with a green screen?  In my opinion, nothing in that video suggests that the interview was conducted in a zero gravity simulator airplane.

Well of course it wouldn't. Nothing would to you.

If she got on the mic and said it's all fake, you would explain why she was fibbing.

awwww scepi wnt look through a telescope becuse he is afraid of what he will see. and you say we are brian washed. how do you know its fake if you dnt look? i gues you are not the truth seeker you make yourself out to be? shame. if you actualy put effort into some of the things you do you might actualy get somewhere.

awwww scepi wnt look through a telescope becuse he is afraid of what he will see. and you say we are brian washed. how do you know its fake if you dnt look? i gues you are not the truth seeker you make yourself out to be? shame. if you actualy put effort into some of the things you do you might actualy get somewhere.

I only need to put in the required effort that I need to show me it's fake.
I have done that.
You on the other hand try your best to debunk everything and fail.

looking a computer screen for all your information will tell you very little about the world around you. and most importantly, its all 3rd hand evidence. something im sure a truth seeker like you would want to avoid like the plague and instead gather direct 1st hand evidence. shame. i guess you are brainwashed after all. 

looking a computer screen for all your information will tell you very little about the world around you. and most importantly, its all 3rd hand evidence. something im sure a truth seeker like you would want to avoid like the plague and instead gather direct 1st hand evidence. shame. i guess you are brainwashed after all. 

I am not brainwashed and neither are you. You see...many people are easily suckered in- I am not one of them and neither are you, because your job is to debunk people like me by firstly counteracting evidence and then trying to slowly and carefully use ridicule to achieve your aim.
You are failing miserably.

Anyway, let's move on.

For anyone interested whether this ISS is bullshit or not, just take a look at videos like this on below.
The video itself looks reasonable, so nothing to see here, move on type of thing.

Not so:
Go to the 5 minute mark and watch him spin in zero gravity.
Two things you should notice.
1. When he spins himself, he barely touches anything to make him spin.

2. When he spins, he suddenly comes to a halt on his own, using no stopper.

It's just bothering to look at small things that can make up peoples minds.


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the fottage has been edited you can see the cut from where he is spinning to when he sudenly stops. also the portion of film thas showes his spin in mid air has been speed up. your right its not possible to stop like that. but the film has been edited. and this is 3rd maby 4th party evidence. we are talking about using 1st party evidence. this is where you shild be looking to find the truth not the internet. how can we take you seriously when you say that rocket launches are scaled models when you havnt ever seen a launch but millions of people have?

the fottage has been edited you can see the cut from where he is spinning to when he sudenly stops. also the portion of film thas showes his spin in mid air has been speed up. your right its not possible to stop like that. but the film has been edited. and this is 3rd maby 4th party evidence. we are talking about using 1st party evidence. this is where you shild be looking to find the truth not the internet. how can we take you seriously when you say that rocket launches are scaled models when you havnt ever seen a launch but millions of people have?

Yes, I thought you would come up with this. You see, this is the problem with you and others like you.
You show footage of one thing to prove it's real and tell everyone there's no doctored footage, then when you get shown fails, you mention edited footage.
Now why would the footage be edited of a simple spin?

i dont know, maby the fact that this isnt a live broaudcast but a pre recorded film. but that aside, he stops instantly which is physicly imposible. not just in my opinion, it is actualy physicly imposible what ever theory you follow. your the expert at spotting doctered film how can you not spot this? and once again this is 3rd party information. go look woth your own eyes and you will see the iss above your head. or do you not trust your own senses?

Oh and Thaggy: I Don't expect you to take me seriously. I don't expect anyone to take me seriously, but those that do, can maybe decide to delve in and scrutinise footage for themselves and make their own minds up.

Yours has been made up from the off, as your game is not to look for anomalies, it's to refute any anomalies found.

Oh and Thaggy: I Don't expect you to take me seriously. I don't expect anyone to take me seriously,

thats good because rest assured, no one does. especialy considering you refuse to actualy do any observations of your own and just rely on you tube. lol

i dont know, maby the fact that this isnt a live broaudcast but a pre recorded film. but that aside, he stops instantly which is physicly imposible. not just in my opinion, it is actualy physicly imposible what ever theory you follow. your the expert at spotting doctered film how can you not spot this? and once again this is 3rd party information. go look woth your own eyes and you will see the iss above your head. or do you not trust your own senses?

Whatever a person sees with a telescope or binoculars or the naked eye in the sky, is in the sky and not in space.
If someone sees the supposed ISS and it's definite shape in the sky, then it's a blimp or some kind of aircraft.
It seems strange that only a select few people appear to have filmed the ISS and all show the same crap distorted effigy that's clearly fake.

You are happy to debunk people even though you know it's all crap, which is fair enough and you can carry on for me but don;t expect to change my mind, as all you do is make it stronger.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 09:02:37 AM

Oh and Thaggy: I Don't expect you to take me seriously. I don't expect anyone to take me seriously,

thats good because rest assured, no one does. especialy considering you refuse to actualy do any observations of your own and just rely on you tube. lol

What observations have you done?

well in refernce to the iss space shuttle i have seen them with my own eyes using a telescope. and you have to invent some magic to replace them in order for you to be right. magic stratillites that are invisible to every one on earth projectors to beem images into space of all orbiting space craft and satillites even though no such tech exists. a blimp travaling at 17000 miles an hour? wow thats an even bigger leap of faith.

If she got on the mic and said it's all fake, you would explain why she was fibbing.

It's one thing to call someone a liar but it's quite another to prove that they're lying.  So far, you've called NASA liars but you've done nothing to prove it.

well in refernce to the iss space shuttle i have seen them with my own eyes using a telescope. and you have to invent some magic to replace them in order for you to be right. magic stratillites that are invisible to every one on earth projectors to beem images into space of all orbiting space craft and satillites even though no such tech exists. a blimp travaling at 17000 miles an hour? wow thats an even bigger leap of faith.

Oh, you've seen the ISS and the space shuttle have you.
I'm calling you a liar.

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 28, 2013, 09:12:00 AM

well in refernce to the iss space shuttle i have seen them with my own eyes using a telescope. and you have to invent some magic to replace them in order for you to be right. magic stratillites that are invisible to every one on earth projectors to beem images into space of all orbiting space craft and satillites even though no such tech exists. a blimp travaling at 17000 miles an hour? wow thats an even bigger leap of faith.

Oh, you've seen the ISS and the space shuttle have you.
I'm calling you a liar.

yes with a telescope. are you having trouble following? remember i suggested you try it?

Live from the International Space Station
live fotage on the iss right now.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 07:33:11 AM

If she got on the mic and said it's all fake, you would explain why she was fibbing.

It's one thing to call someone a liar but it's quite another to prove that they're lying.  So far, you've called NASA liars but you've done nothing to prove it.

If someone steals money from my wallet and there is only 1 other person in the house, I will ask if he/she had took the money.
If the reply was no, I would in my own mind, believe him/her to be lying, even though there is an extremely small possibility of it falling from my wallet.

N.A.S.A is the only other one in the house.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 09:15:07 AM

Quote from: Pythagoras on January 28, 2013, 09:12:00 AM

well in refernce to the iss space shuttle i have seen them with my own eyes using a telescope. and you have to invent some magic to replace them in order for you to be right. magic stratillites that are invisible to every one on earth projectors to beem images into space of all orbiting space craft and satillites even though no such tech exists. a blimp travaling at 17000 miles an hour? wow thats an even bigger leap of faith.

Oh, you've seen the ISS and the space shuttle have you.
I'm calling you a liar.

yes with a telescope. are you having trouble following? remember i suggested you try it?

Live from the International Space Station
live fotage on the iss right now.

Well I hope you enjoy watching it.
Live from some decked out tin can somewhere in a special studio, hidden from the world.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream#/nasahdtv/collection/29051f2bb545
this is a better feed. more going on.

have you looked through a telescope yet scepie? no? get back to us when you do

Quote from: markjo on January 28, 2013, 09:12:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 07:33:11 AM

If she got on the mic and said it's all fake, you would explain why she was fibbing.

It's one thing to call someone a liar but it's quite another to prove that they're lying.  So far, you've called NASA liars but you've done nothing to prove it.

If someone steals money from my wallet and there is only 1 other person in the house, I will ask if he/she had took the money.
If the reply was no, I would in my own mind, believe him/her to be lying, even though there is an extremely small possibility of it falling from my wallet.

N.A.S.A is the only other one in the house.

Protip, try to make your analogies relevant to the topic that you're discussing.  Stealing money from someone's wallet is far different than faking a video.  A better analogy might if someone claims to climb Mt. Everest and does a live broadcast from the peak.  How do you prove that they are lying?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 09:19:17 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 28, 2013, 09:12:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 28, 2013, 07:33:11 AM

If she got on the mic and said it's all fake, you would explain why she was fibbing.

It's one thing to call someone a liar but it's quite another to prove that they're lying.  So far, you've called NASA liars but you've done nothing to prove it.

If someone steals money from my wallet and there is only 1 other person in the house, I will ask if he/she had took the money.
If the reply was no, I would in my own mind, believe him/her to be lying, even though there is an extremely small possibility of it falling from my wallet.

N.A.S.A is the only other one in the house.

Protip, try to make your analogies relevant to the topic that you're discussing.  Stealing money from someone's wallet is far different than faking a video.  A better analogy might if someone claims to climb Mt. Everest and does a live broadcast from the peak.  How do you prove that they are lying?

This is where you are getting mixed up.
I cannot prove it's a hoax no more than you and Thaggy can prove it's legitimate, apart from saying, " we have seen the footage" or, " we have viewed it through a telescope."

None of us can really prove it.
So this leaves us both with the footage, which you and Thaggy appear to find nothing wrong with and yet it looks and is an acted out fake from top to bottom to me, so I'll stick with what I am comfortable with and you can believe in all the magic.

looked through a telescope yet? no? shame. atleast i have 1st person evidence where as you rely on you tube videos as the source of your information.