how can we see the Crux

the crux is a southern constellations  used in the absence of a true south pole star. in other words its the nearest most visible constellations  to the south celestial pole. it is visible from the entire southern hemisphere. but for my argument we will focus on the two red dots on the map. pleas explain to me how the constellations can be seen at both points at the same time?



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Is it night at both those places in the flat earth model? No. And does the earth move in the flat earth model? No, the stars do. So you see the same stars, but not at the same time. The heavens bring crux above you during your night time at those 2 dots.

the crux can be observed at those two locations at the adsact same time. how does that work in FE. how far apart roughly are the two points in FE?

How do you know crux can be observed in those two positions at the exact same time? You just assumed based on a round earth. The earth is not round.

How do you know crux can be observed in those two positions at the exact same time? You just assumed based on a round earth. The earth is not round.

Then how do you know it can't? You just assumed based on a flat Earth.

Quote from: Thork on January 11, 2013, 03:20:45 PM

How do you know crux can be observed in those two positions at the exact same time? You just assumed based on a round earth. The earth is not round.

Then how do you know it can't? You just assumed based on a flat Earth.

I am however an expert in earth's shape. I have studied it for many years and discussed every argument for and against over that time. You are someone who comes here out of morbid curiosity and a desire for human interaction. This makes any assumption I make based on a larger amount of information and reasoning, than yours.

you know because everyone in the southern hemisphere can always see it as long as the sky is clear no exceptions.  pleas answer my question if you want to contribute. what is the distance?

you know because everyone in the southern hemisphere can always see it as long as the sky is clear no exceptions.

What, even during the day? Whatever.

pleas answer my question if you want to contribute.

Don't memberate at me.

what is the distance?

Assuming you mean between the dots, you can find the diameter in Earth Not a Globe or in Wilbur Voliva's work.

Quote from: Berstram Jones on January 11, 2013, 03:22:48 PM

Quote from: Thork on January 11, 2013, 03:20:45 PM

How do you know crux can be observed in those two positions at the exact same time? You just assumed based on a round earth. The earth is not round.

Then how do you know it can't? You just assumed based on a flat Earth.

I am however an expert in earth's shape. I have studied it for many years and discussed every argument for and against over that time. You are someone who comes here out of morbid curiosity and a desire for human interaction. This makes any assumption I make based on a larger amount of information and reasoning, than yours.

Yet, all you've proven to me is that you have a massive ego. Yeah, you're an "expert" because you say so. You failed to answer the question in favor of trying to insult me.

Just because it contradicts your theory, doesn't mean it isn't observed. My point was that you can't just dismiss his question purely due to the fact he hasn't been there if you haven't either. And my question is: If you were to travel to the southern hemisphere and observe this, what would your explanation be?

Why can't I dismiss your assumption when you dismissed mine?

Neither of us have actually been to Antarctica and done sun experiments.

As for your 'if' question you are saying if the earth showed hypothetically round earth qualities what would I assume? the answer is I'd assume a round earth. But I don't for one second buy into the RE sun models for round earth, nor do I believe in a southern hemisphere midnight sun. But as that's off topic, feel free to search my dozens of other posts on the subject.

Why can't I dismiss your assumption when you dismissed mine?

Neither of us have actually been to Antarctica and done sun experiments.

As for your 'if' question you are saying if the earth showed hypothetically round earth qualities what would I assume? the answer is I'd assume a round earth. But I don't for one second buy into the RE sun models for round earth, nor do I believe in a southern hemisphere midnight sun. But as that's off topic, feel free to search my dozens of other posts on the subject.

This was my entire point.

Your point is that you have no point to make?

I'm sure debating in the upper fora hasn't always been this fruitless.

i mean at any time at night with no clouds. any way. the two points are 25ish thousand miles apart yet they can both see the same crux formation at the same time? how is this possible?

Because they can't both see the same star. One is in day, and the other at night. They are opposite sides of the earth as the map shows. Please read my very first post in this thread again.

well for months at a time the south pole is in darkens so that dsnt work.

I have already stated that I do not put any stock in the 'midnight sun' theory. I have dozens of threads where I have given specific examples of why it is flawed. Please feel free to browse them and ask me any questions.

well im afraid to say im not working from your personal theory. im working from the general flat earth line of it does happen so i guess that's all we need to hear on that matter realy.

so anybody else from the rest of the community know how this can be the case?

That is the general flat earth theory. Please aquatint yourself with Earth not a globe.


You can see the sun is not in both places at once and that a midnight sun is impossible.

so what about the thousands of people that go their every year? and the constantly inhabited research bases? you yourself pointed out the airfields in Antarctica? everyone that goes thier have never noticed anything other than what is known. for short periods every year their is constant day and constant night.

You did say that thier are bases in Antarctica didn't u? So surely if thier was no midnight sun they would notice right?

Did you even click on my first link? Australia flies an A319 to antarctica regularly and there is you prattling on about no airfields available.
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so thork has had time to reply but hasnt so we will assume that his lack of a response means he has proven his self wrong. well don thork.

so now that we know that the midnight sun and midday night is real my original point stands. how can 2 people 25000 miles apart on a flat earth see the same constilation at the same time? seams to me like a huge gaping hole in FE the kind of one that sinks a theory, and your telling me no one can answer it?

Sorry, I got bored and lost interest. What is it you wish to know? I thought we answered the OP. How can we see crux? Because it is part of the celestial gearing system that revolves above us. It can't be seen at opposite sides of the earth at the same time because it is day.

Its also not possible on a round earth because stars rise and set. the two places you picked would experience rising setting problems preventing you seeing them anyway.

The OP is actually a waste of time. You claimed two arbitrary points could both see a constellation at once. You had no source data for either. You made an assumption you should be able to see the constellation, (actually a poorly based assumption round earth or flat) and then said 'well it must be like that so how can it be replicated on a flat earth?'.

Its a nonsense thought experiment. Unless you return with reliable observational data, there really isn't very much to talk about. This thread is just the misconceptions in your head. Hence the reason I lost interest.

and their i was thinking you disappeared because you said the midnight sun dsnt exist. and you say your board of this thread but you re appear 5 mins after i mention your name. hmmmmmmmmm. are you having a sneaky peaky?they can be seen on the round earth because they are almost directly below earths so by looking straight up you can see them any where on the south pole when it is dark. don't even start on the gear system its nonsense and you all know it relay. no model can make it fit with observations. and no reliable observable data? hoe about no one has ever mentioned the fact you cant see them? care to give me any reliable observational data on celestial gears?

To translate Thork's post into non-convoluted plainspeak: he is pretending the well documented absence of sunlight in Antarctic midwinter is false, in order not to have to explain the phenomenon. It always boils down to the FE'ers ignoring evidence in the end.

This thread is about Crux. Not the midnight sun.

If you wish to discuss the midnight sun as though this is something I've never come across and have absolutely no explanation for, go ahead. you may add the source below to your OP.

The 2010 New Year was, for many, seen in for the first time before a surreal backdrop of the Antarctic coastline. While not under fabled midnight sun, it might as well have been. Toss in a few icebergs, bad
hats, German dance music and 50-odd of the luckiest people on the planet, and it certainly was a New
Year’s celebration that will be long remembered. As with all post-midnight New Year’s celebrations,
decisions were made to either chose sleep or continued festivities for the remaining wee hours of the
morning. The bar or respective cabins were the destinations of choice.

In the middle of NH winter, the best time of year to get 24 hours of sun and it didn't happen? This account is one of many. People expressing disappointment with this is common.

As for all these millions of people that go there maybe you'd like to go fetch some numbers because my sources all come in about the ball park of the source below.

Antarctica population mainly consists of the researchers and the scientists, who are constantly engaged in carrying out various experiments all through the year. The Antarctica population reveals that there are no permanent residents in this continent. The number of people carrying out different experiments in this continent varies between 1000 and 4000. During the summer season the number reaches to 4000 and in the winter it comes down to 1000.

This thread is about Crux. Not the midnight sun.

If you wish to discuss the midnight sun as though this is something I've never come across and have absolutely no explanation for, go ahead. you may add the source below to your OP.

You have read discussions about the midnight sun, I'm sure, and therefore acknowledge that in winter there is just the opposite - no sun at all. Hence the simultaneous visibility of Crux Australis in the locations given in the OP. You are playing the Moron In A Hurry card very unconvincingly here.

There is a thread where I present a possible explanation for the southern celestial pole using the aetheric wind theory. 

The thread itself has been pretty well de-railed at this point but the OP will illustrate the hypothesis for you.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57211.0.html#.UPRDkmfux68

Quote from: Thork on January 14, 2013, 09:35:46 AM

This thread is about Crux. Not the midnight sun.

If you wish to discuss the midnight sun as though this is something I've never come across and have absolutely no explanation for, go ahead. you may add the source below to your OP.

You have read discussions about the midnight sun, I'm sure, and therefore acknowledge that in winter there is just the opposite - no sun at all. Hence the simultaneous visibility of Crux Australis in the locations given in the OP. You are playing the Moron In A Hurry card very unconvincingly here.

Thanks for ignoring all my sources again and providing none of your own. I have truly lost interest now.

not sure where i say millions of people go to Antarctica. i said thousands every year. and yes the thread is about the crux your the one bringing up the midnight sun. and Tintagel yes i read the thread and with all due respect its nonsense born out of necessity rather than evidence. so we are still stuck with no explanation for how the crux is observable in the 2 locations.

and as for your new years party quote care to give a link? that looks like an extract so we need to see the source material.

not sure where i say millions of people go to Antarctica. i said thousands every year. and yes the thread is about the crux your the one bringing up the midnight sun. and Tintagel yes i read the thread and with all due respect its nonsense born out of necessity rather than evidence. so we are still stuck with no explanation for how the crux is observable in the 2 locations.

We are still waiting for you to give us one shred of evidence that it is observable in those two locations AT THE SAME TIME.