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squevil

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complaint about moderator attitude
« on: December 30, 2012, 05:44:30 PM »
lately the moderators here have been setting a really bad example. they are being very aggressive towards posters for no reason and generally setting a bad example. all of which takes place in the upper forum.
ski banning a user for arguing a valid point was really the tip of the iceberg.
they need to relax a bit, being hostile to new posters and some of the comments they are making are really setting a bad example to the forum. any new posters will have no respect for them. if posters have no respect for the moderators then they will be unable to do their jobs effectively.

i do realise this is like trying to make a complaint about the police by going to the local police station, but the issue needs to be raised in S+C.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2012, 06:12:56 PM »
I am not trying to defend anyone, but I think the banned person was making the same post in several threads, being rude, and most of his posts were low content.  If we just allow people to do that, then the upper fora will turn into a playground in no time at all.

If you have other specific posts, please post a link so we can look into them.
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Lorddave

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2012, 06:31:47 PM »
Quote from: jroa on December 30, 2012, 06:12:56 PM
If you have other specific posts, please post a link so we can look into them.

This.

Also, if you know of who ski banned, we can look into that as well.
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squevil

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2012, 08:30:34 PM »
the person in question should of had a harsh pm sent. i think he was banned for being annoying. perhaps a janitor could of mopped it up before it got worse? i was going to tell piefag to keep it quiet myself as blabbing the same thing over and over is annoying. we all read the first post/thread. some people need to learn to understand the nature of the forum. yeah argue for RET, but jeeze get a grip.

ill see if i can find some posts that i noticed if i spot them again. over the last week there was a generally hostile vibe from some mods.

maybe they got coal for christmas.

(sorry i know its actually a serious point but i couldnt help myself).

to be honest i wouldnt expect anything to be done, i imagine they will all read this. my advice (for what its worth) is to set the best example and take all the noob questions freely. from my experience moderators well get a much better reaction from the users if they like/respect the moderators.


also dave, congrats i have noticed the majority think you bat for the other team now :D
whats the power like?
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 08:51:12 PM »
Quote from: squevil on December 30, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
the person in question should of had a harsh pm sent. i think he was banned for being annoying. perhaps a janitor could of mopped it up before it got worse? i was going to tell piefag to keep it quiet myself as blabbing the same thing over and over is annoying. we all read the first post/thread. some people need to learn to understand the nature of the forum. yeah argue for RET, but jeeze get a grip.
The name alone is offensive and against forum rules.

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to be honest i wouldnt expect anything to be done, i imagine they will all read this. my advice (for what its worth) is to set the best example and take all the noob questions freely. from my experience moderators well get a much better reaction from the users if they like/respect the moderators.
As I understand it, most noob questions are given proper respect for the most part.  Except when you're obnoxious.

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also dave, congrats i have noticed the majority think you bat for the other team now :D
whats the power like?
With power comes responsibility.  And work.
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squevil

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2012, 08:58:44 PM »
i shortened the name myself. see your inbox :)

also a piefag from where i live just means you smoke pies.

one other point worth raising. the forum is called the flat earth society and gives the impression that everyone here thinks the earth is flat. new people will start posting like an arse. its the members and moderators, errr, duty (?) to put them on the right track. not fight fire with fire.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2012, 09:02:19 PM by squevil »
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 03:55:55 AM »
Quote from: squevil on December 30, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
the person in question should of had a harsh pm sent.

This sums up every ban ever issued by Ski. It's nothing new.
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Thork

Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 09:26:22 AM »
This is because I've had a week off over xmas. The FErs feel under the gun, the noobs don't have anyone to fear, the mods have lost their calming influence and the whole place has gone to hell.

That's how it is in my head. Don't try to change it. It makes me happy.


@Squevil. Its a funny time of year. Its stressful for some ... maybe for financial or social reasons. People's minds turn to other things. Maybe tempers flair more easily or patience runs a little more thin. The mods are unpaid users of the site like you. They are human, emotional and fallible. So stop being a little b*tch. :P

Oh, and Happy New Year!  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 09:36:51 AM by Thork »
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 12:41:57 PM »
The moderators for the most part except Ski do an great job, and god bless them for their tireless service.
But one question, Why cant the good moderators be rewarded with a percentage of the T shirt money?
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 12:51:26 PM »
Ski banned Pythagoras. His stated reason for the ban was that Pythagoras had been essentially making the same post over and over again with different wordings and was generally being annoying. Ski was then quite rude about it when I mentioned that this was perhaps a bit of an abuse of powers (I didn't make a thread in S&C because I didn't feel like being the person to make a stink about it). This leads me to believe he was probably having a bad day and Pythagoras being an idiot was the last straw for him. However, as far as I know he had not broken any actual rules at the time of his ban, so I feel it was rather unjustified.

Here's the link to the thread: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57071.0.html#.UOH5muRtqzk


Edit: actually, thinking about it some more I suspect his posting technically counted as spam, so I guess the bam was kind of justified.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 12:54:28 PM by Tausami »
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 12:52:30 PM »
Quote from: jroa on December 30, 2012, 06:12:56 PM
I am not trying to defend anyone, but I think the banned person was making the same post in several threads, being rude, and most of his posts were low content.  If we just allow people to do that, then the upper fora will turn into a playground in no time at all.

Frankly, I'd rather hand out two-day bans such as this one like candy than nag incessantly about manners. If you don't know that being a jerk is not acceptable, a PM or speech from me probably isn't going to make you see the light. If you don't already have them, then maybe you can learn them by consequences. Markjo politely asked, "Please don't ..." a hundred times a day. Noone ever paid him any mind; if anything, several of you treated him like bigger jerks than before. Giving the poster a short time out is not "aggressive", it's rehabilitory.
The poster in question started several threads on the same subject in less than a week, ignoring responses in favour of trying to be antagonizing. He's been here a full month, which is plenty of time to either contribute something useful to the discussion or move on. There is no need for a clutter of new threads by the same person on a subject going nowhere because he is simply repeating himself rudely instead of engaging the topic. Noone wants to read it.

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... the noobs don't have anyone to fear...

While said in jest, this is the kernel of truth. The issue certainly isn't how draconian rule enforcement has been. If you cannot take part in civil discourse, confine yourself to angry ranting or move along. I don't understand why people come here to argue anyway. If don't register at a Space.com and tell them they are all rubes for falling for the hoax that is space exploration. To what end? People will believe what they will believe. And I'm certain that if I posted there in the antagonistic and condescending manner that posters here use, I would be banned after two posts.
 
I simply don't consider asking people to abide by our very lenient rules "being very aggressive towards posters for no reason", squevil. We can try to hug it out in 2013.

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2012, 12:52:41 PM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on December 31, 2012, 12:41:57 PM
But one question, Why cant the good moderators be rewarded with a percentage of the T shirt money?

An even better question is why people who spend money on T-shirts can't be rewarded with T-shirts.
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 12:56:19 PM »
Ski banned Pythagoras???
  >:(
 :'(

This surely is an abuse of powers.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 12:57:29 PM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on December 31, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
Ski banned Pythagoras???
  >:(
 :'(

This surely is an abuse of powers.

I thought that was who we were discussing? Did he bam someone else as well?
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 01:39:33 PM »
Seriously, FES?

A generic noob, with absolutely nothing unique or intelligent to say, nothing to distinguish them from the thousands of generic noobs we routinely run through, gets a two-day ban for spamming up the debate forums with inane repetition, and you still feel the need to run crying and sobbing to S&C?

Get a fucking life.  This is pathetic.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2012, 01:45:09 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on December 31, 2012, 01:39:33 PM
Seriously, FES?

A generic noob, with absolutely nothing unique or intelligent to say, nothing to distinguish them from the thousands of generic noobs we routinely run through, gets banned for spamming up the debate forums with inane repetition, and you still feel the need to run crying and sobbing to S&C?

Get a fucking life.  This is pathetic.

I read this like the Saddam in your avatar was saying it. It greatly improved the post.

Anyway, yeah. We want to have a moderation of laws, and not of people. Is that really so terrible? We don't want to be like Landover where the mods ban anyone they don't like or disagree with. That's why we put up with TK for so long, and it's why we question every time someone gets banned for questionable reasons. What's wrong with that?
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Lorddave

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2012, 02:05:14 PM »
I don't think the problem was that he got banned. I think it was the responses from ski prior to it. Pythagoras got to him and pushed his buttons until he became less friendly.

Pythagoras should have been banned sooner. :(


Wait, if he got banned, why is he still posting?
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2012, 02:07:47 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on December 31, 2012, 02:05:14 PM
I don't think the problem was that he got banned. I think it was the responses from ski prior to it. Pythagoras got to him and pushed his buttons until he became less friendly.

Pythagoras should have been banned sooner. :(


Wait, if he got banned, why is he still posting?

It was just a two day ban. Nothing serious.
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 02:53:19 PM »
I think Ski should banned for the same time, 48 hours.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 03:33:39 PM »
Quote from: Tausami on December 31, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on December 31, 2012, 02:05:14 PM
I don't think the problem was that he got banned. I think it was the responses from ski prior to it. Pythagoras got to him and pushed his buttons until he became less friendly.

Pythagoras should have been banned sooner. :(


Wait, if he got banned, why is he still posting?

It was just a two day ban. Nothing serious.
Oh.  Must have been 2 days ago.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 03:48:27 PM »
not just my ban but he moved a thread of mine to the nonsense area for a stupid reason

Pythagoras,

You have received a warning for low content posting.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57090.0.html

Please be contributive to the forums.

Regards,
Ski

my post was in no way low content ???
and weas in the general area which in its title button says



Flat Earth General
For the discussion of any FE topics unrelated to Flat Earth Theory. Conspiracy topics belong here.

so how did my post not fit in their? just seams like he is targeting me for no reason realy. plus he banned my during a debate on the topic we were talking about of which he was losing. seems suspicious to me.
 
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 04:03:29 PM »
many "Conspiracy" topics get posted in FE General without bans.
Ski has  misused his or her moderator powers.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2012, 04:06:58 PM »
which is why i belive its personal. and ask that my thread be put back please
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 04:41:58 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 31, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
not just my ban but he moved a thread of mine to the nonsense area for a stupid reason

Pythagoras,

You have received a warning for low content posting.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,57090.0.html

Please be contributive to the forums.

Regards,
Ski

my post was in no way low content ???
and weas in the general area which in its title button says



Flat Earth General
For the discussion of any FE topics unrelated to Flat Earth Theory. Conspiracy topics belong here.

so how did my post not fit in their? just seams like he is targeting me for no reason realy. plus he banned my during a debate on the topic we were talking about of which he was losing. seems suspicious to me.
I'd have moved that too. It's nonsense and deserves to be there.
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Pythagoras

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2012, 04:46:07 PM »
It's general in the general section. May I suggest if general things can't be put in their then the name be alterd to general topics about flat earth theory? Please.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2012, 04:49:20 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 31, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
It's general in the general section. May I suggest if general things can't be put in their then the name be alterd to general topics about flat earth theory? Please.
The existence of an island is irrelevant to the shape of the Earth.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2012, 04:50:19 PM »
It was a spammy joke thread, you really shouldn't be surprised it was moved. If you want your threads to stay in the upper forums, even when they're nonsense, you have to do a better job of covering up the nonsense.
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Pythagoras

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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2012, 04:51:19 PM »
I was actualy going somewhere whit the thread but wasn't given the chance
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2012, 05:09:13 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 31, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
I was actualy going somewhere whit the thread but wasn't given the chance

You can't just make a nonsense thread in the serious boards. Obviously it was to make a point, and the point was rather obvious. Trust me, nobody missed it. But it was still a nonsense thread and you shouldn't be surprised that it was moved. Many forums would have banned you for it. Be thankful that we're so lenient.
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Re: complaint about moderator attitude
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2012, 05:11:10 PM »
People don't like the way you post.  Deal with it or stop posting.  You seem to enjoy antagonizing people.
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