# Flat earth distances just dont work

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#### Pythagoras

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##### Flat earth distances just dont work
« on: December 27, 2012, 05:34:57 AM »
the scheduled flight from LA to Melbourne is operated by Quantis using the airbus A380. the length of its flight path is 7,921 miles. the airbus A380 has a maximum range of 9,500. now the distance in FE between these cites appears ( i cant work out because you don't have a map. lol ) to be far greater than 9500 miles. so my question is how do these flights take place?

also lets look at the flight path of a non stop flight from Dubai to Sao-Paulo.
Real world flight path

FE flight path
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/flatearthorigionalfligh.png/

notice the huge differences it flight path? do the pilots not notice? passengers? aircraft control? does no one notice that it dosnt fly over the countries its supposed to or the direction its supposed to? what about the rage. the aircraft are pushing it for range in the real world and plane and simple dont have the range in a wrong flat earth model.

#### Pythagoras

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 05:39:10 AM »
this is a flight path model that could work with the direction of travel problem but as a result increases greatly the distance traveled. which is already beyond maximum range in the 1st flat earth model flight path so also wouldn't work.

#### Tintagel

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 08:12:19 AM »
Regarding your 'real world' flight path, I'm not sure how accurate that flight path actually is.  It is a representation of the "shortest apparent distance," sure, but it is not a path that a flight will necessarily take.  Flight paths generally run along the jet stream or with tailwinds, so they change.  These images show the differing flight paths from Dubai to Sao Paolo at different times of year - the flight paths change based not upon distance, but wind.

Those are four widely varying paths, none of which take the apparent shortest route.  These flight paths have less to do with the shape of the earth and more to do with the weather conditions and winds.  The "May" route comes closest, thanks to coincidentally favorable winds.   Aircraft routes are not proof of the earth's shape, spheroid or plane.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2012, 08:16:32 AM by Tintagel »

#### Dinosaur Neil

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 09:49:45 AM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.
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#### Pythagoras

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 10:16:04 AM »
notice on a flat earth a flight from Dubai to soa paulo crosses the med and approaches Brazil from the north? completely different to what can be seen in reality. and yes the maps you show me still show the routs on a round earth, the same as my flight path just in a bit more detail because i couldn't find a better picture. so thanks for providing me with the better picture but my original point still stands.

#### Tintagel

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 01:05:11 PM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.

Those flight paths are accurate, so apparently not.

notice on a flat earth a flight from Dubai to soa paulo crosses the med and approaches Brazil from the north? completely different to what can be seen in reality. and yes the maps you show me still show the routs on a round earth, the same as my flight path just in a bit more detail because i couldn't find a better picture. so thanks for providing me with the better picture but my original point still stands.

I notice that the line you arbitrarily drew does that, sure.  But flight paths don't work that way, pilots are flying under the false assumption that the earth is a sphere, and moreover, the FE map you keep referring to isn't entirely accurate.  I am aware of the distortion, but until we get a few pilots and cartographers among our ranks, unfortunately, that's the way it will have to stay.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2012, 01:15:46 PM by Tintagel »

#### Dinosaur Neil

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 03:38:02 PM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.

Those flight paths are accurate, so apparently not.

Yes, they're accurate. Yet if the earth was flat, they'd be nonsense routes. Give yourself a gold star. People in history didn't determine routes by looking at a globe and working out where to go, because half the map was blank. They explored and worked out the distances by actual travel.
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#### Tintagel

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 04:55:25 PM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.

Those flight paths are accurate, so apparently not.

Yes, they're accurate. Yet if the earth was flat, they'd be nonsense routes. Give yourself a gold star. People in history didn't determine routes by looking at a globe and working out where to go, because half the map was blank. They explored and worked out the distances by actual travel.

Interesting.  I wasn't aware aircraft pilots used the logs of the travels of Magellan as a guide, I thought their planes had compasses instead

#### Dinosaur Neil

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 04:24:40 AM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.

Those flight paths are accurate, so apparently not.

Yes, they're accurate. Yet if the earth was flat, they'd be nonsense routes. Give yourself a gold star. People in history didn't determine routes by looking at a globe and working out where to go, because half the map was blank. They explored and worked out the distances by actual travel.

Interesting.  I wasn't aware aircraft pilots used the logs of the travels of Magellan as a guide, I thought their planes had compasses instead

Ah, deliberate misunderstanding in an attempt to derail this time.
No, what you clearly understand but are misrepresenting is that the same principles apply to sea routes as they do to air routes, and the original sea routes were found by travelling, not by looking at the map. Meaning that if there was a shorter route across oceans, it would be known about already.
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#### Lord Wilmore

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 06:14:40 PM »
Tintagel, all those flight paths you posted are still wildly different from what they'd be in FE world. You are derailing on inconsequential minutiae in order to sidestep the problem, which you do not address.

The OP posts an objection, and Tintagel shows that the objection is bunk. Somehow, this is FE sidestepping a problem that was never presented in the first place?

Here's a protip for RE'ers: present your argument so we can address it, instead of presenting bunk arguments and then criticising us for not addressing your secret 'real' arguments.
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#### Pythagoras

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 04:03:33 AM »
My argument is that flat earth distances make allot of Southern Hemisphere flight routs longer than the planes maximum range. How can you anserw this? Are plane manufacturers in on the conspiracy as well?

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#### New Earth

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 05:24:07 AM »
the scheduled flight from LA to Melbourne is operated by Quantis using the airbus A380. the length of its flight path is 7,921 miles. the airbus A380 has a maximum range of 9,500. now the distance in FE between these cites appears ( i cant work out because you don't have a map. lol ) to be far greater than 9500 miles. so my question is how do these flights take place?

also lets look at the flight path of a non stop flight from Dubai to Sao-Paulo.
Real world flight path

FE flight path
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/flatearthorigionalfligh.png/

notice the huge differences it flight path? do the pilots not notice? passengers? aircraft control? does no one notice that it dosnt fly over the countries its supposed to or the direction its supposed to? what about the rage. the aircraft are pushing it for range in the real world and plane and simple dont have the range in a wrong flat earth model.

OK right there you can see that miles on a globe are fake and just do not add up. Take a look at the globe. According to what you just stated the distance between L.A and Australia is almost 8,000 miles. Now take a look at the continental U.S. The supposed distance between LA and NY is almost 3,000 miles. Now look how relatively close NY is to LA on a supposed globe and you wanna tell me that the distance from LA to Australia is less then three times greater. Look at how large pacific ocean is, you can fit dozens of United States between the coast of N America and Australia, there should be at least 10,000 or 11,000 miles between LA and Melbourne, according to the globe, its so obvious they lie about all these distances. This is precisely why no accurate flat earth map was ever constructed because we still have a global prespective on World's geography and try to work with round earth maps to create flat earth map, often not realizing that this is the first mistake on making real FE map.
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#### Pythagoras

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2013, 05:36:18 AM »
The distance between LA and Australia? 1 city to another country? What part of Australia? North? South? Central? Sydney? Bieng a bit vague arnt you? So on a flat earth what is the distance between LA and Australia? Because they only just make it on a round earth and in FE the distance is quite a bit further. Don't forget the the map RE uses distorts distances as well. its a globular projection on to a flat surface after all. just no where near as much by a long shot as FE that's why distances don't always quite look right but but they are a magnitude more accurate than FE.

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#### bowler

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##### Re: Flat earth distances just dont work
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2013, 11:56:15 AM »
One has to differentiate between a measurement and a limit. A flight time provides an upper distance on the distance between two cities. If a flight takes 18 hours (this is about the maximum endurance of a commercial airliner) assuming that all that time the plane is traveling at 600 mph with respect to the ground then the MAXIMUM distance between the cities is 10800 miles. It may be less as the plane might not have quite found the best route, but it certainly can't be further than that. In reality the cities on these routes (USA to the far east) are not that separated as planes do not travel at their maximum speed the entire time.

More interesting is the oft quoted Sydney to Santiago route as in RET this is not a massive flight; 14 hours direct travelling from Santiago to Sydney (is only 12.5 the other way) according to skyscanner. Again assuming that the planes travel at 600 mph (best to select an overestimate) we have a maximum distance of 8400 miles. It may be less but it cannot be more. This figure is somewhat at tension with the figure shown previously in this thread.