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What do you think about this video, guys?

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What do you think about this video, guys?
« on: December 06, 2012, 01:57:21 PM »
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 06:16:34 AM »
FET people don't believe in math so wont understand. they only understand math when it suets them which is usually never because they did the math wrong and actually proves them wrong by which time they leave the thread and don't post on it again. its quite funny to watch actually.
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Tintagel

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 06:29:43 AM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 06:16:34 AM
FET people don't believe in math so wont understand.

Generalize much?  I certainly believe in math.  Math is a tool, and is used even in 'accepted' scientific circles to argue for two sides of an issue.  To both prove and disprove the existence of aether, for instance.

I thought the video was quite entertaining.  I'm an advocate for critical thinking and would agree that our youth should be given all the tools they need to develop those skills.  Then we could maybe see a little more civil discourse around here rather than the endless stream of snarky, sarcastic jabs. (No offense to those who delight in snark!  I just feel it's counterproductive)
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 07:13:05 AM »
What I find counter constructive are comments like this should be taught is school, why would we teach nonsense to impressionable children. maby we should teach children snow is created by snowmen in the clouds. Maby we should teach children that baby's are deliverd by stalks to their perants door step. or FET believers obviosuly thinking they are superior to everyone else because hey believe they are the chosen few who has outsmarted the conspirators. Science has used math to prove the earth is wrong, the same math that is used in every day life, but is now disregarded as wrong because it dosent fit the flat earth theory ( I use the word theory lossly)
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Tintagel

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 09:16:51 AM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 07:13:05 AM
What I find counter constructive are comments like this should be taught is school, why would we teach nonsense to impressionable children. maby we should teach children snow is created by snowmen in the clouds. Maby we should teach children that baby's are deliverd by stalks to their perants door step. or FET believers obviosuly thinking they are superior to everyone else because hey believe they are the chosen few who has outsmarted the conspirators. Science has used math to prove the earth is wrong, the same math that is used in every day life, but is now disregarded as wrong because it dosent fit the flat earth theory ( I use the word theory lossly)
Again with the hostility, I've given you no reason to use such vitriol, as I always go out of my way to be civil and receptive to everyone regardless of what shape they think the earth is.  If you're not going to bring anything relevant to the conversation except for a nonsensical rant that has no bearing on anything we're actually discussing, then I'll kindly refrain from further interaction with you.  The only thing you're truly assaulting in these tirades is the English language, considering how atrocious your spelling and grammar is, and if I may be so bold, your user name is an insult to Pythagoras' memory.

Good day, sir.
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 09:20:36 AM »
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 09:27:33 AM »
Thank you. I'm dyslexic and I try my hardest use the spell check but it isn't perfect bt I try my hardest. I didn't realise you had to know who's to spell to be able to have constructive thaugts. And as to aggressive a didn't realise writen language was a perfect medium show emotion through. Nothing I say is ment aggressively but with dispare most of the time. It's like trying to convince someone who is holding an orange but thinks its an apple that it is a orange.
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 10:34:28 AM »
Quote from: Pongo on December 07, 2012, 09:20:36 AM
Quote from: lmb32 on December 06, 2012, 01:57:21 PM
#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Common Physics Misconceptions

Just tell me what you though.

Round-earth propaganda.

Actually minutePhysics posts educational physic videos, so he's not a "conspirer". He wast just criticizing the denialism found in the society, where people don't want to accept things even with scientific prof, they just believe what they see or think, "I think X is like that, so I must be right" That's the kind of though he is criticizing.
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 12:01:45 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 06:16:34 AM
FET people don't believe in math so wont understand. they only understand math when it suets them which is usually never because they did the math wrong and actually proves them wrong by which time they leave the thread and don't post on it again. its quite funny to watch actually.

I think your post is hysterical seeing as I've had to teach countless globularists the math denoted in the video. How many pages on "The earth would be going faster than the speed of light..." have we had to answer precisely because globularists don't understand the general principles put forth in the video. It's only slightly ironic that the presenter thinks we should challenge indoctrinated dogma until he gets to the shape of the earth which he assumes a priori.

Much more ironic is this comment by you:
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 05, 2012, 08:28:11 AM
in fact if earth accelerates at the speed flat earth theory suggests we would by now be doing many million times the speed of light ... and that's ignoring the fact that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. unless anyone can re invent the the theory of general relativity.

Which is completely at odds with both known science and the video.
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FET people I don't believe in math so wont understand. they I only understand math when it suets them me which is usually never because they I did the math wrong and actually proves them me wrong

If only you had watched the video before making your snarky, uneducated comments...
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 12:44:31 PM »
Okey then. How fast would a object be traveling in constantly accelerating at the speed UA suggests after 1 year? I'm very aware that a object with mass can reach the speed of light. But requires explinentianly more energy the closer you reach the speed of light. Where does this constantly increasing source of energy come from?
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 12:52:32 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Okey then. How fast would a object be traveling in constantly accelerating at the speed UA suggests after 1 year?

Relative to whom? 
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 12:57:41 PM »
Quote from: Tintagel on December 07, 2012, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Okey then. How fast would a object be traveling in constantly accelerating at the speed UA suggests after 1 year?

Relative to whom?

Relative to the object accelerating. Not an outside observer. The object itself.
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Thork

Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 01:04:43 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Okey then. How fast would a object be traveling in constantly accelerating at the speed UA suggests after 1 year? I'm very aware that a object with mass can reach the speed of light. But requires explinentianly more energy the closer you reach the speed of light. Where does this constantly increasing source of energy come from?
I thought you were good at maths?

You need to consider special relativity ...
The equation to calculate your speed is an asymptote. You never reach light speed a constant acceleration of 9.81m/s as counter intuitive as that may sound.

The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

According to the theory of special relativity, earth accelerating at one standard gravity (9.80665 m/sē) will have the speeds shown below.

T (days), v/c
10, 0.028255
20, 0.056465
30, 0.084586
40, 0.112572
50, 0.140380
60, 0.167969
70, 0.195298
80, 0.222326
90, 0.249017
100, 0.275335
110, 0.301246
120, 0.326721
130, 0.351729
140, 0.376245
150, 0.400245
160, 0.423708
170, 0.446617
180, 0.468954
190, 0.490707
200, 0.511865
210, 0.532420
220, 0.552366
230, 0.571698
240, 0.590416
250, 0.608520
260, 0.626012
270, 0.642895
280, 0.659176
290, 0.674862
300, 0.689961
310, 0.704482
320, 0.718437
330, 0.731836
340, 0.744692
350, 0.757019
360, 0.768829
1 year, 0.774818
400, 0.811193
500, 0.888158
600, 0.934877
700, 0.962469
2 years, 0.968315
800, 0.978500
900, 0.987726
1000, 0.993007
3 years, 0.995924
4 years, 0.999482
5 years, 0.999934

So it will never get to the speed of light. It will tend towards light speed, but never ever ever get there.

So FET is sound in this respect too.
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 01:07:39 PM »
Quote from: Thork on December 07, 2012, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Okey then. How fast would a object be traveling in constantly accelerating at the speed UA suggests after 1 year? I'm very aware that a object with mass can reach the speed of light. But requires explinentianly more energy the closer you reach the speed of light. Where does this constantly increasing source of energy come from?
I thought you were good at maths?

You need to consider special relativity ...
The equation to calculate your speed is an asymptote. You never reach light speed a constant acceleration of 9.81m/s as counter intuitive as that may sound.

The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

According to the theory of special relativity, earth accelerating at one standard gravity (9.80665 m/sē) will have the speeds shown below.

T (days), v/c
10, 0.028255
20, 0.056465
30, 0.084586
40, 0.112572
50, 0.140380
60, 0.167969
70, 0.195298
80, 0.222326
90, 0.249017
100, 0.275335
110, 0.301246
120, 0.326721
130, 0.351729
140, 0.376245
150, 0.400245
160, 0.423708
170, 0.446617
180, 0.468954
190, 0.490707
200, 0.511865
210, 0.532420
220, 0.552366
230, 0.571698
240, 0.590416
250, 0.608520
260, 0.626012
270, 0.642895
280, 0.659176
290, 0.674862
300, 0.689961
310, 0.704482
320, 0.718437
330, 0.731836
340, 0.744692
350, 0.757019
360, 0.768829
1 year, 0.774818
400, 0.811193
500, 0.888158
600, 0.934877
700, 0.962469
2 years, 0.968315
800, 0.978500
900, 0.987726
1000, 0.993007
3 years, 0.995924
4 years, 0.999482
5 years, 0.999934

So it will never get to the speed of light. It will tend towards light speed, but never ever ever get there.

So FET is sound in this respect too.

Iv never proclaimed to been a expert at maths just a keen interest in science technology and logic. Okay so after a couple of billions of years of aceleration where does the ever increasing amount of energy come from?
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Thork

Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 01:11:15 PM »
Dark Energy is responsible for creating the universal acceleration. Dark Energy is incredibly abundant in the universe. Consider all the matter, stars plantes etc in the universe. It is a tiny proportion of the universe compared with dark energy. There is an almost inexhaustible supply. I hear often that Dark Energy would need to be colossal to get earth accelerating towards the speed of light. Well there is a colossal amount of it. It is 73% of infinity.

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Pythagoras

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2012, 01:16:38 PM »
Yes it may be extremely abundant but not infinite. And after billions of years of acceleration the energy requierd to move the whole flat earth universe would be near infinite and growing at enormous rates.
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Thork

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2012, 01:19:00 PM »
I just told you, its 73% of infinity. There is an abundant source able to provide 'enormous rates'.
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 01:21:32 PM »
Iv never seen any proof that their is anything in the universe is infinite?
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 01:28:13 PM »
I'm curious as to what shape the Earth would be after at least a few hundred years of the polar regions accelerating at 0.5% more than the equator.
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Thork

Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 01:29:07 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:21:32 PM
Iv never seen any proof that their is anything in the universe is infinite?
Can you quantify the universe? I can't. Its a number so big that I can't ascribe a number to it. Therefore, I will consider the universe to be infinity and dark matter thereby being 73% of infinity.

I assume you are splitting hairs because yet again the elegance of Flat Earth Theory has confounded your ill-conceived objections?

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2012, 01:29:48 PM »
Second that because its a measurable effect unless you deni this as well
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2012, 01:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
Second that because its a measurable effect unless you deni this as well
This is an English speaking forum. Please try to communicate in the de facto language as set out by the forum rules.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2012, 01:39:22 PM »
Do you resort to picking holes in spelling when you are losing arguments?
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2012, 01:40:52 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
Second that because its a measurable effect unless you deny this as well
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2012, 01:43:26 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:39:22 PM
Do you resort to picking holes in spelling when you are losing arguments?
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I'm losing this argument? You've no rebuttal at all. Unless that unintelligible post at the top of the page was it. However whilst its meaning may be clear to you, I've no idea what you were saying nor do I see any sources to back whatever it is you are trying to say.

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
Second that because its a measurable effect unless you deny this as well
Yes, that's the offending post. What are you seconding? What is measurable? What am I denying?
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Pythagoras

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2012, 01:52:27 PM »
No matter how large or inconsivable a number may be it dosnt make it infinite which means eventually the energy to constantly accelerate will run out.
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Thork

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2012, 01:54:07 PM »
Quote from: Pythagoras on December 07, 2012, 01:52:27 PM
No matter how large or inconsivable a number may be it dosnt make it infinite which means eventually the energy to constantly accelerate will run out.
The universe is 14.5 billion years old. So we haven't got to 'eventually' yet.
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Major Twang

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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2012, 02:08:44 PM »
Quote from: Thork on December 07, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
The universe is 14.5 billion years old. So we haven't got to 'eventually' yet.

13.75 +/- 0.11 billion years to be picky - according to a theory developed by astronomers using stuff like gravity & stars a million miles in diameter as an integral part of their scientific models.
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2012, 02:11:57 PM »
Every time I see that almost correct relativistic rocket exercise I die a little inside. Is there actually a single formal argument on this website for the Earth being flat other than that A-level physics exercise. I looked and I can't actually find one.
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Re: What do you think about this video, guys?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2012, 02:14:09 PM »
Quote from: Major Twang on December 07, 2012, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: Thork on December 07, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
The universe is 14.5 billion years old. So we haven't got to 'eventually' yet.

13.75 +/- 0.11 billion years to be picky - according to a theory developed by astronomers using stuff like gravity & stars a million miles in diameter as an integral part of their scientific models.

Even a blind pig finds a truffle occasionally.  (couldn't resist) ;)
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