Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers

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joffenz

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Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« on: November 29, 2012, 12:17:12 PM »
Hi, I'm just back on the FES and I had an idea - why not start a flat earth experimental research group. The object of said group would to carry out scientific experiments on all aspects of FE theory (samuel rowbothams experiments jump to mind). The object is to gather evidence for/against FE theory,

The group would be democratic and open to FE and RE believers. The only criteria is that experiments must be done professionally and fairly to both sides - this is not a FE research group, its a Zetetic (truth-seeking) group. So some of the evidence will be for FE, but some will be against it.

does anyone want to join me, if u do pls post a reply and also start thinking about what experiments we could do.



The first step has to be collecting ideas for experiments from sources, Im going to read Earth not a Globe for some ideas.
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Re: Zetetic Research Group (ZeRG) - accepting new members
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 12:58:52 PM »
Where do you live? I would be interested...Maryland
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Re: Zetetic Research Group (ZeRG) - accepting new members
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM »
Woah, blast from the past, cheesejoff! Good to see you back! I like this idea, but to be honest, I'm not going to commit to this too heavily unless you're going to be around long-term.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Research Group (ZeRG) - accepting new members
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 06:49:38 AM »
Where do you live? I would be interested...Maryland

I live in scotland but we can do experiments over the internet.

Lord Wilmore good to see u again (check ur pms btw) i see we have a wiki now, that looks promising.

Also wilmore could u tell the regulars about this group pls thnx
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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - accepting new members
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2012, 08:14:35 AM »
Tried to read "Earth Not a globe" but it was out of bandwidth apparently. Ill just have to get it off google.

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 10:41:44 AM »
Hi, I'm just back on the FES and I had an idea - why not start a flat earth experimental research group. The object of said group would to carry out scientific experiments on all aspects of FE theory (samuel rowbothams experiments jump to mind). The object is to gather evidence for/against FE theory,

The group would be democratic and open to FE and RE believers. The only criteria is that experiments must be done professionally and fairly to both sides - this is not a FE research group, its a Zetetic (truth-seeking) group. So some of the evidence will be for FE, but some will be against it.

does anyone want to join me, if u do pls post a reply and also start thinking about what experiments we could do.



The first step has to be collecting ideas for experiments from sources, Im going to read Earth not a Globe for some ideas.

Who are you?

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 12:31:20 PM »
I'm in

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2012, 12:41:46 PM »
Im the original writer of the FAQ.

Quote from the main page = "The Flat Earth Wiki - This extensive Wiki is based on a FAQ originally compiled by forums user cheesejoff. "

Tom you must have forgot me, i remember you well.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2012, 01:46:10 PM »
Im the original writer of the FAQ.

Quote from the main page = "The Flat Earth Wiki - This extensive Wiki is based on a FAQ originally compiled by forums user cheesejoff. "

Tom you must have forgot me, i remember you well.

Do you mean the FAQ which everyone hates and gets us constantly ridiculed by the press and public?

Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2012, 01:54:02 PM »
Would like to participate in any Zetetic research.

thanks.

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 03:27:18 AM »
Do you mean the FAQ which everyone hates and gets us constantly ridiculed by the press and public?

Yes actually although I only mean to say what I'm famous for, I'm not going to defend the FAQ since it has changed extensively since I last saw it.




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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 03:31:39 AM »
Would like to participate in any Zetetic research.

thanks.

good to hear, that makes u our third member.

Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2012, 12:55:02 AM »
I love this idea, real evidence and experiments are essential to backing up any claim for both sides. Fully support, however I cannot help myself.


P.s I hope you know "Zerg" are an evil race of aliens in the game Starcraft :P

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 08:16:06 AM »
I love this idea, real evidence and experiments are essential to backing up any claim for both sides. Fully support, however I cannot help myself.


P.s I hope you know "Zerg" are an evil race of aliens in the game Starcraft :P

Sure, im aware of the ZERG in starcraft.

I think the first experiment to do is the Bedford level experiment see this page for details:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm
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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 09:13:45 AM »
Oh the Bedford experiment. This thread is going nowhere then.
You may as well say the first experiment is a moon walk.

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 09:21:50 AM »
Whats wrong with the bedford experiment?  It seems valid to me, of course we will need to check the calculations and not assume rowbotham was correct. But we dont need to do it in Bedford itself, we can do it over the oceans or other bodies of water.

We need to check these calculations, as the whole experiment relies on it. (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm)



squevil if u have a better experiment, I'm all ears. Just post your ideas pls and we can carry them out.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 09:33:51 AM »
we can do it over the oceans

The experiment cannot be done on the ocean.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za33.htm

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 09:49:11 AM »
Ok later when I'm at work ill present an idea I have if I get chance.

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 10:23:19 AM »
we can do it over the oceans

The experiment cannot be done on the ocean.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za33.htm

Tom, forgive me but what is the reason for the oceans being unsuitable for experimentation? I have read the page you linked but Im not clear on the reason. Is it because of the waves? We could do it on a clear day.

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 10:28:19 AM »
Oceans have currents. Currents mean the water is moving. As soon as the water moves, you bust the experiment.

Below is a picture I took 2 days ago of a nearby river in flood.



Notice the surface of the river now has artificial curvature in it because its moving. So the Beford Level experiment must be done on a still body of water to remove curvature added by currents.

This is why it was done on a controlled drainage canal and not the River Ouse.
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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 10:32:30 AM »
What about on a perfectly calm day?

Heres a quote from rowbotham

"But even on the sea, when the water is very calm, if a vessel is observed until it is just "hull down," a powerful telescope turned upon it will restore the hull to sight. From which it must be concluded that the lower part of a receding ship disappears through the influence of perspective, and not from sinking behind the summit of a convex surface"

in other words the experiment, done on the ocean, was successful.

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Thork

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 10:34:58 AM »
Do ocean currents stop on a calm day? ::)

Rowbotham is explaining how a ships hull can disappear from sight, but for an experiment you need to be in charge of the variables.

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joffenz

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 10:41:38 AM »
No but the currents may be negligible on a calm day -  we could certainly attempt it on the ocean with the proviso that the results are not necessarily accurate.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 10:45:29 AM »
You would probably need to do such an experiment when tide activity is minimal as well.  I would think that the period when the tide is completely in or out would work best.  The action of the tide coming in or out could possibly skew the results.
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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2012, 10:46:56 AM »
Im the original writer of the FAQ.

Quote from the main page = "The Flat Earth Wiki - This extensive Wiki is based on a FAQ originally compiled by forums user cheesejoff. "

Tom you must have forgot me, i remember you well.

Do you mean the FAQ which everyone hates and gets us constantly ridiculed by the press and public?

It's not the FAQ that makes you a laughing stock, it's your silly theory.

Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2012, 11:31:32 AM »
I proposed an experiement awhile back.
It would be performed on a salt flat.
To ballons with a light source would be lifted to 100 ft. 
They would be seperated by 15 miles. 
One ballon would carry a video camera. 
If the camera was able to detect the light from the other balloon, a Planar earth.

Unfortunatly I do not live near a salt flat.

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2012, 11:34:06 AM »
No but the currents may be negligible on a calm day -  we could certainly attempt it on the ocean with the proviso that the results are not necessarily accurate.

The next chapter On the Dimension of Ocean Waves has average heights of waves listed in various weather conditions, as published by Admiral Coupvent de Bois. In fair weather the height of ocean waves is over 3 feet

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Re: Zetetic Experimental Research Group (ZeRG) - need volunteers
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2012, 11:52:26 AM »
This is the one reason I dismissed it strait away. On other thing that needs mentioning is that the rate of curvature in Enag is wrong, but I bet that statement is contested too. There are enough pictures on here that show that the Bedford level experiment can be inconclusive.