Should we get rid of Texas?

He's talking about the US economy, not the money the government has.

Economy is, in a large part, based on money. If the money is all borrowed, your economy sucks, and is bound to fail.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on November 26, 2012, 01:17:56 PM

He's talking about the US economy, not the money the government has.

Economy is, in a large part, based on money. If the money is all borrowed, your economy sucks, and is bound to fail.

The federal budget is not the economy.

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 26, 2012, 01:38:24 PM

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on November 26, 2012, 01:17:56 PM

He's talking about the US economy, not the money the government has.

Economy is, in a large part, based on money. If the money is all borrowed, your economy sucks, and is bound to fail.

The federal budget is not the economy.

I know that, but if the federal budget collapse, the US economy will sure have a mess on it's hands, and the federal government has spread their fingers into every economic sector in the country and make huge contributions, including, but not limited to, welfare, aerospace, roads, policing, energy, research, space exploration, the internet, technological development, banks, the auto industry, oil and gas production.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on November 26, 2012, 12:33:04 PM

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 26, 2012, 11:58:44 AM

The world does seem to be backing out of the US dollar, bit by bit. China is stronger right now. I think the world will survive without the US.

The US is the single largest GDP economy in the world. The economic crises of other nation would be of untold magnitude if the US were to just disappear.

I'm fairly certain that the US won't just disappear. But the US's money is all borrowed money. I'm pretty sure China would be okay without the US, as they lent the US most of the money that it uses now.

No, China would crash and burn without the US markets.  Right now they're burning through cash like there's no tomorrow.  They also tax their citizens to seemingly no end.  I've read stories that toll bridges for tractor trailers can be as much as $100.  China relies on the US manufacturing small items there and selling them worldwide.  If the US markets vanish, the sudden loss would mean massive unemployment in China which would translate to economic ruin.


The budget deficit is rather meaningless.  We've had a deficit since the day we declared independence and only once paid it off.  While it's a good idea to keep it from getting too far out of control, it's not something we need to suddenly stop doing or we'll be doomed but rather something we should wind down if possible.

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

Yet when the federal government threatens to cut off money to the states, they all fall in line.
Who has the power?

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

I thought that the purpose of the petitions is to show that there are a bunch of idiots living in the States. They could of course have saved themselves the trouble since we already knew that.

Quote from: RE or FE? on November 26, 2012, 10:01:27 PM

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

Yet when the federal government threatens to cut off money to the states, they all fall in line.
Who has the power?

Ideals can sometimes be stronger than money. It's like when the American colonists complained about taxes and said they were fed up, so the British made a show of power with more troops and higher taxes. I'm aware that there were other issues, but guess what happened next?

Quote from: Lorddave on November 27, 2012, 03:08:24 AM

Quote from: RE or FE? on November 26, 2012, 10:01:27 PM

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

Yet when the federal government threatens to cut off money to the states, they all fall in line.
Who has the power?

Ideals can sometimes be stronger than money. It's like when the American colonists complained about taxes and said they were fed up, so the British made a show of power with more troops and higher taxes. I'm aware that there were other issues, but guess what happened next?

It was more taxation without representation. Not so much the tax itself.

And while I agree, most people in power will not agree with you. And that's why they get elected.

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 27, 2012, 07:06:10 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 27, 2012, 03:08:24 AM

Quote from: RE or FE? on November 26, 2012, 10:01:27 PM

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

Yet when the federal government threatens to cut off money to the states, they all fall in line.
Who has the power?

Ideals can sometimes be stronger than money. It's like when the American colonists complained about taxes and said they were fed up, so the British made a show of power with more troops and higher taxes. I'm aware that there were other issues, but guess what happened next?

It was more taxation without representation. Not so much the tax itself.

And while I agree, most people in power will not agree with you. And that's why they get elected.

It's strange that they don't agree, and rather unhealthy in my opinion. Those are the thoughts that this country was founded upon, and it's what made us strong and rise to a superpower. Now we've lost that. We're loosing our grip on the constitution, and consequently our freedoms. It's slowly falling apart, just like every other great empire.

There are more than 40 states with petitions to secede.  First understand why a state would want to secede.  Then read the US Constitution especially the 10th Amendment regarding Reserved Powers.  Without this very powerful amendment we would be living as communists.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The purpose of the petitions is to let the federal government know the states have power and are not beholden to a central government if those interests are not in the interest of its citizens.

IT'S THE REASON WE TOLD THE BRITISH TO FUCK OFF.

No, the purpose of the petitions is to whine and bitch about Obama winning.  The people who are creating and signing these petitions are not representative of their states, and a huge amount of them aren't even from the states they're signing the petitions for.