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Re: Disney and Star Wars
« Reply #90 on: January 24, 2013, 04:32:56 PM »
Well, he is a star wars fan. He'll probably make a better wars movie than trek.

Also, does this mean that the two great sci-fi universes will finally be united?
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« Reply #91 on: January 24, 2013, 04:36:04 PM »
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« Reply #92 on: January 24, 2013, 04:58:46 PM »
It was an alright movie, well put together for a mass audience. I would have preferred a proper Star Trek movie, but that wouldn't have made as much money. Didn't hate it though.

Star Wars is a much easier formula to get right for a mass audience, so long as Lucas is kept as far away as possible.
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« Reply #93 on: January 24, 2013, 05:06:05 PM »
While on topic:

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">J.J. Abrams to direct Star Wars VII? Mr. Plinkett agrees.

And this comment for anyone who is blind and/or lazy:

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I hope J.J. Abrams stays faithful to the Jar Jar Binks character... his arc was really well constructed and interesting. It didn't feel out of place or anything. That's what I love about the prequels, they blend so seamlessly with the original trilogy. I mean, they could have really messed those up by, like, making the "older" technology of the prequels look anachronically advanced or creating overly complicated back-stories that needlessly tie beloved characters together.
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« Reply #94 on: January 24, 2013, 05:19:22 PM »
Quote from: Oscar on January 24, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 24, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
Well, he is a star wars fan.

How do you know this?
I read it in an article somewhere.  He admits to loving star wars but never seeing star trek prior to signing on to do the trek film reboot.


Quote from: Vindictus on January 24, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
It was an alright movie, well put together for a mass audience. I would have preferred a proper Star Trek movie, but that wouldn't have made as much money. Didn't hate it though.

Star Wars is a much easier formula to get right for a mass audience, so long as Lucas is kept as far away as possible.
This is my feeling as well.
Except I wish they didn't make it.  I'd rather have let Star Trek die than to be turned into this mass audience crap.
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« Reply #95 on: January 24, 2013, 06:15:27 PM »
Quote from: Oscar on January 24, 2013, 05:57:17 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 24, 2013, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: Oscar on January 24, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on January 24, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
Well, he is a star wars fan.

How do you know this?
I read it in an article somewhere.  He admits to loving star wars but never seeing star trek prior to signing on to do the trek film reboot.

What film director doesn't say that they love Star Wars? That isn't the mark of a fan at all. I know people who enthusiastically "love" Star Wars and they call AT-ATs "camel walkers" - in other words, they're posers who don't know shit.

Hipster.
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« Reply #96 on: January 25, 2013, 12:55:37 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2013, 03:06:52 AM »
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« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM »
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on January 25, 2013, 12:55:37 AM
Quote from: Blanko on January 24, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Vindictus on January 24, 2013, 04:30:29 PM
http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii?abthid=5101aa1e8edfc2245c0000cc

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

(was I really the only one who fucking hated the Star Trek film?)

I liked it once I stopped seeing it as a 'Star Trek' film.

See, the thing is, I've never seen any other form of Star Trek and I wouldn't give two fucks about whether it's "loyal to the original" or not because it's a reboot. No, I think it failed as a movie first and foremost, not as fan pandering (though I'm sure it failed at that too).

It was full of shitty and exhausting Michael Bay visuals, the plot is completely inane, and the main character (you know, the one we're supposed to root for) is written as an obnoxious twat, and they even included a plot device where he could become the captain by being an obnoxious twat. He's an unlikeable character and you never get the sense of the "rising into greatness" type of story it was supposed to be, because he was getting away with shit by being annoying and he never deserved the captain's seat in the first place.
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« Reply #99 on: January 25, 2013, 06:36:22 AM »
Quote from: Blanko on January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
the main character (you know, the one we're supposed to root for) is written as an obnoxious twat, and they even included a plot device where he could become the captain by being an obnoxious twat.

That sounds like James T. Kirk to me, and I haven't even seen the recent reboot yet.
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« Reply #100 on: January 25, 2013, 07:08:29 AM »
Quote from: Blanko on January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
I've never seen any other form of Star Trek
What are you waiting for?
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« Reply #101 on: January 25, 2013, 11:29:56 AM »
How far along are you in your Treking, Parsifal?
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« Reply #102 on: January 25, 2013, 12:13:41 PM »
Quote from: Blanko on January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
See, the thing is, I've never seen any other form of Star Trek and I wouldn't give two fucks about whether it's "loyal to the original" or not because it's a reboot. No, I think it failed as a movie first and foremost, not as fan pandering (though I'm sure it failed at that too).

It was full of shitty and exhausting Michael Bay visuals, the plot is completely inane, and the main character (you know, the one we're supposed to root for) is written as an obnoxious twat, and they even included a plot device where he could become the captain by being an obnoxious twat. He's an unlikeable character and you never get the sense of the "rising into greatness" type of story it was supposed to be, because he was getting away with shit by being annoying and he never deserved the captain's seat in the first place.

Most people agree that it didn't fail as a movie at all, only as a Star Trek movie. You need to expand on some of these points, because it seems to me that you just didn't like the movie (which is fine).
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« Reply #103 on: January 25, 2013, 12:17:27 PM »
Quote from: Blanko on January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on January 25, 2013, 12:55:37 AM
Quote from: Blanko on January 24, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Vindictus on January 24, 2013, 04:30:29 PM
http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii?abthid=5101aa1e8edfc2245c0000cc

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

(was I really the only one who fucking hated the Star Trek film?)

I liked it once I stopped seeing it as a 'Star Trek' film.

See, the thing is, I've never seen any other form of Star Trek and I wouldn't give two fucks about whether it's "loyal to the original" or not because it's a reboot. No, I think it failed as a movie first and foremost, not as fan pandering (though I'm sure it failed at that too).

It was full of shitty and exhausting Michael Bay visuals, the plot is completely inane, and the main character (you know, the one we're supposed to root for) is written as an obnoxious twat, and they even included a plot device where he could become the captain by being an obnoxious twat. He's an unlikeable character and you never get the sense of the "rising into greatness" type of story it was supposed to be, because he was getting away with shit by being annoying and he never deserved the captain's seat in the first place.

Michael Bay type visuals I understand, Kirk is an ass, that's established, he's hated by most of the crew including Uhura and Spock, the last act of the film is about Kirk proving that he is competant enough to lead the Enterprise and winning the trust of his new crew. It's not a great film, but it succeeds in being a fun enough action film.

However, it will never beat the true gem of the Trek franchise:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/6681A0E4F84B303F#
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« Reply #104 on: January 25, 2013, 12:33:22 PM »
Quote from: Vindictus on January 25, 2013, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: Blanko on January 25, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
See, the thing is, I've never seen any other form of Star Trek and I wouldn't give two fucks about whether it's "loyal to the original" or not because it's a reboot. No, I think it failed as a movie first and foremost, not as fan pandering (though I'm sure it failed at that too).

It was full of shitty and exhausting Michael Bay visuals, the plot is completely inane, and the main character (you know, the one we're supposed to root for) is written as an obnoxious twat, and they even included a plot device where he could become the captain by being an obnoxious twat. He's an unlikeable character and you never get the sense of the "rising into greatness" type of story it was supposed to be, because he was getting away with shit by being annoying and he never deserved the captain's seat in the first place.

Most people agree that it didn't fail as a movie at all, only as a Star Trek movie. You need to expand on some of these points, because it seems to me that you just didn't like the movie (which is fine).

Sure, it worked for the mass audiences, but the same is true for a lot of drivel.

I thought it was kind of funny how Plinkett liked Star Trek for that reason although he would criticize the prequels for the aspects that are also prevalent in the Star Trek film. All the action is tensionless and visually exhausting and the main character is written as a bad apple.

You're right that I just didn't like the movie, but I didn't like it for largely the same reasons I don't like the Star Wars prequels or Michael Bay films, and those films were also massive box office hits. You'd think that's good enough for a reason to say they "didn't fail as movies", because they appeal to mass audiences. And yet anyone even remotely interested in films isn't afraid to bash those films, but they're willing to defend Star Trek because it was a "take of the classic franchise for modern audiences" or something like that. And I just don't get it.
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« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2013, 01:50:49 PM »
I don't think it's fair to compare Stat Trek to the prequels or michael bay movies. I suggest actually sitting down and watching them, then compare them to Star Trek, because they're not similar at all. I could go on about this, but I agree with most of what Plinkett says in regards to Star Trek and the prequels.

How is the action tensionless and visually exhausting? Most action scenes don't last all that long (certainly not overlong), and it isn't hard to follow what's happening (unlike the action in transformers, which is a clusterfuck of CGI). You might find it hard to care about Kirk, which just makes it tensionless for you. The plot isn't anywhere near as stupid as the prequels; it has holes but it's as solid as you're going to get when it's based around time travel.

I thought Star Trek was a solid action movie, and it kept me entertained for 2 hours. I can't say the same about the prequels or any of michael bay's movies.
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« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2013, 02:02:59 PM »
The only thing I didn't really like about Star Trek was all the goddamn lense flares.  If someone remastered it without those it'd be at least 100x better
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« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »
Quote from: Nomad on January 25, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
The only thing I didn't really like about Star Trek was all the goddamn lense flares.  If someone remastered it without those it'd be at least 100x better

This, and maybe tone down the 'kablooey-kaboom!' action sequences

Oh, and cut the stupid bit with Scotty in the water tubes.
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« Reply #108 on: January 25, 2013, 02:46:03 PM »
Yeah, Scotty was probably a bit too goofy too but taking the movie by itself it was fine.
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« Reply #109 on: January 25, 2013, 02:51:03 PM »
The lens flares were annoying as fuck.  That was really the only issue I had with the movie.
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« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2013, 03:00:39 PM »
The anamorphic lens flares in the film Alien are beautiful.
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« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2013, 06:22:50 PM »
I liked Kirk, sure he is a dick, but he is a likable dick.  He is persistent and a heroic, even if he lacks social skills.  It makes him more believable, i can never connect with Jesus figures.  They have to give him flaws.  You cant just have a handsome nice guy running around being heroic.
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« Reply #112 on: January 25, 2013, 06:55:33 PM »
Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on January 25, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
You cant just have a handsome nice guy running around being heroic.

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« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2013, 01:48:14 AM »
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« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2013, 08:36:07 AM »
Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on January 25, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
He is persistent and a heroic

Truer words were never spoken.
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« Reply #115 on: January 26, 2013, 09:39:26 PM »
Interestingly, all jokes about Abrams digitally stuffing lens flares into every scene aside, every lens flare was actually done live, not digitally.

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« Reply #116 on: January 26, 2013, 11:47:14 PM »
I liked the lens flares.
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« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2013, 02:32:57 AM »
Quote from: Supertails on January 26, 2013, 09:39:26 PM
Interestingly, all jokes about Abrams digitally stuffing lens flares into every scene aside, every lens flare was actually done live, not digitally.

:P

To be fair I never mentioned them being CGI, just that they're fucking irritating and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2013, 03:37:01 AM »
Oh sure, that wasn't towards anyone in particular, I just came across that and found it interesting.
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