Isaiah and Aristotle

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Isaiah and Aristotle
« on: October 25, 2012, 11:46:18 PM »
I know that some FE'ers are known as "strict biblical literalists." However, I have a couple questions. If you are a Christian FE'er, how do you reconcile the words of Isaiah (He sits on the circle of the earth) and the TRUE meaning of any reference to the "four corners of the globe?" (The true meaning is in the original Hebrew/Greek referrig to the directional locations of N, S, E, and W on a compass.)

Also, (this is for any FE'er) how do you deal with the writings of Aristotle, who very early on spoke of the world being round? 
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 01:27:06 AM »
Aristotle's cosmology is so different from modern RET that I don't think it really has any bearing on the FET/RET debate. It includes an 'unmoved mover' and lots of other stuff you guys have no time for, and as everyone knows, of Aristotle's many merits, a sound empirical methodology is not one. That's why he thought that flies generated spontaneously from rotting meat, and a whole lot of other nonsense.
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 03:13:16 AM »
Aristotle inherited the believe in globularism from Pythagoras and his number cult.

Yeshayahu or "Isaiah" depicts correctly the earth as a round footstool. The earth is in fact a circle. 
הישב על חוג הארץ וישביה כחגבים הנוטה כדק שמים וימתחם כאהל לשבת

Nowhere is the earth depicted as a globe. The phrase "four corners" means the entire expanse. When it is used of the earth, it is relating the furthest expanse of the cardinal directions. No where does the word "globe" appear in relation to this phrase or any other.
מארבע כנפות הארץ
"four corners of the earth"
הארץ - or ha'eretz is simply "the earth" or "the land". It does not mean globe.





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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 09:18:29 AM »
When they said "circle of the earth" this could only be determined by being very high in the air, which would have been impossible when the bible was written. Further proof of a planar earth.

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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 10:00:16 AM »
When they said "circle of the earth" this could only be determined by being very high in the air, which would have been impossible when the bible was written. Further proof of a planar earth.
A circle is planar, the Bible also says he laid it out with a compass, flat.
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 10:15:33 AM »
So suddenly the time when nobody had planes or cameras is proof?

Additionally, this is translated from hebrew and cannot be taken literally. There are many things that can be interpreted from biblical texts and one of them is that the earth is round. Another is that it is flat. We have to determine what the words mean and how these people came to be using them.
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 10:19:48 AM »
So suddenly the time when nobody had planes or cameras is proof?

Additionally, this is translated from hebrew and cannot be taken literally. There are many things that can be interpreted from biblical texts and one of them is that the earth is round. Another is that it is flat. We have to determine what the words mean and how these people came to be using them.
Or you can read the Bible and see what it says.
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 12:15:22 PM »
So suddenly the time when nobody had planes or cameras is proof?

Additionally, this is translated from hebrew and cannot be taken literally. There are many things that can be interpreted from biblical texts and one of them is that the earth is round. Another is that it is flat. We have to determine what the words mean and how these people came to be using them.


No one is suggesting that any of this constitutes empirical evidence. We're just saying the OP has it wrong.
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Re: Isaiah and Aristotle
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 11:08:15 AM »
(The true meaning [of the four corners of the globe] is in the original Hebrew/Greek referrig to the directional locations of N, S, E, and W on a compass.)

Can you site this statement from a credible source?