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rotating planet

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The creation of the universe
« on: October 20, 2012, 08:34:03 PM »
How could the universe have been created in way that makes the world flat and the celestial boldies "hang" above us?
If the earth and the celestial bodies are suspended with UA, how are the sun and moon circling the earth the way they are? What type of origin of the Universe would make for it to do so?
Was the UA supposed to be there before the creation or is it a part of the creation?
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Thork

Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 07:00:03 AM »
Most things are flat in the universe. Including the entire universe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

Galaxy's are flat, solar systems are flat, why not a planet? Flat is not a shape that nature shies away from.
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Flat Eric

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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2012, 08:24:27 AM »
it's not the same kind of flatness: the scale factor makes the difference to start with.

we're also not sure that the universe is flat, only a handfull of educated guys think the earth is flat.
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2012, 08:34:11 AM »
please do not take"flat" literally.
no one here believes in a literal "flat earth"
the earth is 3 dimensional, with a depth, while unknown, we know is 1000s of miles deep. 

Think of the Earth as more of a cylinder.


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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 11:16:32 AM »
I understand however that did not answer my question. I guess m yquestion could be rephrased to how could the universe be created in such a way that things will end up the way they are now.
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Thork

Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 11:50:45 AM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
I understand however that did not answer my question. I guess m yquestion could be rephrased to how could the universe be created in such a way that things will end up the way they are now.
Are you asking me to explain creation? Because neither round earth nor flat earth know the answer to that.
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rotating planet

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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2012, 12:19:47 PM »
There are approximations toward the creation of the universe in round earth theory. I havent heard of any for flat earth.
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Thork

Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2012, 12:27:56 PM »
There are no approximations. All maths and physics break down as you near the point of creation.

Asking me to explain something that no other human can explain either, does not prove the earth cannot be flat. It merely proves I'm no better at explaining 'how did we get here?' than anyone else.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2012, 12:29:59 PM »
There are educated guesses as to how the universe was created in RET.  But, they are still just guesses.  We can guess too, but our guesses will be just as unprovable as theirs.
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rotating planet

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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 12:33:37 PM »
Sure just as unproveable just like all science.
Quote from: Thork on October 21, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
All maths and physics break down as you near the point of creation.
That is why they are approximations and incomplete theories.
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Thork

Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 12:39:52 PM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
Quote from: Thork on October 21, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
All maths and physics break down as you near the point of creation.
That is why they are approximations and incomplete theories.
So what is the point in that? I can give you approximations and incomplete theories but you'd just spend the next 4 pages picking holes in them.

I don't know how the universe was created. Neither does anyone else. Its a score draw. It isn't going to bring us any closer to agreeing on earth's shape.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 01:47:57 PM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 12:19:47 PM
There are approximations toward the creation of the universe in round earth theory. I havent heard of any for flat earth.
It's worth pointing out here that Zetetics, the methodology of enquiry that underpins flat earth theory, strongly discourages speculation and conjecture.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Problems
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 01:55:19 PM »
The whole universe is speculation yet i suppose they believe in it?
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
The whole universe is speculation yet i suppose they believe in it?

So, you believe that there is not a universe?  I don't understand your reasoning.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2012, 02:22:47 PM »
No I believe there is a universe, however that is a belief and there isn't a way to prove it 100%. That is why I said it is speculation
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2012, 02:33:17 PM »
I'm sure the rest of your freshman philosophy class finds your hyper-philosophical skepticism fascinating. If you hold this true, what is the point of asking us any questions about the shape of the earth, or our reasonings?
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2012, 02:56:59 PM »
It is true that there is no complete proof for the universe, however there still can be a point in asking for others' reasonings, because i believe that there is a universe
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Thork

Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2012, 04:00:16 PM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
It is true that there is no complete proof for the universe, however there still can be a point in asking for others' reasonings, because i believe that there is a universe
What is the point in asking, when you aren't even sure if the people you are asking exist? I have no time for this beard stroking hippy drug nonsense. The earth is flat. Good day.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2012, 08:08:52 PM »
I can't be sure, but I believe the others exist
Quote from: Thork on October 21, 2012, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: rotating planet on October 21, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
It is true that there is no complete proof for the universe, however there still can be a point in asking for others' reasonings, because i believe that there is a universe
What is the point in asking, when you aren't even sure if the people you are asking exist? I have no time for this beard stroking hippy drug nonsense. The earth is flat. Good day.
Can you make sure that others exist?
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2012, 11:04:37 PM »
Obviously you can't prove that the universe isn't a product of your mind, so there's no reason to operate under the assumption that it is. It's an interesting thought, but it isn't useful and it doesn't really lead anywhere. The hallucination would also have to come from somewhere other than a human brain, which is not powerful enough to simulate all of the interactions between matter in the universe. All of that is irrelevant to the shape of the earth.

One theory is that the "Big Bang" was mostly focused in one direction, and is still a constant source of energy, which accounts for UA.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2012, 12:43:23 AM »
the big bang was one huge explosion and in no way a constant source of energy. it wasn't focused in one direction becaue wherever you point your instruments, you see remains of that energy in the microwaves spectrum.

ua doesn't work because nothing could generate constant acceleration for billion of years.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2012, 01:08:31 AM »
The most important question is this: WHERE is our universe located? An equivalent question: Where is the only place a universe could have been created?

To answer this question we need to go back in time some 100 years, to the astronomical studies of Hans Hoerbiger...and Kozyrev's studies and thoughts on time.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,55467.msg1384905.html#msg1384905

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,50513.msg1241224.html#msg1241224
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2012, 05:05:43 AM »
And another question which is equivalent to the above (last message):

What is the actual scale of our universe?

Could the objects Hans Hoerbiger saw actually be the atomic elements of a crystal, and not blocks of ice? The Hexagonal Crystal Universe cosmogony by the Desanas (see the bibliography) does provide some clues...
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2012, 05:48:53 AM »
http://conscious-universe.blogspot.ro/2007/07/brahmas-dream.html (dreaming universe section)

Tesla's mind lab/thalamus gland imagination/dreaming mind:

http://www.creativethinkingwith.com/Nikola-Tesla-Creative-Thinking-Secrets.html



Art of Dreaming (C. Castaneda):

http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan9.html



Controlled lucid dreaming:

http://www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng03.htm#par23

http://www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng17.htm#par199

http://www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng16.htm#part5


At the present time, however, the mind is not focused in a way that enables it to give a clear and true picture of what the spirit imagines. It is not one-pointed. It gives misty and clouded pictures. Hence the necessity of experiment to show the inadequacies of the first conception, and bring about new imaginings and ideas until the image produced by the spirit in mental substance has been reproduced in physical substance.


We can imagine ways and means of working with the mineral forms of the three lower kingdoms, but can do little or nothing with the living bodies. We may indeed graft living branch to living tree, or living part of animal or man to other living part, but it is not life with which we are working; it is form only. We are making different conditions, but the life which already inhabited the form continues to do so still. To create life is beyond man's power until his mind has become alive.


...the mind will be vivified to some extent and man can then imagine forms which will live and grow, like plants.


...when his mind has acquired "Feeling," he can create living, growing, and feeling things.


...he will be able to "imagine" into existence creatures that will live, grown, feel, and think.


We are now working with it by means of the faculty of imagination, giving it form--building it into ships, bridges, railways, houses, etc.


Our faculty of imagination will be so developed that we shall have the ability, not only to create forms by means of it, but to endow those forms with vitality.


Thalamus gland egyptian hieroglyph:





GATE TO THE GODS: THALAMUS GLAND - EYE OF IMAGINATION

http://garyosborn.webs.com/gateofgod.htm


ACHARYA RAJNEESH (OSHO) BOOK OF SECRETS, VOLUME 1,


http://selfdefinition.org/tantra/Osho%20-%20Vigyan%20Bhairav%20Tantra%20Volume%201.pdf (chapter 5, chapter 6 - thalamus gland, dreaming mind, eye of imagination/creation)


What really happened in the Garden of Eden, Tree of Knowledge/Imagination, how the thalamus gland was implanted in the human mind, without the ability to create lucid dreams:


http://www.piney.com/ApocMoses.html

http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/lginzberg/bl-lginzberg-legends-1-2o.htm
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2012, 11:26:27 AM »
Quote from: rotating planet on October 20, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
How could the universe have been created in way that makes the world flat and the celestial boldies "hang" above us?
If the earth and the celestial bodies are suspended with UA, how are the sun and moon circling the earth the way they are? What type of origin of the Universe would make for it to do so?

Try reading Genesis.
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Flat Eric

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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2012, 11:28:17 AM »
genesis if faith, not science
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2012, 11:39:01 AM »
Quote from: Dino on October 24, 2012, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: rotating planet on October 20, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
How could the universe have been created in way that makes the world flat and the celestial boldies "hang" above us?
If the earth and the celestial bodies are suspended with UA, how are the sun and moon circling the earth the way they are? What type of origin of the Universe would make for it to do so?

Try reading Genesis.
The answer is too simple for most people to believe. They would rather believe lies.
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2012, 11:42:12 AM »
What happened before Genesis? 
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2012, 02:03:31 PM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on October 24, 2012, 11:42:12 AM
What happened before Genesis?

God existed all alone. God existed because he had the form of a man. But "man" in the Bible means dinosaur, because obviously there is evidence that dinosaurs existed before modern men. So early man must have taken the form of a dinosaur and so must have God. I suppose there is no reason to repaint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel now, though. Michelangelo did a pretty good job going with what he had to work with. 
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Re: The creation of the universe
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2012, 02:39:07 PM »
interesting theory.
do you agree with Master James that long thought possible dinosaurs still may live beyond Antarctica, in a region "lit" by their own sun?
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