Moon Visibilty.

I have a question about the moon's visibility. Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day. What role does the "atmolayer" play in this?

sometimes the moon is visible because of its angle and approximation from the sun.

Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day.

The very definition of night is that the sun is not illuminating the earth and it is dark. The moon is not relevant. If you can see the sun, its light can shine on you. This is an incredibly silly question.

Quote from: Battery72 on September 23, 2012, 02:12:13 AM

Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day.

The very definition of night is that the sun is not illuminating the earth and it is dark. The moon is not relevant. If you can see the sun, its light can shine on you. This is an incredibly silly question.

This is an incredibly silly answer. Sounds like you don't have one so you completely avoided answering it altogether. My question has nothing to do with night and day. Both objects are 32 mile across, about the same distance from earth right? The sun is so much brighter and warmer yet the moon is visible more often. Funny how you both have 2 completely different answers, yet in RET everyone agrees on the 1 answer.

I have a question about the moon's visibility. Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day. What role does the "atmolayer" play in this?

A real interesting question is how can you see the moon during the day under the round-earth model? The best answer that can be given is that the sun's light bounces off earth, to the moon, back off that, then into your retina. It's a preposterous explanation, even a child could see this. 

Quote from: Battery72 on September 23, 2012, 02:12:13 AM

I have a question about the moon's visibility. Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day. What role does the "atmolayer" play in this?

A real interesting question is how can you see the moon during the day under the round-earth model? The best answer that can be given is that the sun's light bounces off earth, to the moon, back off that, then into your retina. It's a preposterous explanation, even a child could see this.

No shit Sherlock. You are missing my point. My question has more to do with the "ATMOLAYER" Apparently it blocks the Sun causing night right? How does it affect the Moon during the day/night as compared to the Sun?

Very well, Watson. I believe that the light from the moon comes from biolumenescent lunar life. It has nothing to do with reflection.

Whether day or night you should avoid looking directly at the moon. This is probably the most important practical thing to be learned from FET. The lambent rays of the moon are NOT reflections from the sun but generated directly and are much more dangerous to your body than direct sunlight.   

Whether day or night you should avoid looking directly at the moon. This is probably the most important practical thing to be learned from FET. The lambent rays of the moon are NOT reflections from the sun but generated directly and are much more dangerous to your body than direct sunlight.

That's an extraordinary claim, you will have to prove it

Here is a study on the deleterious effects of the moon.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,34082.0.html#.UGBgCIl5mc0

My understanding is that the moon is the lesser light (it is an independent light source to the sun, not merely a reflector of sunlight) - so as Thork stated, when the sun can be seen, it is by definition day.

When the sun or the moon move away from an observer on the stationary earth, eventually, the horizontal distance is so great that the angle to the observer tends to 0 and the sun/moon will converge to the horizon. As the atmosphere is not 100% transparent, there will come a distance beyond which light from the sun/moon will no longer reach the observer.

The moon does not in any way depend on the sun to give its light, so can be seen during day and night periods, so long as it is not so far from the observer as to have converged with the horizon.

No one has really answered my question at all. I should have known LOL.

When the sun or the moon move away from an observer on the stationary earth, eventually, the horizontal distance is so great that the angle to the observer tends to 0 and the sun/moon will converge to the horizon.

When the sun is at 1° above the horizon, a simple trig operation, given that the sun is at 3000 miles altitude, will return that it must be at nearly 172,000 miles distance from the observer (projected down to the horizontal plane). Won't work in the FE model. Here is a list with degrees and distances in miles:
1° = 171869
2° = 85908
5° = 34290
45° = 3000

Changing speed at exponential rates? staying on the circle?

Quote from: Curious_T2 on September 24, 2012, 08:47:19 AM

When the sun or the moon move away from an observer on the stationary earth, eventually, the horizontal distance is so great that the angle to the observer tends to 0 and the sun/moon will converge to the horizon.

When the sun is at 1° above the horizon, a simple trig operation, given that the sun is at 3000 miles altitude, will return that it must be at nearly 172,000 miles distance from the observer (projected down to the horizontal plane). Won't work in the FE model. Here is a list with degrees and distances in miles:
1° = 171869
2° = 85908
5° = 34290
45° = 3000

Changing speed at exponential rates? staying on the circle?

You're right. I am missing something, even with the sun altitude given by Parallax of ~700 statute miles (gives a horizontal distance of 2.5million miles). Thanks for your correction.

I know why I didn't ge the answer I wanted. To try and answer would be to expose the "Atmolayer" theory as wrong. How can the Atmolayer allow the Moon to be visible during the day/ night but not the Sun? This has nothing to do with day/ night it's all about the Atmolyer.

I think it's been too long for a response so it must be another FE victory. 

I don't believe in FET but I'm pretty sure my imagination works well enough to provide you with an answer.

The sun is not visible during night because it is too far away to be seen.  As it trails off into the sky you'd think it would gradually vanish and/or get less intense in brightness, but in fact, the atmolayer magnifies the size of the sun and the light.

So for the moon.... it's just a whole different species.  There's actually a shadowy figure that covers it slowly as it gets closer and closer to the sun.  So seeing the moon in the day and/or night has nothing to do with not seeing the sun at night.

or, moonlight is reflected sunlight.

I don't believe in FET but I'm pretty sure my imagination works well enough to provide you with an answer.

The sun is not visible during night because it is too far away to be seen.  As it trails off into the sky you'd think it would gradually vanish and/or get less intense in brightness, but in fact, the atmolayer magnifies the size of the sun and the light.

So for the moon.... it's just a whole different species.  There's actually a shadowy figure that covers it slowly as it gets closer and closer to the sun.  So seeing the moon in the day and/or night has nothing to do with not seeing the sun at night.

Yep, that would be the FET answer, I understand it..........but how is the Sun not visisble at night? The sun is so powerful that it heats and lights the earth, the Moon is not but can be seen during the day/night. The "atmolayer" blocks out all sunlight causing night, right? How does it not block out reflected sunlight to the Moon at any time?

Quote from: Thork on September 23, 2012, 09:16:47 AM

Quote from: Battery72 on September 23, 2012, 02:12:13 AM

Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day.

The very definition of night is that the sun is not illuminating the earth and it is dark. The moon is not relevant. If you can see the sun, its light can shine on you. This is an incredibly silly question.

This is an incredibly silly answer. Sounds like you don't have one so you completely avoided answering it altogether. My question has nothing to do with night and day.

Your question has everything to do with night and day.

Why can you only see the sun during the day? you asked. That's because that is the definition of day. When its light. When the sun is visible. When its light shines upon the earth and you can see it and it can see you.
Why can you see the moon at day or night you asked? Answer, because day and night is not dependent on the moon. It doesn't move across the sky with the same period as the sun. Therefore it can be visible during either.

It is a really really stupid question.

I know why I didn't ge the answer I wanted.

That's because you are vain enough to think you asked the most inciteful and clever question ever devised and hoped an entire society would come crashing down due to your wisdom. Sadly it was stupendously stupid to the point I nearly reported you to a moderator for lowering the collective IQ of the entire forum.

I think it's been too long for a response so it must be another FE victory. 

Yes, but a hollow one in light of the drivel in the OP.

Quote from: Battery72 on September 23, 2012, 05:54:06 PM

Quote from: Thork on September 23, 2012, 09:16:47 AM

Quote from: Battery72 on September 23, 2012, 02:12:13 AM

Can I please have a FES explanation as to why the Moon can be visible during the day and the night, and how the Sun is only visible during the day.

The very definition of night is that the sun is not illuminating the earth and it is dark. The moon is not relevant. If you can see the sun, its light can shine on you. This is an incredibly silly question.

This is an incredibly silly answer. Sounds like you don't have one so you completely avoided answering it altogether. My question has nothing to do with night and day.

Your question has everything to do with night and day.

Why can you only see the sun during the day? you asked. That's because that is the definition of day. When its light. When the sun is visible. When its light shines upon the earth and you can see it and it can see you.
Why can you see the moon at day or night you asked? Answer, because day and night is not dependent on the moon. It doesn't move across the sky with the same period as the sun. Therefore it can be visible during either.

It is a really really stupid question.

Quote from: Battery72 on September 25, 2012, 03:04:45 PM

I know why I didn't ge the answer I wanted.

That's because you are vain enough to think you asked the most inciteful and clever question ever devised and hoped an entire society would come crashing down due to your wisdom. Sadly it was stupendously stupid to the point I nearly reported you to a moderator for lowering the collective IQ of the entire forum.

Quote from: Battery72 on September 26, 2012, 03:14:03 PM

I think it's been too long for a response so it must be another FE victory. 

Yes, but a hollow one in light of the drivel in the OP.

This thread has been officially "Thorked". No shit it's day when the sun's out. All you are doing is explaing was "is". You don't  address the "Atmolayer" issue while attempting to insult someones intelligence. Luv ya work Thorky.

The atmolayer's role is pretty self-explanatory, and yes Thork did adequately answer the question.  When the sun is visible (day) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it.  When it isn't visible (night), it is.  When the moon is visible (sometimes day, sometimes night) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it, and when it isn't visible (again, sometimes day, sometimes night) it is beyond it.  What is it you're having trouble understanding?

The atmolayer's role is pretty self-explanatory, and yes Thork did adequately answer the question.  When the sun is visible (day) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it.  When it isn't visible (night), it is.  When the moon is visible (sometimes day, sometimes night) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it, and when it isn't visible (again, sometimes day, sometimes night) it is beyond it.  What is it you're having trouble understanding?

Finally someone that understands my question, Thank-you. Of course I disagree though 
From a technical point of view, how does this actually happen if they are always the same distance from earth?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 27, 2012, 09:38:00 PM

The atmolayer's role is pretty self-explanatory, and yes Thork did adequately answer the question.  When the sun is visible (day) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it.  When it isn't visible (night), it is.  When the moon is visible (sometimes day, sometimes night) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it, and when it isn't visible (again, sometimes day, sometimes night) it is beyond it.  What is it you're having trouble understanding?

Finally someone that understands my question, Thank-you. Of course I disagree though 
From a technical point of view, how does this actually happen if they are always the same distance from earth?

They move at different speeds.  Also, I do not believe they're exactly the same distance from the Earth.  Obviously the moon is closer.

Quote from: Battery72 on September 28, 2012, 04:26:25 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 27, 2012, 09:38:00 PM

The atmolayer's role is pretty self-explanatory, and yes Thork did adequately answer the question.  When the sun is visible (day) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it.  When it isn't visible (night), it is.  When the moon is visible (sometimes day, sometimes night) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it, and when it isn't visible (again, sometimes day, sometimes night) it is beyond it.  What is it you're having trouble understanding?

Finally someone that understands my question, Thank-you. Of course I disagree though 
From a technical point of view, how does this actually happen if they are always the same distance from earth?

They move at different speeds.  Also, I do not believe they're exactly the same distance from the Earth.  Obviously the moon is closer.

whpah! thanks for the overwhelming data here!

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 28, 2012, 06:47:22 PM

Quote from: Battery72 on September 28, 2012, 04:26:25 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 27, 2012, 09:38:00 PM

The atmolayer's role is pretty self-explanatory, and yes Thork did adequately answer the question.  When the sun is visible (day) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it.  When it isn't visible (night), it is.  When the moon is visible (sometimes day, sometimes night) it is not beyond the distance where the atmolayer obscures it, and when it isn't visible (again, sometimes day, sometimes night) it is beyond it.  What is it you're having trouble understanding?

Finally someone that understands my question, Thank-you. Of course I disagree though 
From a technical point of view, how does this actually happen if they are always the same distance from earth?

They move at different speeds.  Also, I do not believe they're exactly the same distance from the Earth.  Obviously the moon is closer.

whpah! thanks for the overwhelming data here!

I was giving a simple answer to a simple question.  In the future, please have some real content in mind before responding to a post.

i was also looking for data on this wedsite and there's nothing much. a pinpoint compared to googleplex data of round earth

i was also looking for data on this wedsite and there's nothing much. a pinpoint compared to googleplex data of round earth

Here is the Flat Earth Wiki: http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Here is a link to Earth Not a Globe, the seminal work on which modern FET is grounded: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

I also invite you to read the FAQ, of course, and familiarize yourself with the rules.

Now, in the future, if you have any questions, instead of necroing a dead thread with an inane comment, please feel free to join an active thread or start a new one.  It doesn't take a genius to figure this website out so you shouldn't have a problem.

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How come people who join here flaming get these nice warm welcomes? I usually just get ignored :<

How come people who join here flaming get these nice warm welcomes? I usually just get ignored :<

We try to give our attention to those who need it most. Now, let's either keep thing on-topic or let this thread be.