The Upper Boards

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Lord Wilmore

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The Upper Boards
« on: September 06, 2012, 07:13:54 AM »
There has been much talk lately of how a minority of members have been ruining the atmosphere in the upper boards. We've always had members who have been strongly opposed to this forum, but over the last year a mini-movement of bitter, anti-social members seems to have crystallised. Despite many of them having been banned multiple times, they have learned to sour discussion within the rules, and it has made the upper boards a very hostile place to be. Seeing no alternative solution, I have placed a number of members in the Purgatory membergroup. This group can see the upper boards, but cannot post in them. They are free to post in the lower boards.


In the past I have always vehemently opposed any ban I considered to be unfair, and no doubt some will charge me with hypocrisy. However, the forum is bigger than any member, or even any rule. There are plenty of RE'ers who strongly disagree with us, but who aren't complete twerps about it. The goal here is not to prohibit certain opinions or views. But the members we're banishing from the upper boards want this forum to fail, want it to become dead, and spend their time here with that end in mind. They ruin threads by preventing fruitful discussion, being rude, obnoxious, and living by the letter of the law and never its spirit. They take and take and take, and give nothing back. I think it is widely recognised that they have made posting in the upper boards unpleasant, and I don't see why we have to put up with it.


So I think on balance that this move is fair. It is fair to those members who want to have enjoyable discussions in the upper boards, and those who have tried to prevent that have received their just reward. We are their hosts, and they have abused our hospitality. Even now, we owe them a lot less than we are giving them. If and when they learn to behave like sociable beings, they may be allowed to post 'upstairs' again.


That is all.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 06:55:16 PM by Lord Wilmore »
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 07:32:43 AM »
Good move, Wilmore. Sometimes you just have to do something for the greater good. I am not ever a fan of banning people who aren't bots, but I don't want TFES to wither and die either.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 07:40:02 AM »
I strongly support this.  Good job.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 08:16:54 AM »
I appreciate this a lot and it was a fitting response to the problem. Thank you.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 08:22:47 AM »
Now ban Thork.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 09:15:17 AM »

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 09:18:03 AM »
Franklin doesn't like Thork.  It doesn't really have anything to do with the permanoobery, though.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 09:23:45 AM »
Thanks for assplaining, but that does not change any of the facts.  We are talking about getting rid of the riff-raff.  The ones who come here to derail threads.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 09:24:38 AM »
Franklin derailed this thread.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 09:29:00 AM »
I figure if the admins have decided they may selectively suppress speech in order to increase the quality of the forum, they'd appreciate suggestions that carry on in this vein. Please stay on topic, the upper forum are serious business and I'd hate to see them populated by off-topic trolls.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 09:30:03 AM »
What a douche.  Now back on topic. please.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 11:02:21 AM »
I find this to be a perfect solution.

And if they want to be angry about a thread, they can rant in AR.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 01:03:09 PM »
I want names.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 02:13:47 PM »
I want names.

Zhark, CET, trig, and TK have received Zetetic Damnation.  I haven't noticed anyone else.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 02:17:48 PM »
CET is the worst.  I have given up on many threads because of his one liners.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 02:24:45 PM »
I dipped a toe into the upper forums today. The water seemed nice but there was a large Markjo lurking under the surface. I'm still scared. :'(

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 02:29:05 PM »
I saw that.  He must be eliminated.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 04:58:32 PM »
I agree mostly with what is being done here but surely leaving Markjo still able to post seems a bit unfair. You can't ban most of the permanoobs and leave the biggest one around to do damage.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 05:24:07 PM »
Also, props to Pongo for this idea. I had it in mind to simply ban them, but he had already suggested limiting their access to the lower boards, which for some reason never occurred to me (despite having created a membergroup for this kind of thing ages ago).
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 06:58:30 PM by Lord Wilmore »
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 05:26:55 PM »
Also, props to Pongo for this idea. I had it mind to simply ban them, but he had already suggested limiting their access to the lower boards, which for some reason never occurred to me (despite having created a membergroup for this kind of thing ages ago).

Absolutely.  Problem solved.   I like this idea.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2012, 07:04:06 PM »
Good move here Wilmore, thank you.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2012, 08:09:22 AM »
There has been much talk lately of how a minority of members have been ruining the atmosphere in the upper boards. We've always had members who have been strongly opposed to this forum, but over the last year a mini-movement of bitter, anti-social members seems to have crystallised. Despite many of them having been banned multiple times, they have learned to sour discussion within the rules, and it has made the upper boards a very hostile place to be. Seeing no alternative solution, I have placed a number of members in the Purgatory membergroup. This group can see the upper boards, but cannot post in them. They are free to post in the lower boards.


In the past I have always vehemently opposed any ban I considered to be unfair, and no doubt some will charge me with hypocrisy. However, the forum is bigger than any member, or even any rule. There are plenty of RE'ers who strongly disagree with us, but who aren't complete twerps about it. The goal here is not to prohibit certain opinions or views. But the members we're banishing from the upper boards want this forum to fail, want it to become dead, and spend their time here with that end in mind. They ruin threads by preventing fruitful discussion, being rude, obnoxious, and living by the letter of the law and never its spirit. They take and take and take, and give nothing back. I think it is widely recognised that they have made posting in the upper boards unpleasant, and I don't see why we have to put up with it.


So I think on balance that this move is fair. It is fair to those members who want to have enjoyable discussions in the upper boards, and those who have tried to prevent that have received their just reward. We are their hosts, and they have abused our hospitality. Even now, we owe them a lot less than we are giving them. If and when they learn to behave like sociable beings, they may be allowed to post 'upstairs' again.


That is all.

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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2012, 08:21:13 AM »
Franklin is right. As entertaining as it is, Thork's behaviour does not always promote healthy discussion.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2012, 09:24:37 AM »
Franklin is right. As entertaining as it is, Thork's behaviour does not always promote healthy discussion.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2012, 12:16:59 PM »
I think this is a good move as long as they have the potential ability to re-earn their ability to post in the upper fora. Since most of them aren't idiots, they just have horribly annoying attitudes a lot of the time.

SO overall good move, hopefully. :D

Though I wouldn't mind a bit more cracking down on ad hominems and insults. It's hard to take people like Thork or TK seriously in the slightest when they fill posts to the brim with ravings and insults, especially since otherwise they're actually rather intelligent. They're not the only two guilty of it, just the first that came to mind. Say what you will about them, but they're willing to actually research things and make sure they know what they're talking about, but when they spend just as much of the post bashing people it brings credibility down a whole lot and it makes it look like it's okay to just let loose and be a prick on the forums.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2012, 12:19:33 PM »
Another +1 from me. Thanks for making this happen.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2012, 06:51:23 AM »
The upper boards are better already. It is nice to see actual discussions taking place.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2012, 01:05:48 PM »
I think this is a good move as long as they have the potential ability to re-earn their ability to post in the upper fora. Since most of them aren't idiots, they just have horribly annoying attitudes a lot of the time.

SO overall good move, hopefully. :D

Though I wouldn't mind a bit more cracking down on ad hominems and insults. It's hard to take people like Thork or TK seriously in the slightest when they fill posts to the brim with ravings and insults, especially since otherwise they're actually rather intelligent. They're not the only two guilty of it, just the first that came to mind. Say what you will about them, but they're willing to actually research things and make sure they know what they're talking about, but when they spend just as much of the post bashing people it brings credibility down a whole lot and it makes it look like it's okay to just let loose and be a prick on the forums.

Thork was the one that opened my eyes, it would be a shame if such an outstanding member of this community would be banned because of your whims.
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Re: The Upper Boards
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »
When did I say to ban him? I don't want him banned. ???
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2012, 02:38:46 PM »
In the context of the thread and discussion, it seems that you imply a ban for Thork in the quoted section above.
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