When did the conspiracy start?

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2012, 08:30:47 AM »
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FE is a scientific fact.
Really? Based on what research and what evidence?
Based on my personal research, which I have posted on TFES. Also ENaG by Rowbotham.

holy crap! you've done research, and have evidence that the earth is flat!?!?!? Send that paper to every science journal ever, remake the world of science and collect your billions of dollars!!!! what are you waiting for!!! the money is out there waiting for you!

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2012, 11:58:13 AM »

FE is a scientific fact.
Really? Based on what research and what evidence?
Based on my personal research, which I have posted on TFES. Also ENaG by Rowbotham.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2012, 06:43:25 AM »
NASA does not know the world is flat. They are ignorant on the matter. The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel, not to conduct real earth science. NASA is not hiding the shape of the earth from anyone -- they don't even know it themselves. They are not running a real space program, after all

and your evidence for this is...

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2012, 06:45:50 AM »
If Nasa can get it wrong, why cant other space agencies?
There are very few true Zetetics, when they finally reach space, the truth will finally be known.

Nasa, and the russians, and the chinese, and everyone else, the european space agency, india etc, even north korea. they're all launching stuff. they can't possibly all be on some absurd conspiracy. Not to mention all the scientists, all the physicists and astronomers and engineers of the planet earth. They are smart they would notice if the earth is acutally flat and spaceflight is all fake!
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2012, 02:56:26 PM »
NASA does not know the world is flat. They are ignorant on the matter. The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel, not to conduct real earth science. NASA is not hiding the shape of the earth from anyone -- they don't even know it themselves. They are not running a real space program, after all

and your evidence for this is...

Tim Bishop never has evidence. He thinks his boldness is sufficient.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 04:19:50 PM »
The proofs for the earth's rotoundity have been discussed on this forum at length over the years, and each shown to be false or flawed. I suggest you search.

Oh, really? Let's go through some, shall we?

1. Sharp horizon featuring sinking ship effect. RE explanation - the ground curves away from us. FE explanations: Light bends (inconsistent with observations of stellar angular distances and known physics of light), Rowbotham's magic perspective (inconsistent with every known law of physics and not reproducible on demand).
Verdict: evidence for RE, not FE.

2. Rotation of stars around two celestial poles. RE explanation - we are on a turning sphere. FE explanation - none. Occasionally someone will shout "celestial gears!" but that's not actually an explanation as no possible configuration of gears would produce that effect.
Verdict: evidence for RE, not FE

3. Existence of a north and south pole, at which there is continual daylight in summer and continual darkness in winter. RE explanation - the axis of the turning sphere we are on is tilted by a few degrees and the sphere is orbiting the sun. FE explanation - there isn't one.
Verdict: evidence for RE, not FE.

4. Circular area of darkness on the moon during lunar eclipse. RE explanation - the earth is between the sun and moon and casting a shadow of its shape on the moon. FE explanation - a circular body called the Antimoon which sadly cannot be shown to exist without being a conclusion of lunar eclipses.
Verdict: evidence for RE, not FE (as the Antimoon has no corroboration with anything whereas all bodies in the RE explanation have several other pieces of evidence that corroborates.)

5. Satellites. RE explanation - objects orbiting the earth under the influence of gravity. FE explanation - none. The existence of satellites is denied.
Verdict: evidence for RE, not FE (see ISS thread for proof that at least one satellite exists.)

There's more, of course but I can't be bothered here. You all know them. Note especially how the RE evidence elegantly interlocks, with every individual phenomenon providing backup and support to the others, whereas each piece of FE "evidence" stands alone, requiring extra laws of physics (which can never be detected in any other circumstance) or extra bodies just to make things work. None back up any of the others.

But hey, Tom, why not present evidence how each of these RE proofs is false or flawed? Go right ahead.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2012, 05:47:11 AM »
You've mentioned "zetetics" as a group of people or philosophy(?) a few times, bu you haven't answered my question:

Is FET a religious belief, or a scientific hypothesis?
FE is a scientific fact.



Zetetism is not a religion.
It is a way of life.


It is using all you senses to determine truth, not blindly following others.
There are very few real Zetetics. I believe the closer you get however, enlightenment will be reached.
When space travel becomes open for everyone,

the truth will finaly be known.


A massive conspiracy??? now thats just silly.

NASA isnt the big bad wolf.

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2012, 06:10:20 AM »
Zetetism is not a religion.
It is a way of life.


It is using all you senses to determine truth, not blindly following others.

I'm sorry, but in what authoritative definition of zeteticism does it say that you must limit yourself to using your senses in order to determine truth?  I think that you might be confusing zeteticism with empiricism.  They are not the same.

Zeteteicism is more about searching and open minded skepticism than necessarily relying on your senses.  Zeteteics should use all available resources in their search for the truth.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2012, 04:13:09 PM »
The Conspiracy began in Ancient Greece, prior to the birth of Christ, when the spherical fundamentalist Plato mistook the Earth for a sphere because of his ideologically motivated religion (Plato believed the sphere was a divine shape).

This sphericism was the prevailing (wrong) view in the Hellenistic world, but in the Ancient Levant, the heroes of the Bible crusaded against this inaccurate worldview. Jesus preached the flatness of the Earth. He went as far as to demonstrate that water has no convexity, by walking out away from observers on the Sea of Galilee to demonstrate that his feet were still visible several miles away, not obscured by curvature. A modern version of Jesus's experiment was conducted by Rowbotham at Bedford Canal, but the first Bedford Level Experiment (The Galilee Level Experiment) was performed by Jesus.

Jesus' enlightened approach to zetetic science was seen as a threat by the globularist Romans, who conspired to assassinate him in order to prevent an uprising in the serfs of the Levant, who were kept under control by the Round-Earth lies of the Romans.

After Jesus' assassination, Paul disseminated the beliefs of Jesus but inadvertantly focussed on his ethics more than his geography, resulting in a globularist christianity which became highly popular.

A Roman Emperor (Konstantin the Great) converted to Christian Globularism and the Bible was mistakenly taken for a Globularist text. By this time, the gospels had been codified by Alexandrian globularist scholars, who had naturally glossed the scientific elements of Jesus' experiments, presenting them as kooky miracles rather than studies about the shape of the Earth.

The level of scientific rigour held by the Bible heroes would not be matched until the medieval enlightenment occured, with many people realising the truth of geocentrism and zeteticism using the power of investigation.

However, by this time, the Conspiracy held such sway that even many geocentrists held the Earth to be a globe.  Crackpot superstars such as Copernicus further poisoned the minds of the public with their sphere-worshipping drivel.  Still, support for genuine zetetic science continued to grow in Renaissance and Enlightenment Europe.  The Conspiracy needed a new poster-child for its wild and morally corrupt views about the shape of the Earth, and that poster-child eventually came in the form of alchemy-believer and committed satanist Isaac Newton.  In a grotesque parody of the Biblical fall, Newton and his Conspiracy associates promulgated a story in which Newton was struck on the head by a fallen apple and in the subsequent concussion discovered a magical force, Gravity, which tended to forge all celestial objects into spheres.

The invention of Gravity by the Conspiracy represented a resurrection of the largely discredited Platonic Sphericism, in which the sphere is the teleological end point of all matter, including the Earth - however, the doctrine now gained imitative credibility from the rhetoric of Enlightenment science, and was backed up by the rock-star status of Newton.

The lies could only continue for so long in the face of staggering evidence to the contrary.  In the mid-1800s, Doctor Samuel Birley "Parallax" Rowbotham, the iconoclast and visionary, published his damning dismissal of globularist dogma. The Neo-Newtonian satanists of the Victorian age concocted a master plan, the greatest deception in human history - Space Travel, which was to play out over the course of the 20th Century and solidify sphericism against the rational scepticism of free-thinking minds.

The plan was not without interruption. Knowing, as they did, that the Flat, circular habitable Earth was surrounded by vast escarpments of insurmountable ice, the public discovery of which would slice globularism to shreds, the Conspiracy was unable to introduce the myth of Space Travel at the turn of the 20th Century, as previously planned.  Brave zetetic hero Scott of the Antarctic travelled deep into the wastes of the outer circle, and was sure to bring back news of the unacceptable truth - the maddening mountains of the Ice Wall which hold in the oceans of the Earth - and plans for early 20th century faked "zeppelin" flights into space as part of the Great War were shelved in order to pursue the most outrageous assassination the Southern Hemiplane has ever seen.  Scott's team were brutally murdered by Conspiracy agents; their camp was made up to look like they had died in their sleep, and Scott's pivotal diary, which can only have testified to the shocking truth, was fraudulently edited to corroborate the myth of a South Pole.

The establishment of NASA and POCKOCMOC in the middle 20th Century was the logical conclusion of this horrific history. At last, neonewtonianism could mass produce falsified Round Earth evidence with impunity - but for the bold efforts of the International Flat Earth Research Society and its successor, the Flat Earth Society, where even today our best scientific minds continue the crusade against Platonic-Newtonian Conspiracy deceptions.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2012, 05:44:49 PM »
The Conspiracy began in Ancient Greece, prior to the birth of Christ, when the spherical fundamentalist Plato mistook the Earth for a sphere because of his ideologically motivated religion (Plato believed the sphere was a divine shape).

This sphericism was the prevailing (wrong) view in the Hellenistic world, but in the Ancient Levant, the heroes of the Bible crusaded against this inaccurate worldview. Jesus preached the flatness of the Earth. He went as far as to demonstrate that water has no convexity, by walking out away from observers on the Sea of Galilee to demonstrate that his feet were still visible several miles away, not obscured by curvature. A modern version of Jesus's experiment was conducted by Rowbotham at Bedford Canal, but the first Bedford Level Experiment (The Galilee Level Experiment) was performed by Jesus.

Jesus' enlightened approach to zetetic science was seen as a threat by the globularist Romans, who conspired to assassinate him in order to prevent an uprising in the serfs of the Levant, who were kept under control by the Round-Earth lies of the Romans.

After Jesus' assassination, Paul disseminated the beliefs of Jesus but inadvertantly focussed on his ethics more than his geography, resulting in a globularist christianity which became highly popular.

A Roman Emperor (Konstantin the Great) converted to Christian Globularism and the Bible was mistakenly taken for a Globularist text. By this time, the gospels had been codified by Alexandrian globularist scholars, who had naturally glossed the scientific elements of Jesus' experiments, presenting them as kooky miracles rather than studies about the shape of the Earth.

The level of scientific rigour held by the Bible heroes would not be matched until the medieval enlightenment occured, with many people realising the truth of geocentrism and zeteticism using the power of investigation.

However, by this time, the Conspiracy held such sway that even many geocentrists held the Earth to be a globe.  Crackpot superstars such as Copernicus further poisoned the minds of the public with their sphere-worshipping drivel.  Still, support for genuine zetetic science continued to grow in Renaissance and Enlightenment Europe.  The Conspiracy needed a new poster-child for its wild and morally corrupt views about the shape of the Earth, and that poster-child eventually came in the form of alchemy-believer and committed satanist Isaac Newton.  In a grotesque parody of the Biblical fall, Newton and his Conspiracy associates promulgated a story in which Newton was struck on the head by a fallen apple and in the subsequent concussion discovered a magical force, Gravity, which tended to forge all celestial objects into spheres.

The invention of Gravity by the Conspiracy represented a resurrection of the largely discredited Platonic Sphericism, in which the sphere is the teleological end point of all matter, including the Earth - however, the doctrine now gained imitative credibility from the rhetoric of Enlightenment science, and was backed up by the rock-star status of Newton.

The lies could only continue for so long in the face of staggering evidence to the contrary.  In the mid-1800s, Doctor Samuel Birley "Parallax" Rowbotham, the iconoclast and visionary, published his damning dismissal of globularist dogma. The Neo-Newtonian satanists of the Victorian age concocted a master plan, the greatest deception in human history - Space Travel, which was to play out over the course of the 20th Century and solidify sphericism against the rational scepticism of free-thinking minds.

The plan was not without interruption. Knowing, as they did, that the Flat, circular habitable Earth was surrounded by vast escarpments of insurmountable ice, the public discovery of which would slice globularism to shreds, the Conspiracy was unable to introduce the myth of Space Travel at the turn of the 20th Century, as previously planned.  Brave zetetic hero Scott of the Antarctic travelled deep into the wastes of the outer circle, and was sure to bring back news of the unacceptable truth - the maddening mountains of the Ice Wall which hold in the oceans of the Earth - and plans for early 20th century faked "zeppelin" flights into space as part of the Great War were shelved in order to pursue the most outrageous assassination the Southern Hemiplane has ever seen.  Scott's team were brutally murdered by Conspiracy agents; their camp was made up to look like they had died in their sleep, and Scott's pivotal diary, which can only have testified to the shocking truth, was fraudulently edited to corroborate the myth of a South Pole.

The establishment of NASA and POCKOCMOC in the middle 20th Century was the logical conclusion of this horrific history. At last, neonewtonianism could mass produce falsified Round Earth evidence with impunity - but for the bold efforts of the International Flat Earth Research Society and its successor, the Flat Earth Society, where even today our best scientific minds continue the crusade against Platonic-Newtonian Conspiracy deceptions.

Please present any evidence at all for anything you talk about in this post. How are the dream conversations with the moonshramps, btw? I've got one in a tank, you know. Can prove it too.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2012, 06:25:52 PM »
The Conspiracy began in Ancient Greece, prior to the birth of Christ, when the spherical fundamentalist Plato mistook the Earth for a sphere because of his ideologically motivated religion (Plato believed the sphere was a divine shape).

Actually, it was widely believed among ancient Greek philosophers that the earth was round around the time of Pythagoras, well before Plato.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Classical_Greece
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2012, 06:03:39 AM »
Pythagoras' alleged globularism is only attested by unreliable secondary sources - Plato's writings are the first to explicitly preach globularism.

The majority of Presocratics are either silent on the issue or are Flat Earthers - for example Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, etc.

Plato is the father of globularism and the progenitor of the Conspiracy.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2012, 06:26:30 AM »
Pythagoras' alleged globularism is only attested by unreliable secondary sources - Plato's writings are the first to explicitly preach globularism.

The majority of Presocratics are either silent on the issue or are Flat Earthers - for example Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, etc.

Plato is the father of globularism and the progenitor of the Conspiracy.

Address my request that you supply proof of your ravings.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2012, 07:59:46 AM »
Pythagoras' alleged globularism is only attested by unreliable secondary sources - Plato's writings are the first to explicitly preach globularism.

The majority of Presocratics are either silent on the issue or are Flat Earthers - for example Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, etc.

Plato is the father of globularism and the progenitor of the Conspiracy.

He is a "projenitor" of globularism, and therefore of the heresy, but this doesn't mean that if the conspiracy exists, that he is also the "projenitor" of the conspiracy; the "projenitor" of the conspiracy is, from reading the forums, NASA.

Unless you are playing the game of guilt by association.

The origin of the sphereicity of the earth is under much debate and can be traced back to before plato; there is parmenides and empodocles; anaxagoras had some kind of flirtation with it, but alas, thought the horizon to be an illusion.

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2012, 11:48:10 AM »
Pythagoras' alleged globularism is only attested by unreliable secondary sources - Plato's writings are the first to explicitly preach globularism.

The majority of Presocratics are either silent on the issue or are Flat Earthers - for example Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, etc.

Plato is the father of globularism and the progenitor of the Conspiracy.

He is a "projenitor" of globularism, and therefore of the heresy, but this doesn't mean that if the conspiracy exists, that he is also the "projenitor" of the conspiracy; the "projenitor" of the conspiracy is, from reading the forums, NASA.

Unless you are playing the game of guilt by association.

The origin of the sphereicity of the earth is under much debate and can be traced back to before plato; there is parmenides and empodocles; anaxagoras had some kind of flirtation with it, but alas, thought the horizon to be an illusion.

Plus there may be others whose writings are lost to history, perhaps in other cultures too.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2012, 11:55:12 AM »
Pythagoras' alleged globularism is only attested by unreliable secondary sources - Plato's writings are the first to explicitly preach globularism.

The majority of Presocratics are either silent on the issue or are Flat Earthers - for example Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, etc.

Plato is the father of globularism and the progenitor of the Conspiracy.

He is a "projenitor" of globularism, and therefore of the heresy, but this doesn't mean that if the conspiracy exists, that he is also the "projenitor" of the conspiracy; the "projenitor" of the conspiracy is, from reading the forums, NASA.

Unless you are playing the game of guilt by association.

The origin of the sphereicity of the earth is under much debate and can be traced back to before plato; there is parmenides and empodocles; anaxagoras had some kind of flirtation with it, but alas, thought the horizon to be an illusion.

Plus there may be others whose writings are lost to history, perhaps in other cultures too.

Very true; the amount of of writings not extant must be a lot more than what is from over the years, especcially because of all the book burnings in greece and china etc - though  confuscius managed to get away with being completley lost.

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2012, 12:18:35 PM »
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2012, 06:39:38 PM »
Plato not only invented the myth of globularism, but he laid down the blueprints for the public deception which was later taken up by the Romans, by Newton and by the Space Agencies.

Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

Quote from: Plato, Republic 415c-415d
SOCRATES: "Do you see any way of getting them to believe this tale?"

GLAUCON: "No, not these themselves. But I do, their sons and successors and the rest of mankind who come after."
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2012, 08:32:18 PM »
Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

???  Why would Plato lie about the shape of the earth? 
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2012, 09:13:31 PM »
Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

???  Why would Plato lie about the shape of the earth?

He claimed that he knew that the earth was round when he did not.

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2012, 09:42:02 PM »
Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

 ???  Why would Plato lie about the shape of the earth?

He claimed that he knew that the earth was round when he did not.

Sorry Tom, but that doesn't answer my question.  What would motivate Plato to claim that the earth is round if he didn't know?  What could he possibly gain by perpetrating such an obvious deception?
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2012, 10:05:52 PM »
Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

 ???  Why would Plato lie about the shape of the earth?

He claimed that he knew that the earth was round when he did not.

Sorry Tom, but that doesn't answer my question.  What would motivate Plato to claim that the earth is round if he didn't know?  What could he possibly gain by perpetrating such an obvious deception?

Plato was the most famous philosopher/scientist in Greece and the founder of the Acadamy, which was the first institution of higher education Western World. It was his job to know all about the world. Claiming to know about the world gained him prestige and monies to run his institute from the government and financiers.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2012, 10:57:13 PM »
Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

 ???  Why would Plato lie about the shape of the earth?

He claimed that he knew that the earth was round when he did not.

Sorry Tom, but that doesn't answer my question.  What would motivate Plato to claim that the earth is round if he didn't know?  What could he possibly gain by perpetrating such an obvious deception?

Plato was the most famous philosopher/scientist in Greece and the founder of the Acadamy, which was the first institution of higher education Western World. It was his job to know all about the world. Claiming to know about the world gained him prestige and monies to run his institute from the government and financiers.

So, how would a round earth gain Plato more prestige and/or money than a flat earth?
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2012, 03:59:08 AM »
So, how would a round earth gain Plato more prestige and/or money than a flat earth?

Claiming to have special knowledge about the earth gained him prestige. He claimed that the earth was round in contradiction to reality (that the earth is flat), writing reality off as an illusion.

No one would pay attention to someone who was claiming that the earth was flat in a time when the common man knew nothing of the earth and lived on a flat world as far as he knew. All of Plato's "teachings" are along the lines of "you think it's this... but it's really this". Calling everything an illusion is his claim to fame. Look at his World of Ideas and The Cave, for instance.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 04:17:23 AM by Tom Bishop »

Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2012, 04:01:12 AM »
Fortunately we know now that Plato was right.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2012, 05:26:34 AM »
Plato not only invented the myth of globularism, but he laid down the blueprints for the public deception which was later taken up by the Romans, by Newton and by the Space Agencies.

Plato advocated the governments of the world lying so convincingly about the shape of the Earth, that within a few generations they would believe their own lie. How correct he was.

Quote from: Plato, Republic 415c-415d
SOCRATES: "Do you see any way of getting them to believe this tale?"

GLAUCON: "No, not these themselves. But I do, their sons and successors and the rest of mankind who come after."

Address my request that you supply proof of your ravings.
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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2012, 07:31:21 AM »
the "conspiracy" started during the space race,
when pictures from space showed a circle of light, (when non zetetics thought that they saw a sphere).

but in reality pictures from space look as planar as they do spherical.


the faqqers are the conspirators, and sadly they have taken over this once great society so much that
we have an absentee Zetetic council. 

What we need is a champion, like Dr Bishop who will weed out the faqqers, restore the Zetetic Council and
bring us ALL to enlightenment!


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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2012, 08:46:16 AM »
So, how would a round earth gain Plato more prestige and/or money than a flat earth?

Claiming to have special knowledge about the earth gained him prestige. He claimed that the earth was round in contradiction to reality (that the earth is flat), writing reality off as an illusion.

Gee, and here I thought that claiming that "the earth was round in contradiction to reality" and "writing reality off as an illusion" would gain him nothing but ridicule.  Ah, those wacky ancient Greeks.
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James

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2012, 01:37:19 PM »
Plato's absurd globular theory was also motivated by cult ideology.  As the shape which is most similar to itself, Plato believed that the sphere was a divine form, and sought to promote this laughable premise by deliberately lying to the public and pretending he believed it himself.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2012, 04:22:13 PM »
So, how would a round earth gain Plato more prestige and/or money than a flat earth?

Claiming to have special knowledge about the earth gained him prestige. He claimed that the earth was round in contradiction to reality (that the earth is flat), writing reality off as an illusion.

Gee, and here I thought that claiming that "the earth was round in contradiction to reality" and "writing reality off as an illusion" would gain him nothing but ridicule.  Ah, those wacky ancient Greeks.

Check out a Sunday mass at your local church. Priests and Pastors make claims in contradiction to reality all the time, and it gains them nothing but prestige. They tell of magic and mysticism, worlds beyond our own, and people eat it up.

Claiming to have special knowledge of the world has always brought prestige. It's the reason traveling medicine shows of the 1800's were so popular, despite a distinct lack of clinical trials for those products. It's the same reason why people flock to psychics and astrologists. Some psychics are so in demand that they can get away with charging 4 and 5 figures for a reading on a constant basis.
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