Olympic commision bans women from women's events

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Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« on: July 02, 2012, 09:26:16 AM »
Women who have high levels of testosteronemay be investigated and banned from competing in women's events in the Olympics.

The intention is not just to prevent steroid abusers competing but also 'hyperandrogenic' women who naturally produce testosterone in high quantities. According to the Commission, these people will have to compete in the men's events.

This raises interesting questions, if a hyperandronic woman is actually 'male' then would a man with correspondingly low testosterone levels be eligible to be classed as a 'woman'

Given the IOC's ruling that intersex people should be 'treated' to remove male characteristics, could  (and indeed, should) trans person be able to compete in events of their opposite assigned gender if they are 'treated?'

Should intersex and hyperandronic females be allowed to compete in the women's events and conversely, should intersex and subandronic men be allowed to compete as women?


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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 09:35:41 AM »
Penis- male
Vagina-female
Why complicate things?
Always check your tackle- Caerphilly school of Health. If I see an innuendo in my post, I'll be sure to whip it out.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 09:36:05 AM »
Men with high levels of estrogen are not in the men's events. Thy probably aren even in the Olympics.

Anyway the ruling is stupid in my opinion.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 09:44:04 AM »
Penis- male
Vagina-female
Why complicate things?

The argument is that if someone with a vagina but otherwise masculine build, particularly in relation to testosterone production, competes in a woman's event, then the other women are at as much of a disadvantage as if they were competing against steroid abusers.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 09:45:54 AM »
First, this is not for women with high levels of testosterone. Hyperandrogenism is something else. You'll notice 'testosterone' only appears once in the entire pdf. Actually, this is just a legal cover all.

Men produce testosterone from their testicles. As a young man, you should now be aware that women don't have testicles. So ... how do women get hyperandrogenic? From where does the testosterone come from?

This is a way of saying instead that you exhibit the symptoms of virilisation. Facial hair, and enlarged clitoris, deep voice etc etc.


Its a way of saying, we know you are using steroids, we are going to use anatomists to determine that. We won't be able to prove you are using steroids because you are likely using an undetectable steroid or using masking agents or indeed might just not be using them at this very moment, but we are going to kick you out of the Olympics because its obvious to anyone with eyes that you are cheating.

this isn't new to 2012 by the way. the olympics introduced sex testing back in the 1960s as a direct response to the Press sisters. Now the Press sisters were twins who threw shot put and discus and javelin for the USSR in the 1960s. It will come as no surprise to you that they were WR holders and twice the size of any other woman. However, they looked like a couple of fellas.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Press
It was said of both sisters that their gender could not be determined. Some even thought that they might be hermaphrodites — still another opinion was that they were being injected with male hormones in order to make them stronger. Detractors called them the "Press Brothers". After gender verification for all international sporting female events was made mandatory in 1966 (curtailed in Sydney in 2000), both vanished from the sporting scene.
They literally decided not to go to the olympics a few weeks before and never competed again. One actually joined the KGB. I don't know why I know that. I'm good at pub quizzes.

Anyway, its not about catching hermaphrodites. Its about catching drugs cheats.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 09:54:06 AM »
That is a woman? It must be destroyed.
I'm not black nor a thug, I'm more like god who will bring 7 plagues of flat earth upon your ass.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 09:56:50 AM »
Her name is Irene.

Enjoy.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 02:19:22 PM »
Men produce testosterone from their testicles. As a young man, you should now be aware that women don't have testicles. So ... how do women get hyperandrogenic? From where does the testosterone come from?

Oh Thork...

Quote from: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003707.htm
In females, the ovaries produce most of the testosterone.
Quote from: http://www.livestrong.com/article/305512-exercise-testosterone-levels-in-women/
the ovaries and adrenal glands produce testosterone
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/articles/testosterone.shtml
Testosterone is also produced in women's ovaries and adrenal glands. Little is known about the exact role of testosterone in women, but scientists believe it helps maintain muscle and bone strength and contributes to sex drive or libido.

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Anyway, its not about catching hermaphrodites. Its about catching drugs cheats.

Actually, the most recent case which prompted them to take this action was the South African runner Caster Semeya who had to undergo gender testing as there were complaints that she was actually a man, only it turned out that she was one of the hyperandronic womern who would be affected by this ruling. The IAAF ruled that her masculine characteristics meant that she couldn't compete in women's athletics events which was eventually reversed.


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Thork

Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 02:54:54 PM »
Don't post pictures like that. Supertails will have a stiffy for weeks.

The levels of testosterone produced by ovaries are trace amounts and a fraction of what a man creates. I am aware of this case, but I think its more to do with drug abuse.

Its the word hyperandrogenic that makes me suspicious. Androgenic means "of or related to the male hormone androgen" and of course is associated with anabolic androgenic steroids. The anabolic is the good bit, the bit that adds muscle. The androgenic is the bad part. The secondary sex characteristics / side effects. IE its not in any way associated with genitalia.
And to have visible androgenic characteristics, women need to take a lot of testosterone compared to normal levels. Women who take steroids (way more testosterone than a man has) such as actresses and fitness models still don't have strong masculine traits. You need to take a huge amount compared with natural levels.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2012, 05:08:48 PM »
Oh, look.  Another one of these fucking threads.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2012, 08:41:09 PM »
Sounds reasonable to me. Next.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2012, 10:42:47 PM »
Don't post pictures like that. Supertails will have a stiffy for weeks.
I get aroused by random pictures of clothed people. It's true.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 01:26:01 AM »
But Supertails, she's androgenous.  ;)

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 01:32:51 AM »
But Supertails, she's androgenous.  ;)
Irrelevant. If you get aroused every single time you see any white woman in any situation at all you may want to get that checked out. ???
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 01:35:56 AM »
But Supertails, she's androgenous.  ;)
Irrelevant. If you get aroused every single time you see any white woman in any situation at all you may want to get that checked out. ???
Are you saying not only are you after someone of no determined sex, but that you are also fussy?

Also no doctor is going to say there is something wrong with me for being turned on by white women. However the head doctors might be interested in someone who is attracted to people of neither gender. Like your avatar. And the avatar before that. and the one before that.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2012, 01:44:23 AM »
But Supertails, she's androgenous.  ;)
Irrelevant. If you get aroused every single time you see any white woman in any situation at all you may want to get that checked out. ???
Are you saying not only are you after someone of no determined sex, but that you are also fussy?

Also no doctor is going to say there is something wrong with me for being turned on by white women. However the head doctors might be interested in someone who is attracted to people of neither gender. Like your avatar. And the avatar before that. and the one before that.

I don't know what it is with people and not understanding me lately. I said if you're aroused by every single white person you ever see, getting aroused just because there is a white person in the same general vicinity as you. Do you actually get an erection every single time you so much as catch a glimpse of a white woman's face?

And I'm not sure what's androgynous about Gerard Way. Florence and Gaga I could see, but I'm fairly sure those are the only androgynous avatars I've ever had. I think you might be a very sexually confused person. You've got a thing for steroid-jacked men, can't seem to stop posting shirtless males, you get hard every time you catch a glimpse of white skin, and you can't tell peoples' sex. Are you sure you don't need a doctor? :(
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 01:59:30 AM »
The steroid threads have been as a direct response to the general public's total ignorance about what is and isn't possible - largely the fault of the US illegalising steroids, but doing nothing to discourage widespread use and letting it infiltrate mainstream culture. We have an Olympic games 100m final in a few weeks and every single person on the start line is jacked. Hollywood actors and actresses, musicians, fitness models, porn stars, regular models etc etc etc. the steroid body is held up as a healthy body and its all sh*t. People don't look like that. The amount of lying that goes on is incredible and to be able to point out when people tell you bare face lies on such a scale speaks volumes.
How much of what politicians tell you is real?
How much of what the news and media tell you is real?
How much of what companies and businesses tell you is real?

What you will find out is that most people seem to spend most of their time, telling you lies.

The theme goes on.
Steroids, immigration, multiculturalism, the economy .... almost everything you are told is lies. Someone is trying to deceive you because that gives them an advantage over you. Be it financial, sexual, political, athletic; people are telling you lies to ensure you don't do as well as them.

I hate being lied to because I like learning and being lied to is the opposite of education. That is people deliberately trying to make me ignorant.

I have no interest in steroid jacked men sexually. I'm very normal in sexual taste. I'm not a chubby chaser, or a deviant or anything remotely strange. I have very very normal sexual preferences and I'm comfortable enough about that not to giggle like a school girl at the sight of a guy on steroids.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 02:01:24 AM »
It was a joke. I don't actually think you're sexually attracted to steroid-jacked men. You do not need to be so defensive all the time.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2012, 02:04:28 AM »
It was a joke that you'd be interested in Semenya just because she's androgenous. ???

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2012, 02:09:06 AM »
It was a joke that you'd be interested in Semenya just because she's androgenous. ???
And I responded jokingly, with a joke observation rooted in reality. I didn't expect you to post several paragraphs explaining how you're not attracted to steroid-jacked men.

WILL YOU STOP MAKING THIS MOAR SRS THAN IT NEED BE THIS IS DUMB
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2012, 02:16:46 AM »
Will you change your hideous avatar?

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2012, 02:31:45 AM »
Will you change your hideous avatar?
Eventually.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2012, 02:32:44 AM »
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Are you saying not only are you after someone of no determined sex, but that you are also fussy?


I know, strange isn't it? It's almost like bisexual people are just like straight people in having preferences and attractions except don't mind if they're male or female... (though most bi people I know do tend to have a preference for one over the other in general)

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2012, 02:40:41 AM »
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Are you saying not only are you after someone of no determined sex, but that you are also fussy?


I know, strange isn't it? It's almost like bisexual people are just like straight people in having preferences and attractions except don't mind if they're male or female... (though most bi people I know do tend to have a preference for one over the other in general)
Exactly. Though I'll note that I'm not 'after' anything and I'm not very fussy.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2012, 03:12:30 AM »
Bi-sexual != Transromantic

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2012, 03:13:42 AM »
I'm pretty sure nobody said that.
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2012, 03:15:41 AM »
Then why is Chris talking about bisexuals?

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2012, 04:16:20 AM »
Pretty sure he was addressing the "but you're also fussy?" half. Or he thought you said that I don't have a preference between boys and girls and that I'm fussy. But then I can't be sure. well i guess well know next time he posts
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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2012, 04:20:28 AM »
My point was that bisexuals can be fussy. There are lots of people to choose from. If you are only into androgynous partners, maybe you can't afford to be as fussy. Hence the surprise at you turning your nose up at Semenya.

This thread would have been way funnier if you'd just rolled with the punches.

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Re: Olympic commision bans women from women's events
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2012, 04:23:27 AM »
It was a joke that you'd be interested in Semenya just because she's androgenous. ???
And I responded jokingly, with a joke observation rooted in reality. I didn't expect you to post several paragraphs explaining how you're not attracted to steroid-jacked men.

WILL YOU STOP MAKING THIS MOAR SRS THAN IT NEED BE THIS IS DUMB

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