Please provide some proof or actual hard evidence of your "theory"

I went to the cliffs at Dover yesterday and could see the Alps using my new binoculars. The Chanel is also obviously flat, you only have to look at it! My mother said she could see clouds where mount Everest is. She has recently bought new glasses.

Our next door neighbour told us it often rains in Tibet and thats why my mother couldn't see Mount Everest.

I don't even know where Dover is. Could you clarify that for me? Also, can you provide some high definition photographic evidence? I would like to see where you can possibly see the alps and mount everest from at the same time.

Dover is opposite France. Everyone knows about the white cliffs of Dover.

I guess I'm not included in everyone? So do you have an pictures that show you can see the alps AND Everest? The alps I could see as plausible, although I'm not sure how far away they are. Everest is a stretch, even if the Earth was flat.

I guess I'm not included in everyone?

Blimey, how can you take part in a debate about the earth being flat and not know about the home town of one of the greatest freethinkers of the flat earth society, Samuel Shenton. He lived and worked just round the corner from me in London Road.

How would I get definition photo?

High Definition. HD. 1080p. 1920x1080 resolution. Not a definition photo.

Blimey, how can you take part in a debate about the earth being flat and not know about the home town of one of the greatest freethinkers of the flat earth society, Samuel Shenton. He lived and worked just round the corner from me in London Road.

Well, for one, I just joined these forums a few weeks ago. I'm essentially trying to gather more information on what exactly goes on here and if there's anything scientific behind this theory. For two, they didn't teach me about Mr. Shenton in school.

No one is taught about Mr. Shenton in America. I think the school boards decided that laughing at some guy for his whacky ideas is pretty rude.

*sigh* Anyways.
I've been browsing around, you have no actual evidence.

Whenever confronted with this, all I have seen you say is 'Look outside your window, the earth is flat.'

If I look outside my window, the Earth appears flat.
If I lay my head down on a hill, the Earth appears round, but that is likely because of my perspective being close to the ground.
If I travel to great heights, though, I can visibly see the curvature of the Earth. So, when I looked outside the window, I was simply too close to the ground, as the Earth is too large for its curvature to be seen from a position so close to the ground.

There are likely thousands apon thousands of photos, videos, etcetera, showing that the Earth is round. You say they are all false, faked, etc, and that your theory is correct instead. However, I have not seen even one photo, video, or other piece of evidence showing that the Earth is flat, other than the 'look out your window' statement, which is directly countered by my 'look out an airplane's window' statement.

I'm not even going to go into all of the scientific models that work with a round Earth, they've been mentioned here plenty and I don't feel like posting Wikipedia links.

So, to return to the original question: Can anyone provide evidence?

*sigh* Anyways.
I've been browsing around, you have no actual evidence.

Whenever confronted with this, all I have seen you say is 'Look outside your window, the earth is flat.'

If I look outside my window, the Earth appears flat.
If I lay my head down on a hill, the Earth appears round, but that is likely because of my perspective being close to the ground.
If I travel to great heights, though, I can visibly see the curvature of the Earth. So, when I looked outside the window, I was simply too close to the ground, as the Earth is too large for its curvature to be seen from a position so close to the ground.

There are likely thousands apon thousands of photos, videos, etcetera, showing that the Earth is round. You say they are all false, faked, etc, and that your theory is correct instead. However, I have not seen even one photo, video, or other piece of evidence showing that the Earth is flat, other than the 'look out your window' statement, which is directly countered by my 'look out an airplane's window' statement.

I'm not even going to go into all of the scientific models that work with a round Earth, they've been mentioned here plenty and I don't feel like posting Wikipedia links.

So, to return to the original question: Can anyone provide evidence?

It's funny that you say that, because the OP was me. It's been weeks since I started this thread. My question has gone unanswered.

High Definition. HD. 1080p. 1920x1080 resolution. Not a definition photo.

I looked at my camera and can't see any settings for HD 1080p etc..  Where can I get 1920x1080 film?

Quote from: ThinkingMan on July 24, 2012, 07:07:54 AM

High Definition. HD. 1080p. 1920x1080 resolution. Not a definition photo.

I looked at my camera and can't see any settings for HD 1080p etc..  Where can I get 1920x1080 film?

Marks and Spencer should have it.  There's one in Dover.

Oh film is even better as long as you have the right lenses! Fantastic! I guess I'm too quick to jump to assuming everyone has gone digital these days.

Oh film is even better as long as you have the right lenses! Fantastic!

I can't see where I would fit another lense on my camera. I have a Kodac instamatic, can anyone help? PS I have some flash cubes, would I need to use them for HD?

Marks and Spencer should have it.  There's one in Dover.

Actually they don't, I went in, they didn't know what I was talking about, this is typical of the misleading information put out to the masses by the so called scientific establishment.

You must be trolling. That's the only thing I can figure. If your camera uses film, but doesn't have a lens attachment, then it's not HD, and it can't take good quality pictures at the distances you're talking about anyway. So I'm not sure why you're picking apart what I say. If you don't know what a digital camera is, I'm terribly sorry. If you have never seen a camera that can fit different kinds of lenses (which are MUCH older than digital), I am also very sorry. You have access to the internet however. Perhaps you should look them up.

FE's are in so much denial LOL. To prove the earth is flat, all you would need was a massive laser light on a clear day or night to shine from  the highest point on 1 side of the earth to the other side's highest point. Provided the earth is actually flat, this light should never be impeded. This would be the hard data to support the FE theory. Now until that happens, I'll be very comfortable KNOWING the earth is round. I looked out my window and saw some bricks, so the world is made from bricks no? It's was my eyes saw so it must be right then.

FE's are in so much denial LOL. To prove the earth is flat, all you would need was a massive laser light on a clear day or night to shine from  the highest point on 1 side of the earth to the other side's highest point. Provided the earth is actually flat, this light should never be impeded. This would be the hard data to support the FE theory. Now until that happens, I'll be very comfortable KNOWING the earth is round. I looked out my window and saw some bricks, so the world is made from bricks no? It's was my eyes saw so it must be right then.

That was unnecessary. When I stand on the ground, the Earth does look flat. FE is correct in that respect. But looks can be deceiving. And if you tell them to set up this... laser, They will throw their bendy light theory at you anyway. Of course, light does bend through a medium, but not as much as they say.

FE's are in so much denial LOL. To prove the earth is flat, all you would need was a massive laser light on a clear day or night to shine from  the highest point on 1 side of the earth to the other side's highest point. Provided the earth is actually flat, this light should never be impeded. This would be the hard data to support the FE theory. Now until that happens, I'll be very comfortable KNOWING the earth is round. I looked out my window and saw some bricks, so the world is made from bricks no? It's was my eyes saw so it must be right then.

That is an interesting experiment you are proposing.  However, I doubt that any reasonable laser would be capable of travelling that far through our atmosplane.  Dust, moister, smog, and all of that other stuff that we have in our air would quickly dissipate any laser.  But, I am glad that you are thinking reasonably.

Quote from: Battery72 on July 26, 2012, 06:18:19 AM

FE's are in so much denial LOL. To prove the earth is flat, all you would need was a massive laser light on a clear day or night to shine from  the highest point on 1 side of the earth to the other side's highest point. Provided the earth is actually flat, this light should never be impeded. This would be the hard data to support the FE theory. Now until that happens, I'll be very comfortable KNOWING the earth is round. I looked out my window and saw some bricks, so the world is made from bricks no? It's was my eyes saw so it must be right then.

That is an interesting experiment you are proposing.  However, I doubt that any reasonable laser would be capable of travelling that far through our atmosplane.  Dust, moister, smog, and all of that other stuff that we have in our air would quickly dissipate any laser.  But, I am glad that you are thinking reasonably.

May be you should learn a little bit more about lasers before stating that the experiment cannot be done;

It still would prove one way or another the FE or RE theory once and for all if possible. The earth does look flat standing on the ground much like an ant on a big beach ball.

Dover is opposite France. Everyone knows about the white cliffs of Dover.

Opposite? I'll take your word for it...



Dover is in the south of england, it is known for its cliffs which are composed of soft white chalk.

So can anyone here provide proof that the earth is flat. I'm still waiting for it.

So can anyone here provide proof that the earth is flat. I'm still waiting for it.

Please read FAQ, then formulate questions, then get annoyed, then get sucked into arguing endlessly.

We are awaiting your contributions, timme.

Goodluck.

So can anyone here provide proof that the earth is flat. I'm still waiting for it.

Mee too  It's all based on one person's skill in dabating from the 1800s. It's all about how water is flat no matter what so how would that fit on a round Earth. Since they don't believe in gravity the Earth must be flat LOL. That's a joke because if you have a glass of water, change it's angle 45%. the wather will still be flat, but it's possible that the vessel can have a shape other that flat for the water to be flat.

In determining the shape of the Earth, I require hard, direct sensorial evidence.

At Hoylake (see the Hoylake Windfarms thread) I had hard, direct sensorial evidence of the tip of blade of a wind turbine disappearing from view whilst pointing downwards but being restored to view whilst pointing upwards; the tip of the same blade.

No cogent explanation was given by the FE lobby for this observation. The only conclusion I have reached in light of this was that the tip of the blade, and most of the mast of the turbine for that matter, were being hidden by the sea. As it was a calm sea I conclude that the earth at Hoylake is not flat. Being a good zeteticist I make no claims about the shape of the earth elsewhere.

Quote from: timme on July 28, 2012, 12:31:20 PM

So can anyone here provide proof that the earth is flat. I'm still waiting for it.

Mee too  It's all based on one person's skill in dabating from the 1800s. It's all about how water is flat no matter what so how would that fit on a round Earth. Since they don't believe in gravity the Earth must be flat LOL. That's a joke because if you have a glass of water, change it's angle 45%. the wather will still be flat, but it's possible that the vessel can have a shape other that flat for the water to be flat.

If the earth is round all standing water must exhibit some degree of curvature.

If the earth is round all standing water must exhibit some degree of curvature.

You don't believe in geometry, remember?  How do you know that?

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Quote from: garygreen on July 29, 2012, 11:32:37 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 29, 2012, 10:00:00 AM

If the earth is round all standing water must exhibit some degree of curvature.

You don't believe in geometry, remember?  How do you know that?

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But you don't believe in geometry, do you Tom.  The setting sun proves that basic geometry is wrong, right?

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Awesome.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham proved elementary geometry to be wrong. It is an inaccurate representation of reality.

You said this, and it's not as if I'm exaggerating your claim.  Your determination of the curvature of standing water is based on the geometric properties of circles.  You don't believe in those properties.  You claim that Rowbotham proved them to be wrong.