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Would you keep a baby without a brain?

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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2012, 03:55:35 PM »
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God would know that I am trusting Him. I would tell Him that I am, I would tell Him I'm trusting in his outcome. The Lord is much greater than you guys think.

A path forged by another is not your own.  A path given to you by another is slavery.

Are you a slave to God?
I try to be a servant of God, I want to do what He wants me to do. God is merciful, and knows that people are weak. He will not give us anything that we cannot handle if we try to seek Him.
Does God approve of your spelling mistakes?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2012, 03:57:44 PM »
Hoppy is the resident religion troll and no one seems to notice.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2012, 04:20:02 PM »
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2012, 04:53:21 PM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on June 05, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
Hoppy is the resident religion troll and no one seems to notice.

I think you're on the wrong website. If we cared that we were arguing with trolls we'd have left a long time ago. We're here for the debate.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2012, 07:03:12 PM »
I made this very same thread.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2012, 07:40:37 PM »
Quote from: Tausami on June 05, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on June 05, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
Hoppy is the resident religion troll and no one seems to notice.

I think you're on the wrong website. If we cared that we were arguing with trolls we'd have left a long time ago. We're here for the debate.

Hoppy always makes terrible debates though. Its not even a challenge because he is designing them to be wrong from the inside out. You end up with a circlejerk, not a debate.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2012, 11:34:07 PM »
The world is overpopulated as is. Abortion is a distinct non-issue untill we get our population in check.

The problem is that all the extra people are being born in third world countries where they don't have access to birth controll/enough police to stop rapists/enough education to not to believe the bile that the Catholic church spews forth about condoms. Let alone abortions.

My rule of thumb on wheather I value somthings life is sapience (assuming i'm not mixing up sapience and sentience). If you can determine a creature to not be sapient then its life is not particularly valuable. If its sentient but not sapient then it deserves to not be met with unecessary cruelty. This baby would not even be sentient so the logically this living corpse (undead even) should be cut up for organs/medical research.

This is what I think on an intellectual level. However if I were the parent then I would probably be making emotional decisions and I have no idea what I would do in all honesty.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2012, 11:45:47 PM »
I miss demouse.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2012, 11:58:28 PM »
Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on June 05, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
I miss demouse.

wut?

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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2012, 05:28:02 AM »
Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on June 05, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: hoppy on June 02, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on June 02, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 02, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
God would know that I am trusting Him. I would tell Him that I am, I would tell Him I'm trusting in his outcome. The Lord is much greater than you guys think.

A path forged by another is not your own.  A path given to you by another is slavery.

Are you a slave to God?
I try to be a servant of God, I want to do what He wants me to do. God is merciful, and knows that people are weak. He will not give us anything that we cannot handle if we try to seek Him.
Does God approve of your spelling mistakes?

Luckily for me and you God is merciful.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2012, 05:34:53 AM »
At least I would trust God about this thing and leave it in his hands. I can't believe you guise would kill your own baby because he is not normal. The baby would probably die anyway on his own. It is barbaric to command the doctor to end his life without even giving him a chance. Where is the love people?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2012, 06:03:39 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 05:34:53 AM
At least I would trust God about this thing and leave it in his hands. I can't believe you guise would kill your own baby because he is not normal. The baby would probably die anyway on his own. It is barbaric to command the doctor to end his life without even giving him a chance. Where is the love people?

If the doctor had a moral objection he would refuse to do it for you. But a baby born without a frontal lobe is in the exact same situation as somone who is brain-dead. Most likly the organ donation people would be asking you if they could harvest the baby's organs since it is effectivly dead already. That way some good would come of it.

Your god isn't going to solve all your moral quandries for you. People not thinking for themselves and instead just trusting "God"/preachers/politicians is a major reason for the problems with our world.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2012, 06:19:04 AM »
I can't believe that child survived until it was 2 what a waste of time and money.

@hoppy: why love it? It has no brain. Would you even consider it human without a brain? Maybe it's all about soul or whatever for you, but that's like prolonging the life of a lump of potato just because god made it.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2012, 08:07:20 AM »
Here's a video of an example of a brainless baby turning 2:
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM »
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2012, 08:46:42 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.

Better than being vegetables.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2012, 10:58:16 AM »
I would keep it to see how big I could get it before it died. Sort of like a little project I guess.

Wait... Would it grow and mature physically?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM »
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2012, 11:51:51 AM »
Quote from: Sean on June 06, 2012, 10:58:16 AM
I would keep it to see how big I could get it before it died. Sort of like a little project I guess.

Buy a Tamagotchi, they're cheaper.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2012, 12:36:43 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?
Pretty useful since I had a brain that was actually developing and learning.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2012, 08:52:15 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?

I have a 3 year old and I can say without a shadow of a doubt I would not want my child born without a brain. I cant honestly understand why you would. The whole point of being alive is to learn and experience things. The whole joy of being a parent is watching your child learn and develop and problem solve.
Buy a doll if you want the same experience of a baby without a brain.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2012, 10:24:14 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?
This baby is a lump of organic matter. There is "no one" inside that body to love.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 10:26:09 AM by ﮎingulaЯiτy »
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2012, 10:49:14 AM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on June 07, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?
This baby is a lump of organic matter. There is "no one" inside that body to love.
wrong.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2012, 12:11:27 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on June 07, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: rooster on June 06, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: hoppy on June 06, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
You guys are truly animals, and probably have never had any children of you own.
That child would be more useless than a mouse.
How much use were you when you were a baby?
This baby is a lump of organic matter. There is "no one" inside that body to love.
wrong.

Who/what is in it then? Every definition of a soul I've ever heard, referenced the brain or hid behind the brain. ???

...If you decapitate a person but immediately hook up their body to machines to keep the muscle tissue alive, and the digestive track pumping, is that person dead?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2012, 01:07:02 PM »
One way to think about it might help, although I doubt it. You have baby born and you are holding and loving it. The day before that while he was in utero, was he a lifeless clump of organic matter? How about the day before that?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2012, 02:57:20 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
One way to think about it might help, although I doubt it. You have baby born and you are holding and loving it. The day before that while he was in utero, was he a lifeless clump of organic matter? How about the day before that?
That is not at all one way to think about it, that's totally irrelevant to a baby being brainless.
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2012, 02:59:34 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
One way to think about it might help, although I doubt it. You have baby born and you are holding and loving it. The day before that while he was in utero, was he a lifeless clump of organic matter? How about the day before that?

That's a crap distinction. What makes it a baby and not a bunch of cells? I would say the brain. What would you say?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2012, 04:17:39 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on June 07, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
One way to think about it might help, although I doubt it. You have baby born and you are holding and loving it. The day before that while he was in utero, was he a lifeless clump of organic matter? How about the day before that?
You are steering away from the debate about a baby without a brain though with this sort of thinking and more into a philosophical debate about when does life really start. It is a dangerously slippery slope to use as an argument either for or against abortion imo as there are far too many gray areas in between. I would ask you Hoppy, when does life, for a baby, start exactly for you?
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Re: Would you keep a baby without a brain?
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2012, 05:33:10 PM »
You can tell by my line of reasoning in my previous post that I believe life starts at conception. When do you believe life starts?
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