Greatest Zetetic

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zarg

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Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 06:34:35 PM »
But James Randi is still alive in the 21st century. You'll have to organize a competition between Jim and Master Wil to be sure.
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[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

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markjo

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 07:25:51 PM »
Don't bring up James Randi.  That SOB owes Tom a million dollars and refuses to pay up.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 07:36:26 PM »
Don't bring up James Randi.  That SOB owes Tom a million dollars and refuses to pay up.
He owes me money also.
God is real.                                         
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 12:33:13 AM »
Don't bring up James Randi.  That SOB owes Tom a million dollars and refuses to pay up.

Aww. :(

I think iwanttobelieve needs to make a "James Randi/Other SOBs Appreciation thread".
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[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 07:24:30 AM »
why Does Randi owe you money?
hundreds have sued him and no one has won.

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Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 04:36:14 PM »
Tom thinks that gravity meets the criteria of Randi's million-dollar challenge.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2012, 08:37:42 AM »
James Randi is a spherical fundamentalist. I suggest that if the above allegations are true that Tom Bishop take legal action against him just as the great John Hampden fought a legal battle against the globularist mystic Alfred Russell Wallace. Hampden was imprisoned for his beliefs, and is a true Zetetic hero.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 09:17:14 AM »
the Amazing Randi gives out 1,000,000$ US to anyone that can conclusively prove in the supernatural.
What is supernatural about mythical gravity?

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 09:31:57 AM »
I'm curious as to the metrics used to qualify someone as the 'greatest zetetic' - care to go into more detail?

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Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 09:48:58 AM »
James Randi is a spherical fundamentalist. I suggest that if the above allegations are true that Tom Bishop take legal action against him just as the great John Hampden fought a legal battle against the globularist mystic Alfred Russell Wallace. Hampden was imprisoned for his beliefs, and is a true Zetetic hero.

Hampden was imprisoned for making death threats against Wallace.

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Thork

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 10:12:22 AM »
Hampden was imprisoned for making death threats against Wallace.
You probably haven't read the official court transcript.

http://www.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/courses/LA313_Commercial_Law/Cases/Hampden_v_Walsh.html
That's right. The court found in favour of flat earther Hampden, and ordered swindlers Walsh and Wallace to give him his money back.

Now if you have a court transcript in favour of Wallace I'd be glad to see it. Wiki seems to be very shady on the fact that Wallace did not win the bet and a court found in Hampden's favour after he tried to rob the FEr of his money.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 10:18:15 AM »
So your interpretation of the above document is that the court believed that Wallace had lost he wager and that the Earth is Flat?

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markjo

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 10:31:56 AM »
Hampden was imprisoned for making death threats against Wallace.
You probably haven't read the official court transcript.

http://www.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/courses/LA313_Commercial_Law/Cases/Hampden_v_Walsh.html
That's right. The court found in favour of flat earther Hampden, and ordered swindlers Walsh and Wallace to give him his money back.

The court decided that the the challenge that Hampden made constituded an illegal wager was therefore entitled to get his money back.  However, this does not change the fact that Hampden did unlawfully harass and threaten Walace's life on numerous occasions.
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Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 10:32:45 AM »
Thork, that case had nothing to do with who won the bet.

EDIT: Markjo beat me to it.

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markjo

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 10:35:42 AM »
Thork talks about Wallace trying to swindle Hampden when even the court knew better.  The court knew that Hampden had no intention of ever paying anyone.
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The object of the plaintiff in offering the challenge he gave was not to ascertain a scientific fact, but to establish his own view in a marked and triumphant manner. To use a common phrase, his object was to back his own opinion. No part of the money staked was to go to the party by whom the experiment was to be made.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Thork

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 10:55:03 AM »
We have 3 accounts of the Bedford level experiment.

1) Rowbotham found the earth to be flat
2) Hampden and Wallace had inconclusive results and a legal battle which the FErs won.
3) Lady Blount found the earth to be flat.

Why do RErs insist on always going to the one that was inconclusive? there are two perfectly good other accounts. The Bedford Level experiment never ever proved the earth was round. Ever. But twice showed it to be flat. How desperate that RErs would try to pick the bones of the inconclusive result and try to sniff out some conclusive meaning and hold that up as the real result.

Twice the earth was proved flat. Once results were inconclusive.

So 2 for FE, 0 for RE. 1 result nullified. Arguing the earth is round seems an exercise in semantics when faced with information like this.

That's all you need to know about the Bedford level experiments. Let me leave you with this quote.
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Rowbotham’s triumphant result stood until 1870, when naturalist, surveyor, and obvious crackpot Alfred Russel Wallace attempted to disprove the result. His endeavor ended only in a heated argument — and eventually a libel suit against the “planists.” (Round-earthers are clearly desperate men.)

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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2012, 11:05:46 AM »
James stated that Hampden was imprisoned for his belief in a flat earth. Hampden was actually imprisoned for libel, harrassment and threatening behaviour against Wallace, including sending a letter to Wallace's wife stating that her husband's head was going to be smashed to a pulp. Clearly the actions of a deranged man.

So why do you keep referring to the results of the Bedford Level Experiment instead?

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Thork

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2012, 11:10:34 AM »
Because its obvious that Wallace was trying to cheat Hampden. A court said as much. The other two results prove that can only be the case. And in seeking justice poor Hampden was driven to infuriation at the bone-headedness of globularists. I often want to smash the heads of round earthers to a pulp, myself. They are very annoying.

Quote from: Letter from Hampden to Wallace's wife
Mrs. Wallace,

Madam — If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home some day on a hurdle, with every bone in his head smashed to pulp, you will know the reason. Do you tell him from me he is a lying infernal thief, and as sure as his name is Wallace he never dies in his bed.

You must be a miserable wretch to be obliged to live with a convicted felon. Do not think or let him think I have done with him.

John Hampden
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The Terror

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Re: Greatest Zetetic
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2012, 11:21:57 AM »
Did you read the court transcript that you posted? There was no evidence that Wallace was trying to cheat Hampden. The court case was decided on precedents set in other cases, and the legality of the wager that Hampden himself proposed and advertised in a newspaper.

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2012, 11:42:57 AM »
Hampden's psychosis is likely due to phosphorus poisoning.

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markjo

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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2012, 12:27:57 PM »
Because its obvious that Wallace was trying to cheat Hampden. A court said as much.

Actually, the court said pretty much the opposite:
http://www.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/courses/LA313_Commercial_Law/Cases/Hampden_v_Walsh.html
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The object of the plaintiff in offering the challenge he gave was not to ascertain a scientific fact, but to establish his own view in a marked and triumphant manner. To use a common phrase, his object was to back his own opinion. No part of the money staked was to go to the party by whom the experiment was to be made.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.