Discard Of The Zetetic Method

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Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« on: May 16, 2012, 07:23:30 AM »
Greetings, fellow Homo sapiens and esteemed readers of other species. As a learned scholar in this collective of grate brains and wunderkinder I feel it is my responsibility - nay, duty - nay, privilege - to open my thoughts on the Zetetic Method to the scrutation of you all.
I am currently working on a book of some 300 pages, which will be published next month, covering this topic, and I delight in affording you a preview of some of its philosophical treats in this post.

1. What is Zeteticism?
According to the FE Wiki: Zeteticism is a system of scientific inquiry. Zeteticism differs from the usual scientific method in that using zeteticism one bases his conclusions on experimentation and observation rather than on an initial theory that is to be proved or disproved.
According to other sources: The term 'Zetetic' is formally defined as "one who proceeds by inquiry; a seeker." In modern usage, the term 'inquiry' is understood as 'critical inquiry,' and the zetetic is therefore best considered a 'skeptical seeker.' Zeteticism, then, is the principle and practice of being a zetetic, a skeptical seeker. In plainer terms, it is an open-minded yet realistic approach to matters of truth, philosophy, and religion. It is based in critical thinking.

So far so good, and I feel greatly honoured to hold up this platter of wisdom so you may behold it. But, my brothers, how does this relate to the shape of the earth? Well...
From the FE wiki:
In questioning the shape of the Earth the zetetic does not make a hypothesis suggesting that the Earth is round or flat and then proceed testing that hypothesis; he skips that step and devises an experiment that will determine the shape of the Earth, and bases his conclusion on the result of that experiment. Many feel this is a more reasonable method than the normal scientific method because it removes any preconceived notions and biases the formation of a hypothesis might cause, and leaves the conclusion up entirely to what is observed.

Very laudable in its openmindedness, I'm sure you all agree. But what mighty Titan would perform the experiment to find the shape of our world? Step forward the purveyor of only the very finest snake oil, none of this cheap rubbish with bits floating in it - Samuel Birley Rowbotham.
Rowbotham lived in the Victorian era, a time when everyone was either astonishingly rich or dirt poor and everything was in black and white. Science knew nothing, and Rowbotham determined to correct this by wading into a canal with a spyglass and observing things far away. From this practical and pure zetetic observation, Rowbotham discovered that the surface of the canal appeared to be flat. From this, he deduced that the earth was not a globe, but a flat plane.

Now I know what you're thinking. "Praise be for the zetetic method! Through it, Rowbotham has shown the true nature of the earth!"
But not so fast. Let us imagine what had happened if this intellectual giant had instead used the conventional scientific method in his inquiry rather than the truly zetetic one:
First, he would have made a hypothesis: "I hypothesise the earth is XYZ shape."
Then, he would have designed an experiment: "I shall wade into a canal and make observations through a spyglass."
Then, he would have seen if his results confirmed his hypothesis or not. If his hypothesis was that earth was flat, then he would have indeed been led to the same conclusion as by his zetetic enquiry. If his hypothesis was the ridiculous notion that earth was a globe (as if!) he would have been forced to reject this idea and form a new hypothesis - that the earth was flat!

I know this is probably astonishing to you, my fellow philoscientists. To discover that a zetetic enquiry and a conventional scientific one could lead to the same conclusion is mindblowing. Indeed, it is probably only because you are among the most openminded men of the world that you have not fainted away in a swoon. Or swooned away in a faint.

But this leads us to troubling dilemma which creases the brow. "Surely," you cry, "the writings of Lord Wilmore (of Conspiracy Avenue, Hibernia, Cork) tell us to reject the scientific method! Now you have shown how it just leads to the same thing as normal science!"
Yes, my brothers, that is what Wilmore says. However, should you take his word for it, or should you approach it zetetically? Zeteticism teaches you never to start from a fixed opinion - in this case the fixed opinion that Wilmore is correct that the conventional scientific method is worthless. But as I have shown above, in undeniable detail, that is not the case.
And in the next excerpt from Discard Of The Zetetic Method, I shall show you the secret wisdom of how the scientific method can even triumph over zeteticism! But that will wait for another time, as I shortly have a meeting with some snake oil importers.
Watermelon, Rhubarb Rhubarb, no one believes the Earth is Flat, Peas and Carrots,  walla.

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 07:42:43 AM »
There are some spelling errors. I do not think that the scientific method is worthless. Also, I do not live in Cork.


When you have corrected these factual and grammatical errors, we can move on to conceptual errors.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 07:57:05 AM »
I suppose you would like a snappy endorsement for the cover of your book? Mmmmm.

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No longer can we drown out the cries of the masses. DotZM screams at us like a thousand ants in unison and we are deafened. ~ Thork of the flat earth society forums, May 2012
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 07:59:16 AM by Thork »

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hoppy

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 09:22:51 AM »
op tl:dr
God is real.                                         
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9665708/Flat-Earth-Bible-02-of-10-The-Flat-Earth

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 09:28:28 AM »
op tl:dr

Please refrain from low content posting.  Telling everyone that you are too lazy to read a post adds nothing to the discussion.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 10:49:01 AM »
I suppose you would like a snappy endorsement for the cover of your book? Mmmmm.

Quote from: Thork *(in a state of blind panic)
No longer can we drown out the cries of the masses. DotZM screams at us like a thousand ants in unison and we are deafened. ~ Thork of the flat earth society forums, May 2012

I like that. I will notify the publishers of your suggestion.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012, 04:17:47 PM »
The writing style seems painfully forced.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2012, 04:26:48 PM »
The Knowledge is a liar and a troll.  Let's keep talking about how he's a liar and a troll instead of the topic.  Everyone go away and don't read the OP, he doesn't really believe it.

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 10:06:15 AM »
The Knowledge is a liar and a troll.  Let's keep talking about how he's a liar and a troll instead of the topic.  Everyone go away and don't read the OP, he doesn't really believe it.

Actually, I make the exact same argument in this thread.  Unsurprisingly, it received as much genuine rebuttal as this thread has.

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...First, I want to point out that it shouldn't make much difference whether or not the hypothesis is constructed before or after the experiment, and that in practice many hypotheses are kept in mind both before and after the experiment is conducted.  Robotham's experiment, accurate or not, can easily be described in the language of the scientific method.  Robotham had two hypotheses in mind: if the Earth is flat, I must see x.  If the Earth is round, I must see y.  It hardly matters whether he forms the hypothesis before or after the experiment.  He is using the scientific method.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 10:27:25 AM by garygreen »
Also, the people on your websites are specifically framing their claims, not to learn the truth of the matter, but because they want to "debunk" Apollo Hoax claims --

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 10:10:35 AM »
The Knowledge is a liar and a troll.  Let's keep talking about how he's a liar and a troll instead of the topic.  Everyone go away and don't read the OP, he doesn't really believe it.

That's OK, you clearly have failed to notice that I endorse FET in it. Keep going.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 02:07:11 PM »
I do not think that the scientific method is worthless.

We disagree with the scientific method.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 07:38:26 PM »
It is possible to disagree with something and not consider it to be worthless. For example, people disagree with you all the time on here, but do they necessarily think you worthless? Well, probably.

By the way, do you need an editor? It seems so.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 09:30:49 PM »
I do not think that the scientific method is worthless.

We disagree with the scientific method.


Congratulations, you're an idiot. Those two statements clearly do not contradict each other. Please get better at everything.


Also, for some reason Around And About is trying to help you. I both applaud and pity him. He is a brave soul. Nevertheless, if you can find it within the limited cognitive resources you possess to read his post, all may not be lost. Maybe.
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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 11:04:33 PM »
There are some spelling errors. I do not think that the scientific method is worthless. Also, I do not live in Cork.


When you have corrected these factual and grammatical errors, we can move on to conceptual errors.

i bet there is one Conspiracy Avenue though, so it cant be hard to find you!

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Re: Discard Of The Zetetic Method
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2012, 10:28:32 AM »
It is possible to disagree with something and not consider it to be worthless. For example, people disagree with you all the time on here, but do they necessarily think you worthless? Well, probably.

By the way, do you need an editor? It seems so.

It was the first quote I came across. I'm sure I could find something where Willy really slags off science if I could be bothered to wade through his back catalogue of typing. Or I could just fake one up, but I believe doing this sort of thing:
Quote from: Lord Wilmore
I not only live in Cork, but am also made of cork.
is severely frowned upon.
Watermelon, Rhubarb Rhubarb, no one believes the Earth is Flat, Peas and Carrots,  walla.