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Is noise music music or no?

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Noise 'music'
« on: May 07, 2012, 03:49:45 PM »
I've got a bit of trouble with this question. I don't really care what the 'answer' is, I'm just interested in hearing what everyone thinks. My knee-jerk reaction is to say "yeah, it is", but it's hard to give any real reason. There's not much of a sense of rhythm for the most part, nor a whole lot in common with any other form of music I can think of. Yet still, it's nice to listen to (for some, yes obviously not everyone likes a genre, surprise surprise).

This came to me 'cause I'm currently listening to an album Blanko recommended to me, 1930 by Merzbow. I really had no experience with noise music at all until now, but I can definitely say I'm loving every second of it. Yet at the same time it feels weird to just say "yeah, I like putting my iPod on and listening to noise".

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The title track and " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">two others.

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 04:16:04 PM »
You like it? Holy shit, I just mentioned it as a joke. I am pleasantly surprised.

Anyway, to answer the question: yes, it's music. Music is aural art and as such is not limited to structures that are considered conventional, e.g. melody and rhythm. Texture is a very significant part of music as well and it's a shame how often it's disregarded.

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 04:26:16 PM »
You like it? Holy shit, I just mentioned it as a joke. I am pleasantly surprised.
Just finishing it up, I most definitely do. Degradation of Tapes wasn't as good as the other tracks IMO, but the rest were glorious.

Texture is a very significant part of music as well and it's a shame how often it's disregarded.
I agree with this so much, and I think it's sort an answer I've been searching for. My favourite part of a song is rarely as simple as just good vocals or a catchy beat or hook, and I think the way you put it is probably the best way to describe it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 04:54:26 PM »
It's not for me, but I can't see any reason to automatically disqualify it as music.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 09:58:30 PM »
It's not for me, but I can't see any reason to automatically disqualify it as music.

I'll go with that. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 12:59:28 AM »
It's not for me, but I can't see any reason to automatically disqualify it as music.

I'll go with that.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 10:04:37 AM »
I've enjoyed listening to it before, but I have to be in just the right mood, and as such I don't do so often.

However, I'm willing to push anything through these new headphones as I'm getting familiar with them. I'll probably give 1930 a spin tomorrow.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 12:53:28 PM »
I've enjoyed listening to it before, but I have to be in just the right mood, and as such I don't do so often.

However, I'm willing to push anything through these new headphones as I'm getting familiar with them. I'll probably give 1930 a spin tomorrow.

Dude, you gotta. Merzbow is the type of music where the quality of the music varies greatly depending on the quality of the audio, so I can imagine it's going to sound heavenly on your beast of a system.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2012, 01:40:14 PM »
Listening to it makes me feel sick.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2012, 01:50:32 PM »
I remember when this was called "iDosing" and kids listened to it thinking it would make them high.  Feels like so long ago.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2012, 02:03:10 PM »
I remember when this was called "iDosing" and kids listened to it thinking it would make them high.  Feels like so long ago.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/digital-drugs/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1296282/I-dosing-How-teenagers-getting-digitally-high-music-download-internet.html

My cousin was at the forefront of i-dosing, he was the best. As producer turning out roughly 30 tracks a week. That was until the dosing got hold of him. They found him on top the multi-story flapping his arms like a bird. Thought he could fly. He has since been weaned off, but we think he'll never be able to wear earbuds again.

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2012, 02:54:08 PM »
Ecch.

I am the sole "no" vote, because that crap just offended my eardrums, but having forced myself to listen to it through instead of turning it off after a minute I guess I have to concede that it does possess the necessary characteristics of "music".

Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
One of these days, I think I should record some audio of myself just bashing a couple of rocks together, put it on YouTube, and see if anyone talks about how deep and sublime my music is, and what an innovative genius I am.

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 03:30:24 PM »
One of these days, I think I should record some audio of myself just bashing a couple of rocks together, put it on YouTube, and see if anyone talks about how deep and sublime my music is, and what an innovative genius I am.

>innovative
>implying that hasn't been done hundreds of times

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2012, 04:33:24 PM »
And to think I posted that as a joke.  Is there nothing that's bad enough to not have any serious fanbase?  What if I just pissed on my microphone, do you think that would do it?

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 04:57:25 PM »
It'd still be better than Led Zeppelin, so I don't think so.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 05:19:54 PM »
Too subtle, Blanko.

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2012, 07:12:47 PM »
There's nothing wrong with Led Zeppelin.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2012, 03:09:32 AM »
Not sure if this is playful banter or if you guys genuinely hate each other's music preferences.

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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2012, 03:16:37 AM »
I don't hate Blanko's, but he probably hates most of mine, and Saddam probably does too, and he refuses to give it a try because "it's not popular and must therefore be shit". Blanko has at least checked out some of the stuff I like and not hated it, but I'm sure he hates most of the music I listen to, because "lol, metal. Grow up".
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 07:56:33 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 11:15:05 AM »
After four minutes it's just getting damn tiresome. Still, better than most chart stuff.

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2012, 02:18:56 PM »
Troll hat off for a moment - I don't really hate the music that Mugsy listens to.  My assumption had been, based on a few bands that I had heard, that Viking metal was just another one of those super-extreme genres of metal that we see these days, like black metal or death metal.  And I maintain to this day that I can't fucking stand those kinds of metal.  Mainly because to me, their music always seems to be less about any kind of genuine musical inspiration, and more about trying to look cool.  I can just picture a typical band in their recording studio right now:

Okay, guys.  We've got to be cool.  We've got to be badass.  Being loud is cool.  Turn up the amplifiers to make it as loud as you can.  Especially on the bass.  Can't get enough bass.  Being angry is also cool, so we've got to be angry.  Everyone make sure your chords are harsh and abrupt, so we'll sound angry.  Keep that in mind for the vocals.  Don't sing the lyrics, just snarl them on the verses, and scream them on the chorus.  And make sure you imitate James Hetfield's voice as well.  Don't worry, nobody will notice.  As for the lyrics, they need to be angsty and angry.  We'll sound so cool and rebellious.  Swearing is cool too, so throw a lot of random swearwords in there.  God, we are such edgy badasses.

But after I looked up some of Mugsy's recommendations, I found that most of the Viking metal bands aren't that bad.  Is it for me, no, not really, but some of the instrumentals I did like, and it was clear that there was genuine musical talent and effort behind them, rather than some emo jackass who's more concerned about how his death growl sounds.

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2012, 05:06:24 PM »
I listen to a little noise music here and there, but it is very seldom. I need the right mood and I can't think why I really listen to it. I guess, some of it appeals in a strange way, if it is done artistically well. I know that doesn't describe it much so if we had a spectrum of say the 'snow' channel on tv at high volume on one end and say Chemical Brothers at the other end it may make a bit more sense. Now before you say Chemical Brothers isn't noise music, I would say they are on the extreme fringe, primarily because some of their music lacks consistent melody and they use a lot of industrial sounding noises, and rarely use actually proper instrumentation.
And there in lies the problem, as long as I can see some sort of semblance of structure, whether it be a complex melody, rhythm or just the way a 'song' is structured I can sometimes listen to it. A good example is pretty much a lot of the side projects or individual projects Mike Patton has got himself involved in.
However, melody is king, and is the reason pop music is popular. If you can hear/sing it in your head, it is going to get stuck there and the brain actually is able to tune in to a good melody more easier than noise. That is science, not me rambling. So, as much as I listen here and there, I still really like a good melody, like say Black Dog by Led Zeppelin.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2012, 05:18:56 PM »
No. The whole idea of "noise music" is diametrically opposed to what the definition of music is, without rhythm or melody it literally is just noise. There are lots of noises I find pleasant, birdsong, water, iron on iron etc. but none of them are music for that reason.
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2012, 05:24:35 PM »
No. The whole idea of "noise music" is diametrically opposed to what the definition of music is, without rhythm or melody it literally is just noise. There are lots of noises I find pleasant, birdsong, water, iron on iron etc. but none of them are music for that reason.
I am guessing you think all music can be nicely categorised into nice little neat boxes with no overlap into other genres.  ::)
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2012, 05:28:53 PM »
No. The whole idea of "noise music" is diametrically opposed to what the definition of music is, without rhythm or melody it literally is just noise. There are lots of noises I find pleasant, birdsong, water, iron on iron etc. but none of them are music for that reason.
I am guessing you think all music can be nicely categorised into nice little neat boxes with no overlap into other genres.  ::)

No, but the word "music" is pretty well defined. I'm not trying to diss it.
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2012, 05:33:07 PM »
No. The whole idea of "noise music" is diametrically opposed to what the definition of music is, without rhythm or melody it literally is just noise. There are lots of noises I find pleasant, birdsong, water, iron on iron etc. but none of them are music for that reason.
I am guessing you think all music can be nicely categorised into nice little neat boxes with no overlap into other genres.  ::)

No, but the word "music" is pretty well defined. I'm not trying to diss it.
Granted. But that is the appeal of noise music I think; how far can we stretch the boundaries of what is music?
For some people the goal posts are a lot wider than for others.
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2012, 05:35:38 PM »
No. The whole idea of "noise music" is diametrically opposed to what the definition of music is, without rhythm or melody it literally is just noise. There are lots of noises I find pleasant, birdsong, water, iron on iron etc. but none of them are music for that reason.
I am guessing you think all music can be nicely categorised into nice little neat boxes with no overlap into other genres.  ::)

No, but the word "music" is pretty well defined. I'm not trying to diss it.
Granted. But that is the appeal of noise music I think; how far can we stretch the boundaries of what is music?
For some people the goal posts are a lot wider than for others.

Those people are semantically incorrect.
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 07:33:31 PM »
I'm in the midst of listening to the first link Supertails had posted, 3 minutes in, it has turned into what can be described as hollow digital static, similar to a detuned HAM radio station. My dogs seem concerned. Also, the cat has left the room. I don't particularly find any part of this pleasing at all, and I don't understand why someone would choose to listen to this. In fact, I think HAM radio operators would find a new channel to communicate on if confronted with such noise. I wouldn't be surprised to know that that is exactly what this "song" was. I wouldn't classify this as music.
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