What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?

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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2017, 08:41:18 AM »
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What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
Giving stupid people something they can feel smart about.
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2017, 10:14:58 AM »
They will be tremendously disappointed by your lack of faith. Japan's lunar mission produced some of the best lunar surface imagery and surface models. You also forgot India, whose photographs are second only to the LRO in detail in places.
I gave them their fair chance, but studying the footage of the moonlanding artifacts and the end result was a waste of time and perfectly alligned in what one would expect from a cover up.
To little quality proof to make a real statement, enough blurs and dots to satisfy Apollo believers. I could have told them beforehand to go closer, or take a better pixel camera, because this way the result would not add anything at all. Of course believers were enthousiastic about the pixels that showed nothing. Like mental programs where people see their 'mummy' reflected in a blob of paint.
Japanese space exploration is in the pockets of the US , after this extremely obvious 'apollo artifacts' epos.
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Your lack of belief in China, or Russia's space research is as poor an indicator of fakery as your distrust of NASA.

Russian and Chinese imagery on the moon is an exact match for every other image you can find regardless of its source. I know this because I've looked at them all and done a considerable amount of research with them. What have you done?
The colors, the ingredients of the moon soil are different in the Chinese 'findings'.
The Apollo moon does not reflect the Chang'e 3 moon. As if we are dealing with two entirely different places. And the same goes for Russian ouctures of earth from outerspace.
Please spare me the lame explainations, which i have read, because no repair job can make me believe that Chang'e 3 was at the same place as Apollo. I am happy to have my own eyes still......
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Lack of primetime news coverage is no indicator that nothing is happening.
If it wasn't for the internet i wouldn't know much about Chinese space explorations.
I understand why tv news doesn't want to cover it, because the propaganda, fakery, indoctrinated cheering puppets are clear signs that something is wrong...... terribly wrong.
Therefore it has been ignored, while far less insignificant discoveries are receiving the spotlight...... from every corner around the world. Solar car races, polar exploration, but not the Chinese in space..... 
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The western media do not avoid China's space research - China doesn't tell everyone about it. Whenever they announce something it gets covered, otherwise how come you know so much about it?

Solely from the internet,....  heck i really didn't know about the first Chinese in orbit if it wasn't for the internet.
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That is a deliberate misinterpretation of reality, and not what was said by the Russians. Quote the exact words used.
Of course the Russians gave hints as subtle as possible....    enough for the USA to take notice. The fact that hints were given in public says enough... and i gave you a translation of the message.
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No, my views are backed up by a lot of research. Years of reading on the subject and putting in a lot of effort into looking at the material that is available and making my own judgement on it. Piles of books and research material, comparison of photo after photo, contemporaneous records and documents, all gone over with a fine toothed comb and every single piece of the puzzle matches without exception. What have you done?
I don't think i have done as much as you, but i think i have studied the spacerace for at least five years and to me the fakery becomes more obvious by the day.
The debunkers like Clavius and the mythbusters helped me a lot indrifting away from the official story . If you try to explain every detail ( from earth) without ever acknowledging any errors in the footage or the official story than it weakens your attempts in the very end.
Even those who believe in Apollo comment on clear aspects of fakery in the photography.
But the diehard amature NASA fans have defended each and every bit of the official story....
Thanks to them i can see through the fakery now.....  because it's a religious way of dealing with outsidersand their critics.
Far more clever would be to acknowledge some obvious fakery with convinient explainations. But no, each and every bit of Apollo data was real, authentic and genuine, not updated in time, not changed, not deliberately destroyed, etc...

It is beyond absurd really....

Sorry typing quikly from an Ipad does my grammar no good...... i have to work now..

The thing that stands out very clearly from your post here and in other threads is that it wouldn't matter if you were tied to a rocket and landed on the remains of a lunar module, if NASA took you there you wouldn't believe it. I cba to parse your reply, but I will respond to some points:

*China's data in no way contradicts anyone else's. NASA's LRO probe has found where it is, and their landing and surface video corresponds with every other image taken of the moon. The mass media have covered their space achievements, specialist media have covered it in plenty of detail. You can even explore their website yourself.

http://moon.bao.ac.cn/en/index.jhtml

I downloaded every tile from CE-1 and CE-2 before they upgraded their site and have the surface DEM that allows me to model from it. They publish data in journals and at conferences.

*Japan's data is extremely good, and your only criticism seems to be that they are friends with the US. Tough. The data are either correct or they are not. The resolution of their images is not good enough to resolves small details like Apollo hardware, but it is good enough to see other things that you can see in Apollo images. Again, it's very easy to make 3D models of the lunar surface and replicate scenes taken by Apollo that match exactly. You not liking the data quality, or the source, is not a good indicator of its veracity.

*Russia's images of Earth are fine, even the ones taken in the 1960s. They shared their lunar samples with many nations (not just the US) and their images of Earth from lunar orbit are an exact match for what can be seen in US weather satellite images. The images from their lunokhod probes show scenery that can be verified by modern probes.

*Show me anyone who believes we went to the moon who says their is clear evidence of fakery (though if all you have is UFO nutjobs don't waste my time with it).

Your only argument against the Apollo missions seems to be that you do't like NASA. Not good enough.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2017, 10:42:02 AM »
Wait. Don't flat earther's believe that there are no satellites and no one even reached space?
Yes it is a real option nowadays, because :
We don't believe fuck about satelites that were launched in the fifties and sixties without any means to correct their orbital course when needed.
They looked and were basically trashcans WITHOUT solar panels but supposed conventional propulsion during all those years they remain in the precise bandwidth of their orbit.
Of course now the CGI satelites have all these fancy solar panels,.....look at those trashcans from the fifties. No way they can stay in orbit for the decades to come......it's hilarious on all accounts.
After seeing so much insult towards the intellectual mind, most started to doubt the whole satelite program.
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Why even bother commenting on the pixel resolution of their images?
Well sir, because when i studied those images, i wasn't dismissing satelites...yet...
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You guys claim that all these NASA pictures are photoshopped and yet you studied them?
It's a process of thought....of course we believed in daddy NASA as ignorant sheep....just like you....we understand the difficulties involved when growing up.
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Just say that you believe in the bible and there is a glass dome. End of story.
Mmmmm...no, i have no real opinion about a dome, or glas ceiling or impenetrable plasmafield yet....
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But if it was of higher quality, you would claim that it was done in photoshop.
Higher quality doesn't mean enhancing raw material into fantasy territory.
Like the long legs and perfect skin of models......that doesn't reflect reality, it is selling a fantasy. Fantasies are good for marketing goals.
NASA is selling a gallactic fantasy  ;D
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The flat earther's response booklet goes like this:
1. If image is of good quality, don't mention the quality. Just state that it is photoshopped
Says a glober who thinks the perfect Chicago skyline photographed by Joshua Nowicki is in fact a superior mirage.
What looks real is in fact a double backflip fata morgana...and what looks extremely fake even for a five year old is NASA's reality from outerspace.
And do you know if you see the earth as a globe or distorted shape from a distance halfway to the moon ?
The strong gravitational field of earth is bending the light rays,..what are the chances we see earth as a globe watching from 150.000 km?
And when we do, shouldn't that indicate the earth has a different shape than what is observed ?
You and i don't know,... what we do know AS RABINOZ HAS PROVED SO CLEARLY WITH A MODEL GLOBE, is that NASA took a small globe and took photo's and used it for all their coming blue marble CGI .Therefor the sizes of continents change over time, because that happens when viewing a small globe from different angles and optics.
But how anyone would view the earth from 150.000 km, remains a mystery, because we don't know how the gravitational field of earth is indeed curving the rays reaching the observer with a distorted shape of earth as consequences.
But the chances we see earth just as we would observe a tiny children's globe from the other side of the room is highly unlikely.
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2. Ask for a continuous 24h video. If he then gives you a link, state that it is some edited video.
We simply don't want crap like the black marble with fantasy lightening bolts and ongoing fires in Western Australia, because NASA captures data from various dates and puts it together into a fake looking fantasy timelaps film.
What is good enough for you is not good enough for a more nuanced take on reality.
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3. If a low resolution photo or video of the moon surface is given, say that you studied it and that they should get a high resolution camera. (Why you would study the photos? After all, you claim that everything coming from them is photoshopped).
We made a conclusion after studying most photographic material....assuming it was from the moon. The conclusion NOW is that NASA has faked the entire Apollo program.
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4. Also, state that the radiation level in the Van Allen belt is very high. The information comes from NASA and we trust them, but also, donít trust them.
James van Allen connected his Geiger counters to weather balloons at first measuring extremely unhealthy levels for humans.
Of course during the Apollo aftermath when the moonlandings were prophecised by Kennedy and became a certainty during the crook Nixon administration, the VAB became a not so dangerous airea that you could simply avoid by taking a cleverly calculated shortcut.
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5. Mention the NASA logo from time to time. Say that it has a serpentís tongue.
All their names and eblems are prophetic occult directions and the dates and other math is pointing towards the ancient numerology of the freemasons.
But you shouldn't try the wrap your head around those things, ....so YES NASA HAS SOME VERY NICE LOGO'S look really cool !
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6. Throw Illuminati and mason.
Examine all things.........never use words you don't understand or only understand from the first page of google.....it makes you look very dumb.
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7. Tell them that planes that fly around the globe have a gyroscope on board and that it does not turn. If the Earth was a globe, they would turn.
Also, tell them that when planes fly around the globe are actually going around in circles around the North pole. (Donít mention the gyroscope thingy. Maybe the rounder earther wonít notice.)
Yes that's how a gyroscope works....funny thing is your Foucault pendulum is a proven fraud and the ordinary gyroscope flatearther's strenght.
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8. Donít mention that the reason you believe in a flat earth and a dome are the jews. Mention it when space telescope data, amateur pictures of satellites are provided. Mention that there is a dome and you canít go into space.
I am no antisemite or holoucaust denier and therefor i'm no fan of Eric Dubay......all about researching things that matter to you.
You should try yourself, instead of trying to be a smartass  ::)
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2017, 01:20:11 PM »
Wait. Don't flat earther's believe that there are no satellites and no one even reached space?
Yes it is a real option nowadays, because :
We don't believe fuck about satelites that were launched in the fifties and sixties without any means to correct their orbital course when needed.
They looked and were basically trashcans WITHOUT solar panels but supposed conventional propulsion during all those years they remain in the precise bandwidth of their orbit.
Of course now the CGI satelites have all these fancy solar panels,.....look at those trashcans from the fifties. No way they can stay in orbit for the decades to come......it's hilarious on all accounts.
After seeing so much insult towards the intellectual mind, most started to doubt the whole satelite program.
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Why even bother commenting on the pixel resolution of their images?
Well sir, because when i studied those images, i wasn't dismissing satelites...yet...
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You guys claim that all these NASA pictures are photoshopped and yet you studied them?
It's a process of thought....of course we believed in daddy NASA as ignorant sheep....just like you....we understand the difficulties involved when growing up.
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Just say that you believe in the bible and there is a glass dome. End of story.
Mmmmm...no, i have no real opinion about a dome, or glas ceiling or impenetrable plasmafield yet....
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But if it was of higher quality, you would claim that it was done in photoshop.
Higher quality doesn't mean enhancing raw material into fantasy territory.
Like the long legs and perfect skin of models......that doesn't reflect reality, it is selling a fantasy. Fantasies are good for marketing goals.
NASA is selling a gallactic fantasy  ;D
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The flat earther's response booklet goes like this:
1. If image is of good quality, don't mention the quality. Just state that it is photoshopped
Says a glober who thinks the perfect Chicago skyline photographed by Joshua Nowicki is in fact a superior mirage.
What looks real is in fact a double backflip fata morgana...and what looks extremely fake even for a five year old is NASA's reality from outerspace.
And do you know if you see the earth as a globe or distorted shape from a distance halfway to the moon ?
The strong gravitational field of earth is bending the light rays,..what are the chances we see earth as a globe watching from 150.000 km?
And when we do, shouldn't that indicate the earth has a different shape than what is observed ?
You and i don't know,... what we do know AS RABINOZ HAS PROVED SO CLEARLY WITH A MODEL GLOBE, is that NASA took a small globe and took photo's and used it for all their coming blue marble CGI .Therefor the sizes of continents change over time, because that happens when viewing a small globe from different angles and optics.
But how anyone would view the earth from 150.000 km, remains a mystery, because we don't know how the gravitational field of earth is indeed curving the rays reaching the observer with a distorted shape of earth as consequences.
But the chances we see earth just as we would observe a tiny children's globe from the other side of the room is highly unlikely.
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2. Ask for a continuous 24h video. If he then gives you a link, state that it is some edited video.
We simply don't want crap like the black marble with fantasy lightening bolts and ongoing fires in Western Australia, because NASA captures data from various dates and puts it together into a fake looking fantasy timelaps film.
What is good enough for you is not good enough for a more nuanced take on reality.
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3. If a low resolution photo or video of the moon surface is given, say that you studied it and that they should get a high resolution camera. (Why you would study the photos? After all, you claim that everything coming from them is photoshopped).
We made a conclusion after studying most photographic material....assuming it was from the moon. The conclusion NOW is that NASA has faked the entire Apollo program.
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4. Also, state that the radiation level in the Van Allen belt is very high. The information comes from NASA and we trust them, but also, donít trust them.
James van Allen connected his Geiger counters to weather balloons at first measuring extremely unhealthy levels for humans.
Of course during the Apollo aftermath when the moonlandings were prophecised by Kennedy and became a certainty during the crook Nixon administration, the VAB became a not so dangerous airea that you could simply avoid by taking a cleverly calculated shortcut.
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5. Mention the NASA logo from time to time. Say that it has a serpentís tongue.
All their names and eblems are prophetic occult directions and the dates and other math is pointing towards the ancient numerology of the freemasons.
But you shouldn't try the wrap your head around those things, ....so YES NASA HAS SOME VERY NICE LOGO'S look really cool !
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6. Throw Illuminati and mason.
Examine all things.........never use words you don't understand or only understand from the first page of google.....it makes you look very dumb.
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7. Tell them that planes that fly around the globe have a gyroscope on board and that it does not turn. If the Earth was a globe, they would turn.
Also, tell them that when planes fly around the globe are actually going around in circles around the North pole. (Donít mention the gyroscope thingy. Maybe the rounder earther wonít notice.)
Yes that's how a gyroscope works....funny thing is your Foucault pendulum is a proven fraud and the ordinary gyroscope flatearther's strenght.
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8. Donít mention that the reason you believe in a flat earth and a dome are the jews. Mention it when space telescope data, amateur pictures of satellites are provided. Mention that there is a dome and you canít go into space.
I am no antisemite or holoucaust denier and therefor i'm no fan of Eric Dubay......all about researching things that matter to you.
You should try yourself, instead of trying to be a smartass  ::)

It really looks like there is no hope for you.
I think flat earthers rob themselves of the joy of science and learning in favour of intense negative thinking that rotates around conspiracies and hoaxes.

Just now the CassiniĖHuygens satellite is swooping between Saturn's rings, having discovering new things about Saturn and its moons. The James Web telescope is due to lift off in 2018. Once operational it will provide a view on the universe like never before. On the ground the new VLT in Chile will allow us to look at planets around nearby stars.....

The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2017, 02:14:36 PM »
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Yes it is a real option nowadays, because :
We don't believe fuck about satellites that were launched in the fifties and sixties without any means to correct their orbital course when needed.

I was referring to
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/faq
ďWhile one can see satellites in the sky at night, it is generally agreed upon that they are not actual satellites but pseudolites or stratolites put there to fool us.Ē

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Of course now the CGI satelites have all these fancy solar panels

The satellites are visible to basically anyone:
RALF VANDEBERG, LíASTRONOME AMATEUR QUI TRAQUE LíISS
http://blogs.futura-sciences.com/feldmann/2015/04/10/ralf-vandeberg-lastronome-amateur-qui-traque-liss/

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look at those trashcans from the fifties. No way they can stay in orbit for the decades to come.

Which trashcan?
Give me a source.

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Well sir, because when i studied those images, i wasn't dismissing satelites...yet...

I see.
So you believe that all the satellites that they build, they donít put them in space?

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It's a process of thought....of course we believed in daddy NASA as ignorant sheep....just like you....we understand the difficulties involved when growing up.

Do you believe Roscosmos, JAXA, CNSA?

What are the difficulties?

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Mmmmm...no, i have no real opinion about a dome, or glas ceiling or impenetrable plasmafield yet....

Alright. Perhaps you arenít a bible sheep. In that case, I apply that to the bible sheep who donít question it.

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Higher quality doesn't mean enhancing raw material into fantasy territory.
Like the long legs and perfect skin of models......that doesn't reflect reality, it is selling a fantasy. Fantasies are good for marketing goals.
NASA is selling a gallactic fantasy


I was talking from my personal experience: FE seem to have these options available to them
1.   a picture is of low quality
2.   when it is of high quality, they say it is CGI.

In some cases, such as the photo of the entire planet or a video from a amateur, the 2 options are:
1.   fish eye lens
2.   it is a composite image and it is edited to make the planet look spherical because the government is lying to us.

There might be others that I have missed.
I think you guys also use the ďthey work for the government and therefore they earn money by lyingĒ.

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Says a glober who thinks the perfect Chicago skyline photographed by Joshua Nowicki is in fact a superior mirage.

I havenít seen it.

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And do you know if you see the earth as a globe or distorted shape from a distance halfway to the moon ?

Perhaps and perhaps not.

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The strong gravitational field of earth is bending the light rays,..what are the chances we see earth as a globe watching from 150.000 km?

You think that gravity exists?
According to
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/faq
ďGravity as a theory is false. Objects simply fall.

In the flat earth community there are several theories as to why this happens. Some attempt to explain this with use of mechanics like electromagnetism, density, or pressure. Others make use of traditional mathematics, such as the infinite plane model, and others a new look at the problem - such as the non-euclidean model.

What is certain is sphere earth gravity is not tenable in any way shape or form.Ē

So, the question is, why do you believe that gravity exists?
Why do you think that it bends light?

By how much does it bend?

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But the chances we see earth just as we would observe a tiny children's globe from the other side of the room is highly unlikely.

Chances? This isnít a matter of statistics.

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We simply don't want crap like the black marble with fantasy lightening bolts and ongoing fires in Western Australia, because NASA captures data from various dates and puts it together into a fake looking fantasy timelaps film.
What is good enough for you is not good enough for a more nuanced take on reality.

NASA captures data? You mean they actually photograph the Earth from high altitude?

Do you have any pictures of the Earth from high altitude that you trust?

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We made a conclusion after studying most photographic material....assuming it was from the moon. The conclusion NOW is that NASA has faked the entire Apollo program.

Then how did they install retroreflectors on the moon and get moon rocks?

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James van Allen connected his Geiger counters to weather balloons at first measuring extremely unhealthy levels for humans.
Of course during the Apollo aftermath when the moonlandings were prophecised by Kennedy and became a certainty during the Nixon administration, the VAB became a not so dangerous airea that you could simply avoid by taking a cleverly calculated shortcut.

Can you show me a source for that?
Why do you trust James van Allen?
You mention that the VAB areas are dangerous. What are the radiation levels?

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All their names and eblems are prophetic occult directions and the dates and other math is pointing towards the ancient numerology of the freemasons.
But you shouldn't try the wrap your head around those things, ....so YES NASA HAS SOME VERY NICE LOGO'S look really cool !

You mentioned dates and math. Can you show me.
Also, do you have a problem with freemasons?
Actually, I want to wrap my head around you. I want to know what makes you tick.


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Examine all things.........never use words you don't understand or only understand from the first page of google.....it makes you look very dumb.

I am examining you. I am only being honest here. I am here to know about whoever is in these forums.


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Yes that's how a gyroscope works....funny thing is your Foucault pendulum is a proven fraud and the ordinary gyroscope flatearther's strenght.


Perhaps you didnít understand.
PART 1
A FE claimed that if a plane flies straight, then it would go into space. I responded with: the plane follows the curvature of the Earth and it maintains its height relative to the ground (more or less). He said that if that was true, then the gyroscope that is onboard would show that the plane is changing direction, but in actuality, it does not. I said SHOW ME your sources. That killed the conversation.

PART 2
On another occasion, perhaps by watching the Youtube videos you guys upload, a flat earther says that when planes circumnavigate the globe (this argument pops up often by RE so the FE was trying to explain away the problem), the plane actually goes in circles around the North. He forgot to mention the gyroscope issue.

Therefore, PART1 and PART2 donít match up.

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I am no antisemite or holoucaust denier and therefor i'm no fan of Eric Dubay......all about researching things that matter to you.
You should try yourself, instead of trying to be a smartass

Who is Eric Dubay?
Iím not trying to be a smart ass. I am just stating facts.
The flat earth and earth dome thing is a jewish belief.
Quite a lot of flat earthers, possibly all, believe in a flat earth because of the jewish religion and derivative religions.
Do some youtube searches and see for yourself.

This guy (Donald E. Simanek, Emeritus Prof. of Physics, Lock Haven University of Pennsylvania
) noticed it as well and wrote a page about it
https://www.lhup.edu//flat/flateart.htm
https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/round-spin.htm


Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2017, 02:16:23 PM »
The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.

Exactly,

Do you believe in the possibility of Aliens?
And the sky was made of amethyst
And all the stars were just like little fish

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2017, 02:29:20 PM »
The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.

Exactly,

Do you believe in the possibility of Aliens?

It depends what you mean?
Do I believe that other life forms exist in the universe, then I have to say the odds are pretty high given the number of planets out there, and given the number that will have liquid water.

The odds of bacterial life is possibly quite high, as for higher life forms, who knows, and as for intelegent beings then your guess is as good as the next fellows.

Do I belive we have been visited by green or grey space travelling aliens who are into probing in a big way......no.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 02:33:40 PM by Lonegranger »

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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2017, 03:21:41 PM »
It really looks like there is no hope for you.
I think flat earthers rob themselves of the joy of science and learning in favour of intense negative thinking that rotates around conspiracies and hoaxes.
The most important thing you seem to forget is that there was a time i had great pleasure in cosmology and science fiction.
I did not fail in society, have a loving and caring healthy family and more....enjoy making music and have some very good friends.
I am intrigued by history and the power to rule always corrupts those who are in control......all the time, without any exception.
Those in power are going to spread lies and do anything to remain in total power or expand their power.
You are just a spag on the timeline of history and sadly convinced that in your era there is of course some power abuse going on, but in the end we are the civilised modern western world and we are morally superiour to other cultures and our own past of slavery and worldwide exploitation.
You are very wrong, our timeframe contains the same amount of evildoers and power abusers, nothing has changed, only the format in which the abuse takes place is more advanced and specialised.
I feel sorry for you that you just don't get it.
Look at what kind of waste and consumers society we have developed. Earth is not holding on much longer.....
Do you really think that the powers who inveted the wordlwide financial system of debts, the oildollar, the weapons industry, unhealthy cheap fastfood and other cancerous forms of extreme ignorant consumerism cannot fake space ?
Boy.....the evidence is all over the place....evil rules. And because it rules it has no obligation to proclaim the truth. As long as we believe our modern times are advanced and prosperous...untill the nano plastic parts from the ocean soup will penetrade our bodies, we will realise that something was very wrong about our way of life.
Fake space has helped the nihilistic attitude of indifference and consumerism. We are just a tiny spag in time and space, it doesn't matter what you do on the grand scale of things, god does no longer exist in an ever expanding universe and if we destroy this world maybe our future generations will have a space colony ready for departure. Because that is the programmed format that is repeated over and over again in science fiction stories, series and movies.
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Just now the CassiniĖHuygens satellite is swooping between Saturn's rings, having discovering new things about Saturn and its moons. The James Web telescope is due to lift off in 2018. Once operational it will provide a view on the universe like never before. On the ground the new VLT in Chile will allow us to look at planets around nearby stars.....

The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.
Not all is a hoax,...what are you talking about ? Groundbased observatory are real, Hubble is not.
Rockets are real, human spacetravel beyond a few hundred miles is not.
Technology in action on earth is real, hypothetical made up space fantasies are not.

You are extremely closeminded, because i can believe all you have said,......heck i could even give a presentation about the great apollo achievements of the past, without anyone noticing i do not believe in those events.
You on the otherhand have never given it a fair chance.....
What if the most important space achievements of mankind were faked since WW2....you simply cannot ask yourself that question, because your defence mechanisms will kick in.


Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2017, 05:52:04 PM »
The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.

Exactly,

Do you believe in the possibility of Aliens?

It depends what you mean?
Do I believe that other life forms exist in the universe, then I have to say the odds are pretty high given the number of planets out there, and given the number that will have liquid water.

The odds of bacterial life is possibly quite high, as for higher life forms, who knows, and as for intelegent beings then your guess is as good as the next fellows.

Do I belive we have been visited by green or grey space travelling aliens who are into probing in a big way......no.

I agree with Lonegranger.

As for aliens having more or less human intelligence, I think the chances are low while some scientists say the chances are high.

I say it is low because look around you. Out of millions of species that are alive today, how many have a full language, do abstract math, explore the universe, try to understand what matter and energy is?

This is probably because physical features, physical defenses, chemical defenses evolve first, way before a neural network develops. So, most of the evolutionary history of the Earth is filled with dumb creatures, brainless bacteria, brainless amoeba, brainless plants.

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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2017, 06:44:15 PM »
The sad thing is all you cynical close minded flat heads will shake your heads, cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears.....and claim its all a giant hoax, evenalthough its all real.

Exactly,

Do you believe in the possibility of Aliens?

It depends what you mean?
Do I believe that other life forms exist in the universe, then I have to say the odds are pretty high given the number of planets out there, and given the number that will have liquid water.

The odds of bacterial life is possibly quite high, as for higher life forms, who knows, and as for intelegent beings then your guess is as good as the next fellows.

Do I belive we have been visited by green or grey space travelling aliens who are into probing in a big way......no.

I agree with Lonegranger.

As for aliens having more or less human intelligence, I think the chances are low while some scientists say the chances are high.

I say it is low because look around you. Out of millions of species that are alive today, how many have a full language, do abstract math, explore the universe, try to understand what matter and energy is?

This is probably because physical features, physical defenses, chemical defenses evolve first, way before a neural network develops. So, most of the evolutionary history of the Earth is filled with dumb creatures, brainless bacteria, brainless amoeba, brainless plants.

1. Intelligent life on earth.

2. Infinite universe.

3. Infinite chance of of other intelligent life.



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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2017, 07:59:00 PM »
I'm with Dutchy,

Those who believe that Alien life is possible have been primed to accept a lie.
Sure, its only my opinion, but if someone swooped down in a spaceship tomorrow my worldview could not account for it, so despite all the evidence to the contrary, I would know its a deception. Those who hold to the possibility of Alien life cannot say the same.

Of course i'm working from a domed model so if a submarine fell out of the sky then I might change my mind.
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2017, 09:19:34 PM »
I'm with Dutchy,

Those who believe that Alien life is possible have been primed to accept a lie.
Sure, its only my opinion, but if someone swooped down in a spaceship tomorrow my worldview could not account for it, so despite all the evidence to the contrary, I would know its a deception. Those who hold to the possibility of Alien life cannot say the same.

Of course i'm working from a domed model so if a submarine fell out of the sky then I might change my mind.

What Dome? There is no Dome.
This has been said countless times, but go out on a clear cloudless and moonless night away from light polution and look up......depending where you are you will see satellites...whizzing across the sky. One thing you won't see is any Dome, yet you hang on to that belief. Why?

You flat earth types constantly go on about non FE believers being closed minded and ready to accept whatever is fed to them. The reality is, the reverse is true.

You say you belive in a Dome.....prove it.......but you can't as no such thing exists. It's all a figment or your elaborate FE construct that rejects anything, regardless, that contradicts any of your fanciful beliefs.

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2017, 10:09:58 PM »
I'm with Dutchy,

Those who believe that Alien life is possible have been primed to accept a lie.
Sure, its only my opinion, but if someone swooped down in a spaceship tomorrow my worldview could not account for it, so despite all the evidence to the contrary, I would know its a deception. Those who hold to the possibility of Alien life cannot say the same.

Of course i'm working from a domed model so if a submarine fell out of the sky then I might change my mind.

It's good to question things, to have doubt, to reverify certain experiments.
Being a skeptic is fine. This kind of attitude is what shaped modern science. It also should be done by many people. It acts as a filter to keep the crap out as much as possible.

However, you should do the same with religions as well. (Yes, all religions, including your current religion).

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2017, 10:57:08 PM »
You flat earth types constantly go on about non FE believers being closed minded and ready to accept whatever is fed to them. The reality is, the reverse is true.

I never said you were close minded, I think you are very open minded.
It obvious that I am not as open minded as you, I do not believe in Aliens.
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2017, 11:00:31 PM »

However, you should do the same with religions as well. (Yes, all religions, including your current religion).

Do you have a current religious conviction?
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2017, 01:00:34 AM »
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2. Infinite universe
It's not.
Anyway, even if it was, you can have an infinite amount of numbers but it can still happen that one particular number (e.g. 6) occures only once.
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2017, 02:01:34 AM »
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2. Infinite universe
It's not.
Anyway, even if it was, you can have an infinite amount of numbers but it can still happen that one particular number (e.g. 6) occures only once.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/105-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/our-place-in-the-universe/635-if-the-universe-is-infinite-does-that-mean-there-is-an-infinite-number-of-me-s-intermediate
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2017, 03:32:28 AM »
Is it a psyop to undermine and discredit conspiracy theorists in the event they stumble across something that actually is true?

Why the flat earth lie?

Maybe because the internet has run out of conspiracy theories so its scraping the bottom of the barrel by speaking the truth for once. And besides that, most conspiracy theory folk can't stand FET as it destroys their buisness model. (No reptilians here)

But if I could have a stab at a conspiracy regarding FET how about this one.
Pay some racist Anti Semites lots of money to spread their disgusting racial garbage in amongst their Flat Earth vids so that the populace believes every FET advocate is a nazi.   

How's that for a grand theory,,,
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2017, 05:29:49 AM »
Is it a psyop to undermine and discredit conspiracy theorists in the event they stumble across something that actually is true?

Why the flat earth lie?

Maybe because the internet has run out of conspiracy theories so its scraping the bottom of the barrel by speaking the truth for once. And besides that, most conspiracy theory folk can't stand FET as it destroys their buisness model. (No reptilians here)

But if I could have a stab at a conspiracy regarding FET how about this one.
Pay some racist Anti Semites lots of money to spread their disgusting racial garbage in amongst their Flat Earth vids so that the populace believes every FET advocate is a nazi.   

How's that for a grand theory,,,

That is an interesting idea - in that I've often seen anti Semitic Facebook posts alongside the Flat Earth ones.

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 07:01:18 AM »
But if I could have a stab at a conspiracy regarding FET how about this one.
Pay some racist Anti Semites lots of money to spread their disgusting racial garbage in amongst their Flat Earth vids so that the populace believes every FET advocate is a nazi.   

How's that for a grand theory,,,

To what are you referring to?
Which video?

No, I don't think any flat earthers are anti semites. I haven't seen any yet.
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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2017, 12:02:18 PM »
I've seen through, and judging by the comments here, most others have also seen through the deliberate attempts to deceive on posted FE videos.

The various memes and videos that so many FE people refer to often have quite clever manipulations in their presentation - almost like stage magician techniques in their approaches. Diversion and deflection. These aren't accidents or mistakes.

As an example, the subject matter I'm interested in is aviation. I am a qualified pilot and I know through my practical training and theory study, along with real world experience, that the earth is round.

Many FE people try to use aviation aspects as a "proof" which can decieve the less knowledgeable. I've had pretty much all of my comments deleted from YouTube videos when challenging flat earthers that claim to be pilots. I will confidently make the statement that there are no pilots that believe in flat earth (if you think you know of one, please point me in their direction and I will call them out like I have done with all the other liars).

So for me there is a deliberate attempt to deceive taking place. But why? Is it simply to generate clickbait revenue on those YouTube videos? Is it an academic experiment into gullibility? Is it a huge excercise in trolling? Is it a psyop to undermine and discredit conspiracy theorists in the event they stumble across something that actually is true?

Why the flat earth lie?

Why the kennykirklan lie? What is your purpose?

There is many, many pilots are believing the earths to be flat. I know that because a lot of them asking me for "true routes" after they saw nonsences on the maps.

They are afraid of being excluded at the same time. This is the afraiding most of flat earth believers have. Because the Inquisition is working against those who believe in flat earth. So they keep their identity secret.

Why is round lie?

Anyone out there versed in this particular language?  If so, a quick translation would be appreciated.

Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2017, 05:23:28 PM »

However, you should do the same with religions as well. (Yes, all religions, including your current religion).

Do you have a current religious conviction?

No. All the standard religions are sub-standard in terms of evidence, therefore I would say they are all bulldink. Some of the most popular religions are written on goats and degraded plant matter. The writings have been done by human hands, using human tools and at the same time, they want to convince people of ultra perfection (super ultra heaven and super ultra gods). Is telepathy not available to these gods? Are better communication tools not available? Exactly how busy are these gods?

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Re: What is the purpose of the Flat Earth lie?
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2017, 06:13:57 PM »
Evidence for a single souce of energy / creation is abundant.

Please see,

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The Big Bang theory, built upon the equations of classical general relativity, indicates a singularity at the origin of cosmic time; this infinite energy density is regarded as impossible in physics.
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