Antipodal tides

A flat earth would have no antipodal tides.

Antipodal tides are the ones on the opposite side of the earth from the moon. On a flat earth, they are across the disc from the earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

To me this destroys Flat Earth Hypothesis. Like literally, there is no way to counter that. They'll probably make up some shite about a unicorn pulling on the surface of the water that no one has every seen. Or AETHERIC WIND

No, it's a much simpler argument from the FE side, if it can be called an argument: Have you actually seen these tide occurring on opposite sides of the Earth?

No, it's a much simpler argument from the FE side, if it can be called an argument: Have you actually seen these tide occurring on opposite sides of the Earth?

Yes, I've seen it personally. Everyone who lives near or visits shorelines and has ever paid attention to tides has seen this. Ask any boater, fisherman, ocean lifeguard or someone else who would pay attention to that sort of thing. Alternatively you could just look at some tide charts, see that high tides occur approximately every 12 hours and recognize that people use these tide charts accurately for navigation.

The charts are created to support the RET conspiracy, dontcha know.

The charts are created to support the RET conspiracy, dontcha know.

But they're accurate, which means that the effect must be explained.

I love that the FEers are so damned predictable we can argue against them without them even being here.

Tides are caused by the pulling of water by the moon and the sun.  The absence of this pulling causes water to recede in the places where the pulling is the weakest.  This gives the illusion of a round earth.

Tides are caused by the pulling of water by the moon and the sun.  The absence of this pulling causes water to recede in the places where the pulling is the weakest.  This gives the illusion of a round earth.

You're talking about the sublunar tide (and the smaller subsolar tide). I'm asking about the antipodal tide. The moon takes 24 hours and 50 minutes to return to the same point in the say. High tides happen every 12 hours and 25 minutes (with slight variation due to the interference of the solar tides). The high tide that occurs when the moon is nowhere to be seen is called the antipodal tide. How does it happen?

Along similar lines...

Why is it that if the moon is at a constant altitude above the (flat) earth's surface, we have major differences in high tide levels at different times?  In some parts of North western Australia, high tides can vary by 2m or more.  Shouldn't the high tide be constant throughout the year, or varying at least on a cyclical or regularly occurring basis?  (Which they're not.)

Along similar lines...

Why is it that if the moon is at a constant altitude above the (flat) earth's surface, we have major differences in high tide levels at different times?  In some parts of North western Australia, high tides can vary by 2m or more.  Shouldn't the high tide be constant throughout the year, or varying at least on a cyclical or regularly occurring basis?  (Which they're not.)

Don't use this one. Once you correct for weather you're actually wrong. The big factors in tidal variation other than things like storm surge are the angle between the sun and the moon as viewed from the earth and the time of year, due to axial tilt. These factors vary predictably and periodically. And of course the final result is heavily influenced by the topography of the sea bed in the area being considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide#Tidal_constituents

Don't use this one. Once you correct for weather you're actually wrong.

I think you might've missed the point I was making for the flat earthers to debate.  They reckon their moon is orbiting the earth in a fixed circular orbit at an altitude of only 3,000 miles, and there is no axial tilt.  If this were the case, then all tides should never vary substantially, and be exactly periodic.

It's very difficult to discuss things like tides though, as we round earthers have to try and incorporate flat earth thinking into our reasoning, so the finer points can end up as a bit of a dog's dinner.

It's very difficult to discuss things like tides though, as we round earthers have to try and incorporate flat earth thinking into our reasoning, so the finer points can end up as a bit of a dog's dinner.

But that's half the fun

Tides are caused by the pulling of water by the moon and the sun.  The absence of this pulling causes water to recede in the places where the pulling is the weakest.  This gives the illusion of a round earth.

Interesting that the only answer offered by a flat earther utilises the round earth model LOL.  Except in this case, the round earth is purportedly only an illusion.

Can a flat earther explain exactly what mechanism causes this "illusion", how it's perceived by us, and how it indicates falsely that the earth is round?  Or, conversely, proves that the earth is flat?

Are we just going to neglect the fact that gravity doesn't exist in FET anyway? Even if it did exist, a 32-mile chunk of rock wouldn't have enough mass to noticeably change the sea level. Flat-earthers would have to create yet another baseless ad hoc hypothesis that makes Occam's Razor, which is logically fallacious in itself to begin with, even more hypocritical for them to use.