Is higher education in America a "bubble"?

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Trekky0623

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Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« on: April 23, 2012, 02:47:34 PM »
Every year, tuition rises. And it's not just that it's rising, but it's rising at an alarming rate. Has the cost of higher education exceeded its actual value? And will this bubble pop?

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Lorddave

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 04:10:55 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 05:10:49 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
hah wut no
Tons of office jobs don't require degrees.

My degree is definitely not worth the money. I'll probably be paying back loans for the rest of my life and my university is pretty cheap.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 05:49:37 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
hah wut no
Tons of office jobs don't require degrees.
Please name 5.

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My degree is definitely not worth the money. I'll probably be paying back loans for the rest of my life and my university is pretty cheap.
Seriously?
I'll be done in like 5 years.  And I spent about $50,000.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 06:09:16 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
hah wut no
Tons of office jobs don't require degrees.
Please name 5.
Data entry, service representative, secretary, personal assistant, HR, and other jobs I've applied for. There's a ton with obscure names that I can't think of off the top of my head.
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My degree is definitely not worth the money. I'll probably be paying back loans for the rest of my life and my university is pretty cheap.
Seriously?
I'll be done in like 5 years.  And I spent about $50,000.
Well I averaged about 10,000 per semester and liberal arts is a thankless area of study. I almost have to get a Master's to make it worthwhile.

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Lorddave

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 06:17:00 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
hah wut no
Tons of office jobs don't require degrees.
Please name 5.
Data entry, service representative, secretary, personal assistant, HR, and other jobs I've applied for. There's a ton with obscure names that I can't think of off the top of my head.
Data Entry - Ok.
Service Representative - Depends on the service.  Low level "call people" sure.  But nothing you can live off of.
Secretary - Depends on the company.
Personal Assistant - Same as a Secretary.
HR - Ok, this one you need a degree in management.  If you found one where you don't, it's a lie or a scam or a really shitty job. 

Honestly, I don't know where you're applying for work, but it sounds like really crappy jobs.


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My degree is definitely not worth the money. I'll probably be paying back loans for the rest of my life and my university is pretty cheap.
Seriously?
I'll be done in like 5 years.  And I spent about $50,000.
Well I averaged about 10,000 per semester and liberal arts is a thankless area of study. I almost have to get a Master's to make it worthwhile.
Liberal Arts eh?
Yeah I can see how that would be nearly worthless.  But isn't the point to have work you're doing already that's artistic like writing or drawing or something of that nature?
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 06:46:51 PM »
No.
It's essential.  I do see a rise of trade schools but in the end, if you don't have a degree, you're likely to be unemployed.
hah wut no
Tons of office jobs don't require degrees.
Please name 5.
Data entry, service representative, secretary, personal assistant, HR, and other jobs I've applied for. There's a ton with obscure names that I can't think of off the top of my head.
Data Entry - Ok.
Service Representative - Depends on the service.  Low level "call people" sure.  But nothing you can live off of.
Secretary - Depends on the company.
Personal Assistant - Same as a Secretary.
HR - Ok, this one you need a degree in management.  If you found one where you don't, it's a lie or a scam or a really shitty job. 

Honestly, I don't know where you're applying for work, but it sounds like really crappy jobs.


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My degree is definitely not worth the money. I'll probably be paying back loans for the rest of my life and my university is pretty cheap.
Seriously?
I'll be done in like 5 years.  And I spent about $50,000.
Well I averaged about 10,000 per semester and liberal arts is a thankless area of study. I almost have to get a Master's to make it worthwhile.
Liberal Arts eh?
Yeah I can see how that would be nearly worthless.  But isn't the point to have work you're doing already that's artistic like writing or drawing or something of that nature?
Erm, I know plenty of people living nicely off of sales representative. Fine, replace HR with customer service and a secretary is not necessarily the same as personal assistant. And once you get in one of these spots moving up the line and getting raises isn't difficult. They're not shitty jobs, they make nice pay. I feel like you have really weird expectations of a job. Perhaps you live in a really expensive area? Here you can get a pretty decent apartment under $1,000.

I have no artistic abilities- I am a history major. wooo, I'm gonna rake in the money. v__v

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 07:00:34 PM »
People should be more careful choosing a major. 
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 07:04:46 PM »
People should be more careful choosing a major.

So true, it's a major decision.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 07:05:07 PM »
People should be more careful choosing a major.
I was careful...
My dad has a Master's in history, I'm fully aware it's not a ritsy job.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 07:07:47 PM »
Yeah, this has me rather worried. I'm planning to go quite far, education-wise, and following the trend will have some massive debt to pay off unless one of my inventions takes off.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2012, 07:46:13 PM »
I have a job that has nothing to do with my major.

I feel that education has become increasingly monetized over the last decade or so. It feels like they are more in it for the money rather than providing people with the skills they need to get a job. People seem to be waking up to that, and requesting changes.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 07:58:11 PM »
My degree is definitely not worth the money.
I am a history major.
Shocking.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 08:01:25 PM »

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 08:13:42 PM »
My degree is definitely not worth the money.
I am a history major.
Shocking.

Shouldn't all of the choices for a major be worth the money? Otherwise we would lose history people.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2012, 08:15:59 PM »
Shouldn't all of the choices for a major be worth the money? Otherwise we would lose history people.
We wouldn't lose all history people. We'd lose some history people. That is, the supply of people that can fill history jobs would reduce to meet demand.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2012, 08:43:50 PM »
Shouldn't all of the choices for a major be worth the money? Otherwise we would lose history people.
We wouldn't lose all history people. We'd lose some history people. That is, the supply of people that can fill history jobs would reduce to meet demand.

The lower return causes that. I don't think they need the extra punishment of an overpriced diploma as well.

Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2012, 08:47:31 PM »
since "america" does not exist, school there do not exist.
there is no "new " world.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 04:49:29 AM »
By bubble do you mean another large group of federally backed loans that are going to default sending us into another recession?  Wonderful, thanks alot guys.  I hate you people and your irresponsible debt. 

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 05:04:50 AM »
You don't need college for a job. True story.
True, but most of those jobs are either already taken, shipped overseas, or being replaced by robots and computers. True story.
Look at the unemployment statistics. More than 50% of unemployed are able to work, over 25, and have no college degree.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 10:24:02 AM »
You don't need college for a job. True story.
True, but most of those jobs are either already taken, shipped overseas, or being replaced by robots and computers. True story.
Look at the unemployment statistics. More than 50% of unemployed are able to work, over 25, and have no college degree.
Not really. there are thousands of grunt jobs that need no degree. Most military or public service roles require little to no formal qualifications, for example.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2012, 12:46:02 PM »
I think $2-3k per semester is reasonable, and my accounting degree will have paid for itself in 3-5 years. The same can be said for my wife, and her education degree.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2012, 12:49:03 PM »
I think $2-3k per semester is reasonable, and my accounting degree will have paid for itself in 3-5 years. The same can be said for my wife, and her education degree.
I completely over estimated, my tuition is about 6,000 per semester. Now I go to a public university- what cheap ass university do you go to? A community school?

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2012, 12:51:53 PM »
I think $2-3k per semester is reasonable, and my accounting degree will have paid for itself in 3-5 years. The same can be said for my wife, and her education degree.
I completely over estimated, my tuition is about 6,000 per semester. Now I go to a public university- what cheap ass university do you go to? A community school?

No, I went to UBC, one of the top 5 universities in Canada. It has the best nuclear medicine research facility in the world. The wife went to SFU, it has a very well respected teaching program.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2012, 12:52:12 PM »
I don't think it's fair that you should have to pay for uni.

I didn't have to pay a thing for my degree.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2012, 12:54:38 PM »
I think $2-3k per semester is reasonable, and my accounting degree will have paid for itself in 3-5 years. The same can be said for my wife, and her education degree.
I completely over estimated, my tuition is about 6,000 per semester. Now I go to a public university- what cheap ass university do you go to? A community school?

No, I went to UBC, one of the top 5 universities in Canada. It has the best nuclear medicine research facility in the world. The wife went to SFU, it has a very well respected teaching program.
Hmm, then Canadian schools are generally cheaper?

(I do have a scholarship and a grant, but it doesn't fully cover my tuition.)

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2012, 12:57:35 PM »
I don't think it's fair that you should have to pay for uni.

I didn't have to pay a thing for my degree.

I agree, but you have to work within the system you're in. I think Canada has reached a nice balance of paying for University, and subsidization. Most students can make the $4-6K needed for 2 semesters working over the summer, if they really want to go.

I think $2-3k per semester is reasonable, and my accounting degree will have paid for itself in 3-5 years. The same can be said for my wife, and her education degree.
I completely over estimated, my tuition is about 6,000 per semester. Now I go to a public university- what cheap ass university do you go to? A community school?

No, I went to UBC, one of the top 5 universities in Canada. It has the best nuclear medicine research facility in the world. The wife went to SFU, it has a very well respected teaching program.
Hmm, then Canadian schools are generally cheaper?

(I do have a scholarship and a grant, but it doesn't fully cover my tuition.)

They are cheaper for Canadians, yes. I know that foreign students had to pay ~$20,000/semester to attend UBC.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2012, 01:00:32 PM »
That sounds more like it. But anyway, this thread is about higher education in America.

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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2012, 01:53:10 PM »
That sounds more like it. But anyway, this thread is about higher education in America.

Excuse me but Canada is in America.
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Re: Is higher education in America a "bubble"?
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2012, 02:26:14 PM »
There are the Americas, divided into North, Central, and South America. You never refer to the continent as "America". When you say "America", almost everyone is referring to the United States of America.