The Possibility of Infinite Earth According to Genesis

Quote from: Graff on April 16, 2012, 10:21:12 AM

Quote from: XinCasa on April 16, 2012, 02:08:01 AM

The earth is flat because it's in the bible.
The earth is round because it's not.
The evidence and logic is indisputabe. 

How many times must I say it before you lot get it through your thick skulls?
The Bible is open to interpretation.
You realize that what one verse might say to you will mean something completely different, right?
I mean, really.
I keep saying this. You all seem to fail to understand it.
The Bible is subject to opinion. One might see something, another something else.

Whoa!  Take it easy Graff.  Your letting a bit of sarcasm pierce your ego and puncture your pride.

When you know that everything is subject to opinion and intrpretation, as you so self rightously proclaim, you denigrate the very opinions that support your point.

It was 9:21 am when you wrote that. Try decaf. 

M'kay, first off. Where do you base that? What makes you think that I am "letting a bit of sarcasm pierce (my) ego and puncture (my) pride."? I mean, really now. Besides that, what does it have to do with the context of things? What does stating that add to the conversation?

The Bible is very vague. If you want proof that it is open to interpretation, look at the many different forms of Christianity.
"self rightously proclaim"? Really? Why would you say that? What basis are you using to justify that assumption?

The time I wrote this is irrelevant.
Besides that, it depends on where I am.
You are making assumptions.
Besides what timezone I am in, what I drink, and what I feel. You've no basis for that. Besides that, there is no benefit. Unless you are attempting to discredit what I am saying, in which there are easier ways.
Please, why not try and actually benefit the conversation next time?

He was kidding Graff.
"The earth is flat because it's in the bible.
The earth is round because it's not.
The evidence and logic is indisputabe"
Xin thinks it's ridiculous and was expressing that thought via sarcasm.

An infinitely large Earth would take an infinitely long time to flood, as opposed to the 40 days claimed in the Bible.

An infinitely large Earth would take an infinitely long time to flood, as opposed to the 40 days claimed in the Bible.

Sorry, but no. When dealing with all-powerful god, he can invoke an infinite number of angels to each pour a bucket in.  That's the problem with granting religion such a 'fiat'.

An infinitely large Earth would take an infinitely long time to flood, as opposed to the 40 days claimed in the Bible.

God didn't flood an infinite plain, he flooded the disc shaped portion of the known earth.

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 12:48:24 PM

An infinitely large Earth would take an infinitely long time to flood, as opposed to the 40 days claimed in the Bible.

God didn't flood an infinite plain, he flooded the disc shaped portion of the known earth.

Or there's simply no god.
Or he flooded a round Earth.

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 12:48:24 PM

An infinitely large Earth would take an infinitely long time to flood, as opposed to the 40 days claimed in the Bible.

God didn't flood an infinite plain, he flooded the disc shaped portion of the known earth.

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Historical context question.  How big did the authors of Genesis think that the whole earth was?

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 04:21:36 PM

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Historical context question.  How big did the authors of Genesis think that the whole earth was?

That is unknown, however whenever the bible speaks of the earth it assumes the known disc comprised of known continents.  If the earth is infinite it is unknown what is beyond the ice wall, so bible does not mention what is beyond Antarctica.

Quote from: markjo on April 18, 2012, 04:32:08 PM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 04:21:36 PM

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Historical context question.  How big did the authors of Genesis think that the whole earth was?

That is unknown, however whenever the bible speaks of the earth it assumes the known disc comprised of known continents.  If the earth is infinite it is unknown what is beyond the ice wall, so bible does not mention what is beyond Antarctica.

How do you know this? Why didn't the authors of the Bible have access to God's knowledge of what is beyond Antarctica? After all, they had access to His knowledge of the Universe even before Adam was even created and to what will come in the distant (I hope) future with the Four Horsemen.

Are there any references to a flat earth in any non-Abrahamic religions?

Quote from: markjo on April 18, 2012, 04:32:08 PM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 04:21:36 PM

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Historical context question.  How big did the authors of Genesis think that the whole earth was?

That is unknown, however whenever the bible speaks of the earth it assumes the known disc comprised of known continents.  If the earth is infinite it is unknown what is beyond the ice wall, so bible does not mention what is beyond Antarctica.

So you're saying that the Biblical flood was merely a local flood isolated to the area known to the authors?

Quote from: markjo on April 18, 2012, 04:32:08 PM

Quote from: EnigmaZV on April 18, 2012, 04:21:36 PM

Source? All I remember is that it states the whole Earth was flooded, not "the disc shaped portion of the known earth"

Historical context question.  How big did the authors of Genesis think that the whole earth was?

That is unknown, however whenever the bible speaks of the earth it assumes the known disc comprised of known continents.  If the earth is infinite it is unknown what is beyond the ice wall, so bible does not mention what is beyond Antarctica.

Check me if I'm wrong, but the bible doesn't mention North and South America or Australia.  What I'm getting at is that the biblical view of the "known world" was quite limited.

Are there any references to a flat earth in any non-Abrahamic religions?

Absolutely, actually almost all ancient religions view the earth to be flat. Most if not all ancient cosmology states the earth is flat.  Egyptians, Babylonians and Mayans all viewed earth to be flat. 

To answer the question about the flood, yes I believe that the Noah's flood was regional, probably isolated to certain areas of the Middle East. Even if it was world wide flood, it was still within the borders of the ice wall.

Surely God knows what is beyond the ice wall but for some reason he didn't tell us about it. Perhaps we are not suppose to know. If the earth is infinite there is a reason why our known world is isolated from other parts of the greater earth. May be we are not ready for whats out there.

Quote from: Megaschmoo on April 18, 2012, 05:39:19 PM

Are there any references to a flat earth in any non-Abrahamic religions?

Absolutely, actually almost all ancient religions view the earth to be flat. Most if not all ancient cosmology states the earth is flat.  Egyptians, Babylonians and Mayans all viewed earth to be flat. 

Most, if not all ancient cosmologies also state that the heavens form a celestial dome and the sun and moon rise and set beyond the edge of the flat earth.  This matches observations but conflicts with the celestial plane model that modern FE'ers support.