I can see curvature in this picture...

Tell that to the FM radio waves that don't go beyond the horizon.

Tell that to the FM radio waves that don't go beyond the horizon.

My point exactly. 

Your point is that you're a credulous fool who read some philosophy and think you have all the answers now?  That seems like an unusual point to make, but okay.

If the ground curves 8 inches in the first mile.... then that means the ground would get even LOWER the further away you get.

Pick a spot halfway between the world trade center and the empire state building... The ground should already by curving downwards.
But you will notice that the ground never starts curving and it is flat as far as you can see. The horizon even appears to rise ABOVE the empire state building into the distance.

That's because there is no curve and it's flat.

Actually the ground between the wtc and empire state building isn't really that flat.  Elevation at the wtc site is about 30 feet.  The empire state building site is about 50 feet.

All the land beyond that to the north rises in elevation.  At 10 miles it gets up to 90 feet in areas between the two water channels (the left being barely visible behind the other tower).  At 20 miles it gets up to 200 feet in areas, and at 30 miles it's up to almost 500 feet in areas.

The only surface really flat in that picture is the water to the right.

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Why explain?  You're not putting any effort into understanding how slight the curvature is.  I pointed out to you already how tiny it would be even if you see 20 miles.  Any tilt would be extremely slight too.

I'm not sure why you're convinced that you should be able to see these things.  The globe has to be large enough to hold the whole freaking earth.  All you're seeing is a very tiny part.

I don't even know why I'm bothering anymore.  You're not going to read any of this.

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

It looks flat.

Quote from: iWitness on April 16, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

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It looks flat.

It looks like it might also be ever so slightly curved.

Quote from: hoppy on April 16, 2012, 05:46:29 PM

It looks flat.

It looks like it might also be ever so slightly curved.

I have to agree with Clocktower. Looks curved to me.

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Incorrect.  The earth is a planet, not a ball.  There are no balls as large as the earth, besides other celestial balls, but they have more specific names.

Quote from: iWitness on April 16, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Incorrect.  The earth is a planet, not a ball.  There are no balls as large as the earth, besides other celestial balls, but they have more specific names.

The Earth can be both a planet and a ball. Got anything to back your claims?

Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on April 16, 2012, 07:03:42 PM

Quote from: iWitness on April 16, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Incorrect.  The earth is a planet, not a ball.  There are no balls as large as the earth, besides other celestial balls, but they have more specific names.

The Earth can be both a planet and a ball. Got anything to back your claims?

Illusion   

Quote from: EmperorZhark on April 17, 2012, 12:27:30 AM

Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on April 16, 2012, 07:03:42 PM

Quote from: iWitness on April 16, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Incorrect.  The earth is a planet, not a ball.  There are no balls as large as the earth, besides other celestial balls, but they have more specific names.

The Earth can be both a planet and a ball. Got anything to back your claims?

Illusion   

Got anything to back your claims?

"If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st. Got anything to back your claims?"

Yes I do EmperorZhark. For both theories.

Either theory is evidenced by the sight of an horizon, and both are proven by the  senses, measurements and devices of the observer to occupy time and space as you so eloquently demonstrate.

It is the definition of an illusion that both realities are evidenced and proven at the same time and space made real by all of us who beleive and act on either or both.

All reality is an illusion EmperorZhark   

Quote from: OrbisNonSufficit on April 16, 2012, 07:03:42 PM

Quote from: iWitness on April 16, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

Here's what all of you Round-Earthers fail to comprehend...

You think that 8 inches over a 1 mile distance is too slight to notice. And you may be right if it was just an 8 inch drop in ELEVATION, but that is not the case here. You see, the ground is supposed to curve DOWN and AWAY from you in all directions because we are allegedly standing on top of a BALL.

If the Ground, Buildings, Trees and Landscape was Tilted downwards at ALL and held down by Gravity you BET YOUR ASS you would notice it.

But the problem we Flat-Earthers are running into is after analyzing all of the photographs from different elevations and landscapes there is NEVER any TILTING or CURVING DOWNWARDS, but only FLATNESS stretching out as far as the eyes can see.

If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st.

explain?

Incorrect.  The earth is a planet, not a ball.  There are no balls as large as the earth, besides other celestial balls, but they have more specific names.

The Earth can be both a planet and a ball. Got anything to back your claims?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball

Did not see the earth listed as a ball, and well the earth is not even spherical, its got a bulge at the equator.   The main point is that the earth does not have a smooth surface, so trying to look for curvature is difficult.  then there is it's massive size, which would make produces a flat horizon.

It is the definition of an illusion that both realities are evidenced and proven at the same time and space made real by all of us who beleive and act on either or both.

No, actually, that's not the definition of an illusion.

Try explaining yourself without resorting to vague pseudo-philosophical BS so we can get to some sort of understanding here.

"If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st. Got anything to back your claims?"

Yes I do EmperorZhark. For both theories.

Either theory is evidenced by the sight of an horizon, and both are proven by the  senses, measurements and devices of the observer to occupy time and space as you so eloquently demonstrate.

It is the definition of an illusion that both realities are evidenced and proven at the same time and space made real by all of us who beleive and act on either or both.

All reality is an illusion EmperorZhark   

Either wrong or void of meaning or both.

Quote from: XinCasa on April 17, 2012, 12:45:37 PM

"If the ground was already curving 8 inches in the 1st mile then that means the 2nd mile should be LOWER then the 1st. The 3rd, 4th and successive miles SHOULD DEFINITELY be curved down further than the 1st. Got anything to back your claims?"

Yes I do EmperorZhark. For both theories.

Either theory is evidenced by the sight of an horizon, and both are proven by the  senses, measurements and devices of the observer to occupy time and space as you so eloquently demonstrate.

It is the definition of an illusion that both realities are evidenced and proven at the same time and space made real by all of us who beleive and act on either or both.

All reality is an illusion EmperorZhark   

Either wrong or void of meaning or both.

Quote from: XinCasa on April 17, 2012, 12:45:37 PM

It is the definition of an illusion that both realities are evidenced and proven at the same time and space made real by all of us who beleive and act on either or both.

No, actually, that's not the definition of an illusion.

Try explaining yourself without resorting to vague pseudo-philosophical BS so we can get to some sort of understanding here.

I respectfully disagree with the both of you. 

The text book or dictionary definition of the word illusion is "...a deceptive, false or misleading interpretation of reality" which is arguably what the FE and Re theories represent to each other.

Both theories which purport to represent reality, by the use of our senses, measurements, tools and devices, diametrically contradict each other whereby they both cannot exist at the same time and space.

Yet here we are spending our precious time and energy creating this thread arguing that our world must be one or the other. 

C'mon gentlemen!  Use your heads instead of your egos.  This is high school stuff.  Have fun with this.

You guys are behaving as if ships, planes, trains and autos would never have been invented if the early Greek philosphers hadn't first hypothesized the round earh, and Galileo never "proved" it.

It was vehemently denied then at the pain of death, and here we are denying it now at the bane of life. C'mon Man-up guys!   All reality is illusion. 

 

Come back when you're ready to form a cohesive argument.