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Affordable Care Act

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Trekky0623

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Affordable Care Act
« on: March 29, 2012, 01:29:50 PM »
If the Supreme Court rules against the individual mandate, doesn't that sort of kill the purpose of the entire bill? If people aren't required to buy health insurance, and at the same time, private insurers can't deny insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, then couldn't a person just wait to get sick and then buy health insurance? I personally don't think that people should be forced to buy private insurance, but at the same time, if they can't, aren't we sort of back at square one?
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Lorddave

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 01:58:29 PM »
Yep.  It's a fuck-all.
If the mandate is struck down, it's all going to die.  That or the Insurance companies will just make a "If you're sick you must pay $5,000 a month which is what you'd pay for your treatments anyway."

And it will be struck down and I will be sad.
Then nothing will be changed in Health care for at least another decade.
The insurance companies will rejoice but stuff won't go down. 
People will still bitch but nothing will change.
The economy will get better but it's doing that already.  Republicans will claim it's because the ACA got killed and take all the credit for a better economy.
We'll then go to war with Iran.
Gas prices will then hit $5.00 a gallon.
Republicans will then be voted out in the next election.

Repeat.
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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »
*sigh*

And this is the issue with capitalism

Not a communist
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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 02:12:42 PM »
Quote from: Tausami on March 29, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
*sigh*

And this is the issue with capitalism

Not a communist

Filthy Socialist.
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Rushy

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 02:14:00 PM »
Quote from: Vindictus on March 29, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
Quote from: Tausami on March 29, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
*sigh*

And this is the issue with capitalism

Not a communist

Filthy Socialist.
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Trekky0623

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 02:15:52 PM »
Is forcing people to have health insurance unconstitutional? I would think so, especially if much of health insurance is private. With a car, it is mandatory to have car insurance to drive, but you could also just choose to walk. Is there such a choice in health insurance? To stop living?
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Lorddave

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2012, 02:49:22 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on March 29, 2012, 02:15:52 PM
Is forcing people to have health insurance unconstitutional? I would think so, especially if much of health insurance is private. With a car, it is mandatory to have car insurance to drive, but you could also just choose to walk. Is there such a choice in health insurance? To stop living?
Yes.
It's called suicide.

But had they stuck with the Singe Player Universal Health Care plan that Obama actually wanted instead of compromising with the Republicans and getting "private" insurance involved, there wouldn't be a problem.
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Cat Earth Theory

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 02:52:06 PM »
Did he ever want single-payer?  I don't remember his original plan being too different from what we have now.
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Wakka Wakka

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 03:08:43 PM »
But the government can force you do pay for and do numerous things, why should buying health insurance be different?
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Lorddave

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 03:15:20 PM »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Did he ever want single-payer?  I don't remember his original plan being too different from what we have now.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show#

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it includes a new government-run insurance plan
Ok so I was not entirely accurate.  He wanted a public option.
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Rushy

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 06:35:24 PM »
Quote from: Wakka Wakka on March 29, 2012, 03:08:43 PM
But the government can force you do pay for and do numerous things, why should buying health insurance be different?

A government is like a corporation that can force you to buy its product, but just because it can, doesn't mean it should. Mainly because its products always suck.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 07:27:37 PM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
A government is like a corporation that can force you to buy its product, but just because it can, doesn't mean it should. Mainly because its products always suck.

Thanks to the tireless efforts of conservatives.
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Rushy

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 07:34:34 PM »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
A government is like a corporation that can force you to buy its product, but just because it can, doesn't mean it should. Mainly because its products always suck.

Thanks to the tireless efforts of conservatives.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
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Cat Earth Theory

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 07:43:46 PM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 07:34:34 PM
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Lol, and you keep telling yourself that the rich would be able to fix everything if there just weren't so many gosh-darned taxes and regulations keeping them from being the best people around.
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Rushy

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 07:57:16 PM »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 07:34:34 PM
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Lol, and you keep telling yourself that the rich would be able to fix everything if there just weren't so many gosh-darned taxes and regulations keeping them from being the best people around.

What does this have to do with anything? What is furthermore is you seem to be forgetting that all politicians are rich and they aren't too fond of screwing themselves over.
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Cat Earth Theory

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2012, 08:20:34 PM »
It has everything to do with everything because trimming away the government does away with regulations and lowers taxes.  Unless you're not for those things?
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Rushy

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2012, 09:04:21 PM »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 08:20:34 PM
It has everything to do with everything because trimming away the government does away with regulations and lowers taxes.  Unless you're not for those things?

Trimming away on it? Not entirely. Adding on to it? Very much so.
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Cat Earth Theory

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 10:26:14 PM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 08:20:34 PM
It has everything to do with everything because trimming away the government does away with regulations and lowers taxes.  Unless you're not for those things?

Trimming away on it? Not entirely. Adding on to it? Very much so.

I meant the position you were taking in your little rant.
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Quote from: Lord Wilmore on August 06, 2012, 09:44:46 AM
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Rushy

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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2012, 11:00:55 PM »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on March 29, 2012, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 29, 2012, 08:20:34 PM
It has everything to do with everything because trimming away the government does away with regulations and lowers taxes.  Unless you're not for those things?

Trimming away on it? Not entirely. Adding on to it? Very much so.

I meant the position you were taking in your little rant.

You obviously weren't aware of my actual position. Perhaps you need to ask "will you elaborate on this" before making massive assumptions based on scarce remarks. Just because you listen to mass media all day long doesn't mean you need to perform their little circus show in their stead.
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Cat Earth Theory

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2012, 11:23:11 PM »
Excellent.  I'd ask you to elaborate but I honestly don't care.  Feel free to anyway, though, if that's what you want.
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Chris Spaghetti

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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2012, 12:59:16 AM »
And over in Britain, our politicians seem to have seen the shining example of health care the US provides and are hell-bent on dismantling our NHS to replicate you.
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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2012, 05:15:37 AM »
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on March 30, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
And over in Britain, our politicians seem to have seen the shining example of health care the US provides and are hell-bent on dismantling our NHS to replicate you.

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2012, 05:30:44 AM »
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on March 30, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
And over in Britain, our politicians seem to have seen the shining example of health care the US provides and are hell-bent on dismantling our NHS to replicate you.

And yet celebrities that can afford better health care in America leave Britain to do so.
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Chris Spaghetti

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2012, 06:23:09 AM »
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on March 30, 2012, 05:30:44 AM
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on March 30, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
And over in Britain, our politicians seem to have seen the shining example of health care the US provides and are hell-bent on dismantling our NHS to replicate you.

And yet celebrities that can afford better health care in America leave Britain to do so.

Quite, but most of us aren't celebrities. If you have a metric fuckton of money then you can afford better healthcare, but for those at the bottom (and most of the middle) of the pile, the NHS is irreplaceable.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Affordable Care Act
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2012, 06:50:27 AM »
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on March 30, 2012, 06:23:09 AM
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on March 30, 2012, 05:30:44 AM
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on March 30, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
And over in Britain, our politicians seem to have seen the shining example of health care the US provides and are hell-bent on dismantling our NHS to replicate you.

And yet celebrities that can afford better health care in America leave Britain to do so.

Quite, but most of us aren't celebrities. If you have a metric fuckton of money then you can afford better healthcare, but for those at the bottom (and most of the middle) of the pile, the NHS is irreplaceable.

So your irreplaceable health care is substandard?  That sucks.  You can keep your Govt health care thank you.
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Chris Spaghetti

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2012, 08:03:00 AM »
No, it works and is good enough most of the time for most of the people as opposed to the US system where there is a gold-star quality service for the richest, a silver-star, (basically comparable to the NHS) standard for the middle classes and a muck-star service for those who can't afford better healthcare.

Give me Atlee's legacy any day.
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2012, 08:42:27 AM »
I like how the judiciary is divided along party lines. Also, lol at them reciting Tea Party arguments repeatedly.
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