10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham

vs Newton, Hawking, Bruno, Galilleo

You must learn some basics of astronomy......
This is real dangerous joke man.... FET is real dangerous joke, and any of FETs do not have ANY evidence nor science proof of any kind of FET....

this is kind of religion.... new one...

debilizam!

I think that English is not your first language.  I have lots of patience for people who know many languages.  This is why I am wording this post clearly.  Stay on topic.  This is a warring.  Do not keep posting like this or you will be banned for a few days.

Quote from: StupidEarthSociety on March 30, 2012, 01:24:37 AM

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham

vs Newton, Hawking, Bruno, Galilleo

You must learn some basics of astronomy......
This is real dangerous joke man.... FET is real dangerous joke, and any of FETs do not have ANY evidence nor science proof of any kind of FET....

this is kind of religion.... new one...

debilizam!

I think that English is not your first language.  I have lots of patience for people who know many languages.  This is why I am wording this post clearly.  Stay on topic.  This is a warring.  Do not keep posting like this or you will be banned for a few days.

He has a point, though.

What are you saying? Grammar exists for a reason

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham

vs Newton, Hawking, Bruno, Galilleo

You have a point.

Only if you consider argumentum ad verecundiam to be a valid point.

Appeal to authority is not necessarily a fallacy.

If we measure the work of scientists such as Copernicus, Newton, Galileo... Stephen Hawking, Einstein vs the feeble ENag, you'll see clearly that I'm not using the argumentum ad verecundiam.

If we measure the work of scientists such as Copernicus, Newton, Galileo... Stephen Hawking, Einstein vs the feeble ENag, you'll see clearly that I'm not using the argumentum ad verecundiam.

Actually, you are.  However, as I just said, it's not always a fallacy.  FE'ers just want you to think that it is.
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/authority.html

It certainly isn't always fallacious, but in this context it is, as it effectively begs the question. Observe:


P1: X, Y & Z hold that the Earth is round
P2: X, Y & Z are legitimate experts on the subject.
P3: The consensus of experts agrees with X, Y & Z.

C: Therefore, there's a presumption that the Earth is round.


The point is, here at FES we regularly contest P2 & P3. We are challenging their legitimacy and that consensus, so those two premises cannot (in this context) be used to support the above conclusion. When our position is precisely that the so-called "experts" are wrong, the "legitimacy" of said experts is not a valid premise.

It is not fallacious because I wasn't invoking their opinions but their work.

ENaG proves that the Earth is flat, Copernicus, Hawking et al. prove that the Earth is round. They don't give an opinion, they give scientific explaination of the shape of the Earth.

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

I am not lying, but it's probably beyond your understanding.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2012, 03:15:09 PM

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

I am not lying, but it's probably beyond your understanding.

Yes you are. You are posting knowingly false material in direct violation of the agreement you pledged to when signing up to this forum.

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.

I demand that you cease polluting my forum with your hidious lies at once.

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

I am sorry Tom, but you fail there.
How about Newton's law of universal gravitation?

Newton clearly stated the world is a sphere, it has a radius and a mass.
That is precisely why Newton is famous for Christ's sake.

Studying "gravity" is not studying the shape of the earth.

Studying "gravity" is not studying the shape of the earth.

Tom, of course it means he understand the shape of earth.

The whole concept of gravity demands earth to be a sphere, and so is the the gravity law newton discovered.

To determine the force of gravity the earth applies on you, according to Newton is"
Force of gravity =gravitational constant * mass of earth * mass of a person / radius of earth

When he found what if the gravity attraction earth has on its inhabitants, he did used the radius of the planet in his calculations. Which happens to be the EXACTLY gravity we can find if we measure gravity ourselves with a simple experiment of timing a object falling.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2012, 06:10:48 PM

Studying "gravity" is not studying the shape of the earth.

Tom, of course it means he understand the shape of earth.

The whole concept of gravity demands earth to be a sphere, and so is the the gravity law newton discovered.

To determine the force of gravity the earth applies on you, according to Newton is"
Force of gravity = mass of earth * mass of a person / radius of earth

When he found what if the gravity attraction earth has on its inhabitants, he did used the radius of the planet in his calculations. Which happens to be the EXACTLY gravity we can find if we measure gravity ourselves with a simple experiment of timing a object falling.

Interesting.  How did he know the Earth's mass?

Quote from: rayman on March 31, 2012, 06:57:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2012, 06:10:48 PM

Studying "gravity" is not studying the shape of the earth.

Tom, of course it means he understand the shape of earth.

The whole concept of gravity demands earth to be a sphere, and so is the the gravity law newton discovered.

To determine the force of gravity the earth applies on you, according to Newton is"
Force of gravity = mass of earth * mass of a person / radius of earth

When he found what if the gravity attraction earth has on its inhabitants, he did used the radius of the planet in his calculations. Which happens to be the EXACTLY gravity we can find if we measure gravity ourselves with a simple experiment of timing a object falling.

Interesting.  How did he know the Earth's mass?

You can calculate the gravitational force between 2 objects and with that you can find the gravitational constant. Since you have the mass and distance of the objects.

Once you have the gravitational constant (which was experimentally found ) you can then add the mass of a body, the radius of the planet (which was fond by other scientists) and the gravity acceleration in the Newton's law of universal gravity equation. And like magic you find earth's mass.

This is also called physics for those not so familiar with the concept.

It is not fallacious because I wasn't invoking their opinions but their work.

Remind me again when you posted their work? Because this is what I read:

If we measure the work of scientists such as Copernicus, Newton, Galileo... Stephen Hawking, Einstein vs the feeble ENag, you'll see clearly that I'm not using the argumentum ad verecundiam.

I see lots of names, but no actual work or comparison of works.


And in any event, we were discussing (and referring to) StupidEarthSociety's post, which was an appeal to authority:

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham

vs Newton, Hawking, Bruno, Galilleo

Their works aren't even mentioned. It's 100% name-slinging.

I see that you have been very busy!

Busy comenting my post but lazy doing research on those scientists.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_newton and tell me that his work does't IMPLY that the Earth is round!

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

Please stop f.....g all of us!!! If You Do Not know anything about these scientific giants, thats your problem.

Hey people, DO YOU  REALLY SWALLOW THIS TOM BISHOPS BULLSHIT!!!!

hELOOU,  Newton, Copernicu, Hawking............ are real, they calculated all of astronomy things..... WHAT FLAT EARTH for God sake....  WHAT PROOFS TOM DO YOU HAVE vs. NEWTON, HAWKING.....

WHAT!!!

I am piissed off, because, ................ TOM, You are insane!!!ANd Manipulating this forum....and making Flat thing like NEW religion to you stupid and uneducated fallowers!!!!

for Tom BIshop!!!

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Earth throuh non Fish-Eye Lens............ please do notmess around with lies , fish-eye has specific optic distortion, ...
so, watch and LEARN!!!!!

The Earth is not flat! It is great blue planet......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=IpBNr-oNT1g

By the way, what would be satellites and thespace shuttle's orbits in FET?

How is it calculated?
What are the laws of physics involved?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2012, 03:15:09 PM

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

Please stop f.....g all of us!!! If You Do Not know anything about these scientific giants, thats your problem.

Hey people, DO YOU  REALLY SWALLOW THIS TOM BISHOPS BULLSHIT!!!!

hELOOU,  Newton, Copernicu, Hawking............ are real, they calculated all of astronomy things..... WHAT FLAT EARTH for God sake....  WHAT PROOFS TOM DO YOU HAVE vs. NEWTON, HAWKING.....

WHAT!!!

I am piissed off, because, ................ TOM, You are insane!!!ANd Manipulating this forum....and making Flat thing like NEW religion to you stupid and uneducated fallowers!!!!

Tom Bishop does indeed just lie. Indeed even this quoted posted demonstrates it again. How would he even know that someone never studied something? Wouldn't he have to be with them throughout their lives watch what they observe and .... think.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2012, 03:15:09 PM

Neither Copernicus, Hawking, Newton, or Galileo studied the shape of the earth. Please stop lying.

Please stop f.....g all of us!!! If You Do Not know anything about these scientific giants, thats your problem.

Hey people, DO YOU  REALLY SWALLOW THIS TOM BISHOPS BULLSHIT!!!!

hELOOU,  Newton, Copernicu, Hawking............ are real, they calculated all of astronomy things..... WHAT FLAT EARTH for God sake....  WHAT PROOFS TOM DO YOU HAVE vs. NEWTON, HAWKING.....

WHAT!!!

I am piissed off, because, ................ TOM, You are insane!!!ANd Manipulating this forum....and making Flat thing like NEW religion to you stupid and uneducated fallowers!!!!

There is a section for angry ranting if you feel like venting. I am no moderator but I think you should familiarise yourself with the rules if you wish to keep posting here.

I see that you have been very busy!

Busy comenting my post but lazy doing research on those scientists.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_newton and tell me that his work does't IMPLY that the Earth is round!

But not even RE scientists think Newton's theories were correct. Everyone agrees he was wrong, be they FE'er or RE'er.

Quote from: EmperorZhark on April 01, 2012, 02:47:46 AM

I see that you have been very busy!

Busy comenting my post but lazy doing research on those scientists.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_newton and tell me that his work does't IMPLY that the Earth is round!

But not even RE scientists think Newton's theories were correct. Everyone agrees he was wrong, be they FE'er or RE'er.

Which ones?
Unless you are saying that no RE scientist believes any of Newton's theories.

Do they believe in his theory of gravity? No. Do they believe in his eschatological theories? No. Newton's theories no longer hold sway in the RE scientific community.

Quote from: EmperorZhark on April 01, 2012, 02:47:46 AM

I see that you have been very busy!

Busy comenting my post but lazy doing research on those scientists.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_newton and tell me that his work does't IMPLY that the Earth is round!

But not even RE scientists think Newton's theories were correct. Everyone agrees he was wrong, be they FE'er or RE'er.

All Newton's equations of motion and gravity work for velocities and scaled that are not too extreme. It is a well known fact that Newton's equation do not work for the speed of light.

But Netwon's equation work very well in order to find local gravity. I know that since I did the experiments myself in the University.

But are they accurate descriptions of how the universe works? No, as any RE scientist will tell you. If they were, you guys wouldn't have moved on to GR, QM, and whatever you hope comes next.