10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

Or a flying space disc (or infinite plane).  Well, there you have biblical proof that there is no UA.

Quote from: hoppy on March 25, 2012, 05:24:11 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

No. Where did you get that?

Anywho; it could be a figure of speech. Immovable how?

There is No good reason to believe in a specific God, since they can't even prove that only one God created the universe, but they say that it's one God, and is specifically the God that's mentioned in the bible. To say that you base your theism on rational evidence, you have to have studied the thousands and thousand of God's created by man.

As for Jesus, I'd say he's a myth. Non of the story is true in any detail, and non of the gospels agrees with each other.
And even if I would grand all of the story to be true, it would still not prove he was the son of God, or that he's preaches were true.

Think about it. "I am the son of God, because no one ever saw my mother go bed with anybody, oh and also I might have looked dead when they took me down from the cross, but I didn't actually die, and that proves my point."

And to the above, some believe the earth is about 10000 years old, based on the dates given in the bible. Obviously the most scientific method.

Quote from: hoppy on March 25, 2012, 05:24:11 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

I don't believe it states that.

3. You COULD see the Curvature with your naked eyes if the earth was a Sphere

It's a common misconception that the earth is simply too big to notice any curvature below (insert figure here). This is simply not true. Using the dimensions of the earth provided by NASA, there would be an 8 inch downward curve after the first mile, 32 inches after the second and 6 feet after the 3rd mile. After 20 miles the ground should curve 266 feet downwards.

Go to a place where the horizon is visible from on top of a hill or building and you can easily see for 5-10+ miles with your naked eye. You will notice that the horizon is perfectly flat and there is not any curvature to be seen.

So you say after 20 miles the ground curves downward by 266 feet?  Lets look at the math to determine the perspective of this: tan^-1(266ft/105600ft) = 0.144^o  So, 266 feet from 20 miles away is only a 0.144 degree change in your vision.  This is tiny.  However these values are all invalid as they don't take the altitude of the observer.

here is a diagram showing how the next equation works.  This equation allow calculation of the total angular size of a sphere from a given distance from its surface.  We'll need to divide this angular size by 2 to get its angular radius, and then subtract the resulting value from 90 degrees to get the edge of the sphere's deviation from true horizontal.

Lets assume, standing on the beach, I view the horizon with my eye level 5 feet (1.47m) above sea level.  The equation becomes: angular size = 2sin^-1(6371000/(6371000+1.47))  The result is 179.9 degrees.  This translates to an angular radius of 89.96 which is 0.04 degrees away from true horizontal.  This is even smaller than before.  This is the same apparent size of a penny from 92.6 feet or 27.2 metres away.  That's a bit further then the length of two standard, non-articulated city buses.

Quote from: squevil on March 25, 2012, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 25, 2012, 05:24:11 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

I don't believe it states that.

It doesn't. Some priest added up all the begets and arrived at somewhere in the ball park of four thousand years old.

I agree with this original post. Good Job.

I'm sure we can find many more reasons to consider the Earth is Flat.

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 08:24:49 AM

Quote from: squevil on March 25, 2012, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 25, 2012, 05:24:11 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

I don't believe it states that.

It doesn't. Some priest added up all the begets and arrived at somewhere in the ball park of four thousand years old.

And even then, noone really knows. There's quite a lot not documented in the Bible. Really confusing sometimes. I guess they didn't have calendars back then.

Quote from: Pongo on March 26, 2012, 10:31:07 AM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 08:24:49 AM

Quote from: squevil on March 25, 2012, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 25, 2012, 05:24:11 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 25, 2012, 04:27:33 PM

The bible does not, will not, provide proof for flat earth. I am sorry.
There is little proof that those weren't simple figures of speech, anyways.
Not to mention that God himself didn't write the Bible.
And you must remember that even believers take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is a book open to interpretation.

The Bible does state that the earth is immovable. Therefore it is not a flying space ball.

doesnt it also say that the earth is only a few 1000 years old too?

I don't believe it states that.

It doesn't. Some priest added up all the begets and arrived at somewhere in the ball park of four thousand years old.

And even then, noone really knows. There's quite a lot not documented in the Bible. Really confusing sometimes. I guess they didn't have calendars back then.

That's because they omitted the book of Enoch to keep us stupid as hell.

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:20:20 PM

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Genesis 1:28
I can type it in here for you if youlike. I don't like to copypasta the Bible.

Quote from: Graff on March 26, 2012, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:20:20 PM

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Genesis 1:28
I can type it in here for you if youlike. I don't like to copypasta the Bible.

Huh. So it does. How interesting...
Makes one wonder. What was before hand? Was there another flood-like event? Was there a second Earth?
Of course, it could just be lost in translation... But, you never know.

Midrash suggests 974 generations before Adam. I'm not really looking to get in a religious debate, but there is plenty of scriptural evidence suggesting the world is older than the six-thousand years of recorded history.

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:35:32 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 26, 2012, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:20:20 PM

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Genesis 1:28
I can type it in here for you if youlike. I don't like to copypasta the Bible.

Huh. So it does. How interesting...
Makes one wonder. What was before hand? Was there another flood-like event? Was there a second Earth?
Of course, it could just be lost in translation... But, you never know.

Or it's a story some nomads in the Middle East made up to give their depressing lives of farming and herding a bit of false meaning.

Quote from: Graff on March 26, 2012, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:20:20 PM

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Genesis 1:28
I can type it in here for you if youlike. I don't like to copypasta the Bible.

Actually, it depends on which version you're looking at.  Some versions say "fill the earth" while others say "replenish the earth".

Midrash suggests 974 generations before Adam. I'm not really looking to get in a religious debate, but there is plenty of scriptural evidence suggesting the world is older than the six-thousand years of recorded history.

"Scriptural evidence" is here an oxymoron.

And scientifically speakink, 974 generations (how did they get such precise number?) before a couple (Adam and Eve) who could not have existed is utterly far-fetched.

Quote from: Graff on March 26, 2012, 07:29:11 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:35:32 PM

Quote from: Graff on March 26, 2012, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 26, 2012, 06:20:20 PM

The Bible states that God told Adam andEve to replenish the earth. So who knows what was happening on earth before that time. Apparently it was plenished before that time. With who or what I have no idea.

Replenish?
I am sorry, where does it say that?
The Earth was just created. Can't really.. Replenish.
You might be referring to Noah and his ark.

Genesis 1:28
I can type it in here for you if youlike. I don't like to copypasta the Bible.

Huh. So it does. How interesting...
Makes one wonder. What was before hand? Was there another flood-like event? Was there a second Earth?
Of course, it could just be lost in translation... But, you never know.

Or it's a story some nomads in the Middle East made up to give their depressing lives of farming and herding a bit of false meaning.

Indeed. Life is not absolute. Nothing is true without a doubt.
The Big Bang was made by scientists living lonely lives who just wanted to hear how clever they were.

The Big Bang was made by scientists living lonely lives who just wanted to hear how clever they were.

Interesting conjecture; on what grounds do you base these claims?

Quote from: Graff on March 27, 2012, 09:26:39 AM

The Big Bang was made by scientists living lonely lives who just wanted to hear how clever they were.

Interesting conjecture; on what grounds do you base these claims?

On what grounds do you base your claims?
Put simply; we can never know for sure. Better just to pic one and roll with it.

Quote from: Pongo on March 27, 2012, 09:56:28 AM

Quote from: Graff on March 27, 2012, 09:26:39 AM

The Big Bang was made by scientists living lonely lives who just wanted to hear how clever they were.

Interesting conjecture; on what grounds do you base these claims?

On what grounds do you base your claims?
Put simply; we can never know for sure. Better just to pic one and roll with it.

So far, there's no better explaination that the Big Bang.

Quote from: Ski on March 26, 2012, 07:50:26 PM

Midrash suggests 974 generations before Adam. I'm not really looking to get in a religious debate, but there is plenty of scriptural evidence suggesting the world is older than the six-thousand years of recorded history.

"Scriptural evidence" is here an oxymoron.

Indeed, nothing could be further from the truth in a discussion in this context. I am not asking you or anyone else to consider a religious text of scientific value. If you aren't interested in the context of this discussion feel free to ignore it.

Quote from: iWitness on March 22, 2012, 02:39:02 PM

I do not see how it is possible that anyone could believe the earth is flat and not believe in The Creator and The Holy Bible.

The reason that most people do not believe in God is because we are told that a Big Bang created everything and there are billions and trillions of other galaxies just like ours. They tell us that we evolved from Monkeys and that there are aliens on other planets. This makes us seem insignificant and "survival of the fittest" just gives everyone an excuse to murder each other.

There are plenty of other reasons to not believe in the Bible.  I don't much care for the blind faith and obedience it teaches.  I don't think people are so terrible that we need a big, authoritarian daddy to lay down the law for us or else we'll just go around murdering and thieving and it'll be chaos.

I think too highly of people to take on that ideology.

I'll admit, it is a bit hard to believe living our day to day lives that there is an almighty "Intelligent" Spirit that created everything we know living in Heaven.

But for me it came down to 1 of two things. Either life is random and meaningless or life was created with purpose. There is really no other explanation for everything that we are experiencing right now.

Several years ago I really thought I was the smartest person alive and studied atheism and looked at the Bible as a book of contradictions constantly trying to find things wrong with it. It's easy to find simple contradictions in the Bible like God said this here and said the opposite in this verse in a different book, but that's not how I look at it anymore.

I don't care what anyone else says about The Holy Bible because it doesn't matter. I study The Bible and our World History because I want to know how things work and why things are the way the are. When you try to put the puzzle pieces together you find that The Bible has most of the major ones. Sure there are missing pieces, but that doesn't mean that it (The Bible) is not important.

If you seriously believe that people made up a bunch of stories in The Holy Bible for whatever reasons then there is nothing I can really say to you because it won't matter. But I would think any true Open-minded person of Science would at least study our most important collection of historical documents, scriptures, testimonies, genealogies, poems, miracles and stories to try and understand the significance.

They say to not take the Bible literally or keep separate Science and Religion and that's ok.

But I'm confident anyone will see that God's Word (His Promises) and The Gospels (The Good News) have the power to transform anyone's life.

Life is Not Random. There are Laws built on God's Word and although we are selfish and disobey Him, He is Good and saves those that seek Him.

Do not be fooled with False Teachings about Jesus for he said,

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." Matthew 5:17


People, if you try to speed through a corner at 100 mph you will crash. It's that simple.

Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on March 22, 2012, 03:11:31 PM

Quote from: iWitness on March 22, 2012, 02:39:02 PM

I do not see how it is possible that anyone could believe the earth is flat and not believe in The Creator and The Holy Bible.

The reason that most people do not believe in God is because we are told that a Big Bang created everything and there are billions and trillions of other galaxies just like ours. They tell us that we evolved from Monkeys and that there are aliens on other planets. This makes us seem insignificant and "survival of the fittest" just gives everyone an excuse to murder each other.

There are plenty of other reasons to not believe in the Bible.  I don't much care for the blind faith and obedience it teaches.  I don't think people are so terrible that we need a big, authoritarian daddy to lay down the law for us or else we'll just go around murdering and thieving and it'll be chaos.

I think too highly of people to take on that ideology.

I'll admit, it is a bit hard to believe living our day to day lives that there is an almighty "Intelligent" Spirit that created everything we know living in Heaven.

But for me it came down to 1 of two things. Either life is random and meaningless or life was created with purpose. There is really no other explanation for everything that we are experiencing right now.

Several years ago I really thought I was the smartest person alive and studied atheism and looked at the Bible as a book of contradictions constantly trying to find things wrong with it. It's easy to find simple contradictions in the Bible like God said this here and said the opposite in this verse in a different book, but that's now how I look at it anymore.

I don't care what anyone else says about The Holy Bible because it doesn't matter. I study The Bible and our World History because I want to know how things work and why things are the way the are. When you try to put the puzzle pieces together you find that The Bible has most of the major ones. Sure there are missing pieces, but that doesn't mean that it (The Bible) is not important.

If you seriously believe that people made up a bunch of stories in The Holy Bible for whatever reasons then there is nothing I can really say to you because it won't matter. But I would think any true Open-minded person of Science would at least study our most important collection of historical documents, scriptures, testimonies, genealogies, poems, miracles and stories to try and understand the significance.

They say to not take the Bible literally or keep separate Science and Religion and that's ok.

But I'm confident anyone will see that God's Word (His Promises) and The Gospels (The Good News) have the power to transform anyone's life.

Life is Not Random. There are Laws built on God's Word and although we are selfish and disobey Him, He is Good and saves those that seek Him.

Do not be fooled with False Teachings about Jesus for he said,

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." Matthew 5:17


People, if you try to speed through a corner at 100 mph you will crash. It's that simple.

Your problem is that you mix science and religion.

Either you think science is valid, and Big Bang, Evolution, RE or Quantum Mechanics are the best way to describe the universe, or you take the Bible too litteraly and you don't believe in science.

Either the Bible is symbolical and science is true, or it is true and science cannot be believed. But you can't mix the two.

I don't see what purpose God brings to life.  I exist to bring glory to God?  Well that sounds like a treat.  I find that far less preferable to meaninglessness.  At least with meaninglessness I'm not a pawn in some insecure deity's plans.

There's also the whole bit about needing a reason to believe it all.  God seemed to understand this with the Jesus situation, so there were miracles.  Turn water into wine, that's gonna convince some people 2000 years ago. 

It'd be real easy for God to prove that he existed.  The fact that he doesn't either shows that:

A.  This is all some sick, twisted game

or

B.  God doesn't exist

This thread isn't so bad. The poster provided several pieces of information we did not know before, such as evidence that the Cassini photos are being manipulated, as well as a source which states that 95% of the Antarctic coast is composed of ice fronts as I've been saying for years.

The Cassini photos are interesting, because the glow around the blackout suggests that there is something bright behind the model moon that NASA is trying to hide.

Your only argument for  FET is some  old scripts from Bible and Kuran etc etc....  First , Bible is pure simplification of something more complex than Earth is flat and You have 6 days to build the Earth and space.....During time Bible was written, you had to explain to uneducated people something about evolution, space, itd itd....so U choose something simple.... in terminology.... etc etc...

So, Newton, Bruno, Galileo , etc etc... Hawking, Tesla , a just idiots for You..... ccccccc

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 20, 2012, 09:56:21 AM

This thread isn't so bad. The poster provided several pieces of information we did not know before, such as evidence that the Cassini photos are being manipulated, as well as a source which states that 95% of the Antarctic coast is composed of ice fronts as I've been saying for years.

The Cassini photos are interesting, because the glow around the blackout suggests that there is something bright behind the model moon that NASA is trying to hide.

Your only argument for  FET is some  old scripts from Bible and Kuran etc etc....  First , Bible is pure simplification of something more complex than Earth is flat and You have 6 days to build the Earth and space.....During time Bible was written, you had to explain to uneducated people something about evolution, space, itd itd....so U choose something simple.... in terminology.... etc etc...

So, Newton, Bruno, Galileo , etc etc... Hawking, Tesla , a just idiots for You..... ccccccc

Perhaps you misquoted, Tom Bishop consistently argues in favor of a secular Flat Earth perspective.  As do the majority of us.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham

vs Newton, Hawking, Bruno, Galilleo

You must learn some basics of astronomy......
This is real dangerous joke man.... FET is real dangerous joke, and any of FETs do not have ANY evidence nor science proof of any kind of FET....

this is kind of religion.... new one...

debilizam!