10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat

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10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« on: March 20, 2012, 08:34:59 AM »
Disclaimer: This list is speculation and only offered as an interesting perspective. I do not claim to have all the answers nor care to. If the world is a ball then fine. If it is flat then even better. We still have to live in harmony with each other and our Earth. I wish you the best in your search for Truth and meaning.


1. The Government Lies (Remember the Dress incident? With the gooey stuff?)

It's well known that the government lies, murders and steals in order to keep in control of the population. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that JFK's head did not explode backwards caused by a bullet coming from the book depository. So if the government would murder the president and cover it up... why wouldn't they lie about other stuff?




2. NASA has been caught manipulating images and evidence before

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

http://www.news.com.au/technology/conspiracy-theorists-confident-photoshopped-nasa-image-is-a-cover-up/story-e6frfro0-1225936084529

Once again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that NASA is full of inconsistencies, lies and coverups. The moon landings look incredibly fake not to mention John Glenn's alleged orbit around the earth in 1962. This guy supposedly shot off the top of a rocket going 17,500 mph, did a mid-air 180 degree turn and successfully orbited the earth 3 and a half times in under 5 hours



Can anyone say "BULLSHITTTT" ?


3. You COULD see the Curvature with your naked eyes if the earth was a Sphere

It's a common misconception that the earth is simply too big to notice any curvature below (insert figure here). This is simply not true. Using the dimensions of the earth provided by NASA, there would be an 8 inch downward curve after the first mile, 32 inches after the second and 6 feet after the 3rd mile. After 20 miles the ground should curve 266 feet downwards.

Go to a place where the horizon is visible from on top of a hill or building and you can easily see for 5-10+ miles with your naked eye. You will notice that the horizon is perfectly flat and there is not any curvature to be seen.




4. The Bible says the Earth is Flat

I know a lot of you atheists, nonbelievers and children of Satan will talk shit about the Bible blah blah blah... but it does say the earth is flat and immovable and so far the Bible's explanation of the shape of the earth is way more accurate than Nasa.

Job 38:14 "As the light approaches, the earth takes shape like clay pressed beneath a seal; it is robed in brilliant colors."

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”




5. The Quran says the Earth is Flat

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

    And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.


6. The Great Ice Wall is widely known and studied

According to wikipedia the recorded coastline of Antarctica stretches 11,165 miles and is comprised of, you guessed it, 95% Ice Walls and 5% rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Geography




7. There is not one peer-reviewed scientific study that proves the earth is a Globe

However, there are countless studies that show the earth is flat. For instance, all experiments measuring the surface of freestanding water show it to be perfectly level. If the earth was a ball and gravity was pulling things downward then all water should be pulled into a curved shape.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm


8. The only evidence the Earth is a Ball is Technology and NASA (And NASA)

When presented with Flat Earth Theory for the first time, most people immediately think "well what about GPS and satellites?" For one thing, have you ever seen a satellite? A REAL SATELLITE that you know for a fact is a satellite?

Also, GPS can work using triangulation from cellphone towers. Just because some gadget or gizmo like Google earth or your cellphone says the earth is a ball does not mean it is true.


9. Big Bang and Evolution is complete nonsense (What about Grass?)

If we evolved from monkeys who evolved from other species who all started from a single cell organism over millions or billions or years... Then why do vital organs like heart, lungs and even your eyeballs and brain remain pretty much the same throughout the entire animal kingdom. Of course, there are differences in size, but for the most part they are the same thing. You would think that an eyeball with all the parts and functions that science still can't explain would improve at least a LITTLE from a monkey to a human.

The point is, things just aren't evolving...  :-[




10. And finally, the Children of Satan want you DEAD (Could be a metaphor)

Why else do you think all this deception is going on? The soulless ones, tares or incarnated demonic entities want to rule the earth because that is all they have. Why do you think they spend trillions of dollars on defense, record keeping and propaganda? They are trying to cover up your true nature as a child of God and convince you that you are a worthless eater evolved from a monkey or created by aliens so they can rule over you and steal your soul.

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."   John 8:39-47.




So what does this all mean? Well to me, it means that maybe we are not as smart as we think we are. It means that quite possibly technology is not going to solve all our problems, and most definitely it means that you cannot put your faith in the world or in men.

« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 07:44:09 AM by iWitness »
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 08:46:18 AM »
This is a poor troll.

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 08:51:27 AM »
No doubt he spent some time on the OP. Hopefully someone from the round side will find something in there they want to dispute. It is usually best to just pick one topic per thread though. :-\

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 08:52:01 AM »
I don't feel like responding to all of that, but as far as the evolution argument goes...


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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 09:07:25 AM »
This is a poor troll.

I would think this would be a good troll... if I was trolling.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 09:12:15 AM »
I can't argue with your impeccable reasoning.  I've converted.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 09:56:21 AM »
This thread isn't so bad. The poster provided several pieces of information we did not know before, such as evidence that the Cassini photos are being manipulated, as well as a source which states that 95% of the Antarctic coast is composed of ice fronts as I've been saying for years.

The Cassini photos are interesting, because the glow around the blackout suggests that there is something bright behind the model moon that NASA is trying to hide.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2012, 11:38:46 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 09:58:31 AM »
4. The Bible says the Earth is Flat

I know a lot of you atheists, nonbelievers and children of Satan will talk shit about the Bible blah blah blah... but it does say the earth is flat and immovable and so far the Bible's explanation of the shape of the earth is way more accurate than Nasa.

Job 38:14 "As the light approaches, the earth takes shape like clay pressed beneath a seal; it is robed in brilliant colors."

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”




5. The Quran says the Earth is Flat

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

    And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.


Although many FE'ers are atheists, it's important to note that we still view spiritual texts as important cultural artifacts. What different cultures and societies have believed through the ages regarding the shape of the Earth is most certainly of interest.


This thread isn't so bad. The poster provided several pieces of information we didn't know before, such as evidence that the Cassini photos are being manipulated, as well as a source which states that 95% of the Antarctic coast is composed of ice walls and ice shelves as I've been saying for years.

The Cassini photos are interesting, because one can clearly see that there is something bright behind the moon that NASA is trying to hide.


I too think iWitness is being treated somewhat harshly here.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 10:03:11 AM »
just WHO is NASA?
the top guy, top 10 guys, the Managers and above?
All the scientests?
Everyone, even the Janitors.

Love it when people cry NASA when they dont even know who if any are involved.
99.9% of NASA is hard working people just like you and me.
Please refrain from this personal un-Christian attack.

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 10:09:26 AM »
1. The Government Lies

It's well known that the government lies, murders and steals in order to keep in control of the population. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that JFK's head did not explode backwards caused by a bullet coming from the book depository. So if the government would murder the president and cover it up... why wouldn't they lie about other stuff?
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OKay, I'll take the first.

No, it's not well know. Reputable sources please?

Go here for debunking of "head did not explode backwards" woo-woo claim.

So the Government did not murder the President.

Then, even if we agree that the Government lies about other stuff, it's a non sequitur to imply that they are lying about your conspiracy.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 10:42:36 AM »

6. The Great Ice Wall is widely known and studied

According to wikipedia the recorded coastline of Antarctica stretches 11,165 miles and is comprised of, you guessed it, 95% Ice Walls and 5% rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Geography


This is a good one: quoting an article in wikipedia of a RE Antarctica to "prove" the existence of an icewall!
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 11:13:36 AM »
What does evolution have to do with the Earth being flat?

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 11:17:28 AM »
1. The Government Lies

It's well known that the government lies, murders and steals in order to keep in control of the population. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that JFK's head did not explode backwards caused by a bullet coming from the book depository. So if the government would murder the president and cover it up... why wouldn't they lie about other stuff?
Funny thing about that... Actually, there is no conspiracy on this.
Pretty much; what happened was they weren't transparent on the matter. People assumed they were hiding something.
Due to this; folk lost trust. And now, people see conspiracies in every corner.
God bless the Enclave.

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 11:37:33 AM »
3. You COULD see the Curvature with your naked eyes if the earth was a Sphere

It's a common misconception that the earth is simply too big to notice any curvature below (insert figure here). This is simply not true. Using the dimensions of the earth provided by NASA, there would be an 8 inch downward curve after the first mile, 32 inches after the second and 6 feet after the 3rd mile. After 20 miles the ground should curve 266 feet downwards.

Go to a place where the horizon is visible from on top of a hill or building and you can easily see for 5-10+ miles with your naked eye. You will notice that the horizon is perfectly flat and there is not any curvature to be seen.

You know that word you used there, "horizon"? That's what we call the curvature that we can observe as the earth drops away from us. This has been pointed out to you so many times that I'm tempted to print out the other threads with it in nail them to your forehead.
I thought this guy was banned? Can he be banned for longer, please?
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 11:59:21 AM »

7. There is not one peer-reviewed scientific study that proves the earth is a Globe

However, there are countless studies that show the earth is flat. For instance, all experiments measuring the surface of freestanding water show it to be perfectly level. If the earth was a ball and gravity was pulling things downward then all water should be pulled into a curved shape.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm


Thousands, hundred thousands, maybe millions of scientists peer-reviewing each other since centuries vs ONE old book?
Where is the peer-review on ENaG?
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 12:03:53 PM »

7. There is not one peer-reviewed scientific study that proves the earth is a Globe

However, there are countless studies that show the earth is flat. For instance, all experiments measuring the surface of freestanding water show it to be perfectly level. If the earth was a ball and gravity was pulling things downward then all water should be pulled into a curved shape.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm


Thousands, hundred thousands, maybe millions of scientists peer-reviewing each other since centuries vs ONE old book?
Where is the peer-review on ENaG?

Samuel Birley Rowbotham, inventor of Dr. Pepper, had no peers.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 12:04:17 PM »
the religous texts are taken out of context. none of them state the world is flat:



Job 38:14 "As the light approaches, the earth takes shape like clay pressed beneath a seal; it is robed in brilliant colors."

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”


no doesnt say the earth is flat here




5. The Quran says the Earth is Flat

Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)

    And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.


no cant see it here too. please explain better because i can understand what your trying to interprit but your wrong. the bible is more currupt than any goverment and the church is currupt too

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2012, 12:11:56 PM »
1. The Government Lies

It's well known that the government lies, murders and steals in order to keep in control of the population. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that JFK's head did not explode backwards caused by a bullet coming from the book depository. So if the government would murder the president and cover it up... why wouldn't they lie about other stuff?


2. NASA has been caught manipulating images and evidence before

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

http://www.news.com.au/technology/conspiracy-theorists-confident-photoshopped-nasa-image-is-a-cover-up/story-e6frfro0-1225936084529

Once again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that NASA is full of inconsistencies, lies and coverups. The moon landings look incredibly fake not to mention John Glenn's alleged orbit around the earth in 1962. This guy supposedly shot off the top of a rocket going 17,500 mph, did a mid-air 180 degree turn and successfully orbited the earth 3 and a half times in under 5 hours -->

Can anyone say "BULLSHITTTT" ?


We are there very very far from any hint of a proof that the Earth is not a globe!

Them lying doesn't imply this.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2012, 12:57:11 PM »

7. There is not one peer-reviewed scientific study that proves the earth is a Globe

However, there are countless studies that show the earth is flat. For instance, all experiments measuring the surface of freestanding water show it to be perfectly level. If the earth was a ball and gravity was pulling things downward then all water should be pulled into a curved shape.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm


Thousands, hundred thousands, maybe millions of scientists peer-reviewing each other since centuries vs ONE old book?
Where is the peer-review on ENaG?

Samuel Birley Rowbotham, inventor of Dr. Pepper, had no peers.

Is snake oil one of the ingredients?
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2012, 03:19:37 PM »
iWitness, you had a few good points, but I tended to gloss over the biblical parts. Could you elaborate on the picture you posted?  What is its significance?

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 04:16:43 PM »
iWitness, you had a few good points, but I tended to gloss over the biblical parts. Could you elaborate on the picture you posted?  What is its significance?

It is a clay seal from Jerusalem estimated to be about 2000 years old.

http://news.yahoo.com/ancient-seal-found-jerusalem-linked-ritual-111337068.html
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 07:51:43 PM »
That picture is about as convincing as those 'crazy' pictures depicting a spherical earth...

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2012, 06:35:55 AM »
That picture is about as convincing as those 'crazy' pictures depicting a spherical earth...

Who are you trying to fool here? Yourself??
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2012, 07:12:22 AM »
That picture is about as convincing as those 'crazy' pictures depicting a spherical earth...

Who are you trying to fool here? Yourself??

No, how would I be fooling myself?

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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2012, 07:40:11 AM »
What is this picture, anyway?
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2012, 09:01:24 AM »
What is this picture, anyway?


iWitness, you had a few good points, but I tended to gloss over the biblical parts. Could you elaborate on the picture you posted?  What is its significance?

It is a clay seal from Jerusalem estimated to be about 2000 years old.

http://news.yahoo.com/ancient-seal-found-jerusalem-linked-ritual-111337068.html
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2012, 09:09:49 AM »
What's the relevance?
None for me.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2012, 10:55:07 AM »
What's the relevance?
None for me.
It was to further his point. It would only be relevant if you were Jewish or Christian.
And even then; I am unsure. I could've sworn I read somewhere in it that the Earth was round...
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2012, 11:42:56 AM »
What's the relevance?
None for me.
It was to further his point. It would only be relevant if you were Jewish or Christian.
And even then; I am unsure. I could've sworn I read somewhere in it that the Earth was round...

Many religious people are intelligent enough to separate science from belief.
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Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2012, 11:44:34 AM »
What's the relevance?
None for me.
It was to further his point. It would only be relevant if you were Jewish or Christian.
And even then; I am unsure. I could've sworn I read somewhere in it that the Earth was round...

Many religious people are intelligent enough to separate science from belief.
Agreed.
Besides that, some folk take things too literally.
A figure of speech is oft used.
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