I challenge all flat-earthers to explain........

yes but that is irrelevant
it doesn't matter what they tell us
it only matters what we know for ourselves
and we know the earth is flat

Oh its you

Answer me this, did it look like I was disagreeing with you?

do i look like i care?
and i don't see why you had to pander to the americans any fool knows what a rugby ball looks like.
although as far as i know "they" say the earth is not exactly a sphere, i've never heard anyone say it was shaped like a rugby ball...

How can I pander to Americans if they don't exist? :?

Well obviously not to the extremes of a rugby ball but that sort of 'squashed sphere' shape. *They* say that there is a greater distance pole to pole than east to west.

don't be pedantic
you were the one who mentioned them
you specifically said "or football if you're american"
or some such rubbish
i can't be bothered to check...

you have not seen any of these things, you just think you have

you havent seen god either but you believe in him!

after examining this website, it is my interpretation that none of you flat earthers deserve to live...

i don't believe in god
none of my posts have even mentioned religion of any sort
i believe one day all pigs will be equal if you must know...

Quote from: "nzmose"

I honestly get tired having to explain why the earth is so obviously flat all of
time to people.

As if those people could not simply read their bible!

The way I usually finally get through to them is to simply point out that the
map in the glove department of their car is flat, have you ever looked at a
map! It shows very plainly that the earth is quite flat.

But some people continue to carry on with their crazy notions.

Quote from: "Xargon"

I honestly get tired having to explain why the earth is so obviously round all of
time to people.

As if those people could not simply read their geography or, physics books! (

(You know, books about things that can be proven, and are accepted by most ntelligent people, and not those just those trying to fill a void in their lives)

The way I usually finally get through to them is to simply point out that the
globe in a classroom is round, have you ever looked at a
globe! It shows very plainly that the earth is quite round.



(ROUND MAPS DON"T FIT IN GLOVE COMPARTMENTS!)

But some people continue to carry on with their crazy notions.


STICK TO THE TOPIC!

Now this isn't getting anywhere. You can't say that the earth is flat because of maps and you cant say that its round because of globes.

You do have to question the integrity of the globe though. Globes y'see are almost completely spherical yet *they* tell us the Earth is actually rugby (or football if you're american) ball shaped so why not make rugby ball shaped globes?

Ever heard of satire?

SOMBODY STEP UP TO MY CHALLENGE

yay, i am glad this discussion is recent!

i am starting school tomorrow after a long summer and i cant bring myself to sleep, so i was checking random websites, then i remembered how a math teacher of mine told me some people believed earth was still flat! so i googled flat earth .

Now while on this quest,  i was not expecting to learn anything useful, but after finding Xargon's post, it was interesting to read about the Foucault pendulum.

ah, and it's sad to see that no one is standing up to you, when i saw there were 37 replies i was interested and i thought maybe there were some people who would have arguments and i was curious about what they had to say in return, but nope, every one seems to be trying to go on a tangent and avoid the question at hand!  but then again, there's a chance that most of the people here dont actually believe in a flat earth and only argue for the sake of it, which would mean all of this is a waste of time, but it's fine with me considering i have yet to fall asleep!

oh and if Bart Simpson ever convinced me of something it is that water flushed in a toilet will go CW or CCW depending on whether you are on the northern or southern hemisphere. How did he convince me? He called an honest little kid in Australia to ask him! Now we all know Bart is devilish and sometimes lies, but that other innocent aussie couldn't have possibly lied!

oh and if Bart Simpson ever convinced me of something it is that water flushed in a toilet will go CW or CCW depending on whether you are on the northern or southern hemisphere. How did he convince me? He called an honest little kid in Australia to ask him! Now we all know Bart is devilish and sometimes lies, but that other innocent aussie couldn't have possibly lied!

Hate to burst your bubble, but Bart is wrong

If you ever take a trip to the equator in say africa . They always do that trick were you get a tupperware tub filled with water with a matchstick in it ,you then pierce a hole dead centre in the bottom of the tub . The water runs straight out if you stand on the equator . If you stand to the north the water runs out clockwise if you stand to the south of the equator the water whirls in an anti-clockwise direction and thelittle match spins wee wee . That was on a bbc2 documentry and my mates uncle has done it .

That only happens with specifically built containers, which start with full STILL water, and in controlled conditions.  The effect is pretty much insignificantly weak in any of our toilets and bathtubs, even assuming perfectly symmetrical design.  But as we all know, that isn't how our toilets are built.  How the water enters the toilet bowl is going to determine which direction it swirls down.  I can build a toilet to swirl in either direction - that factor far, far, FAR overpowers the weak Coriolis acceleration.
For sinks and tubs, it's the same thing.  Other factors have FAR more effect than the Coriolis effect.  Shape of the sink, starting motion of the water, even things like air movement and sound vibrations.  All more important.
And there's no way some dude in Africa is showing the Coriolis effect in action unless he's in a specially built laboratory doing it.

Since this seems to be the most educated and thought through debating area i thought i might make an add on to what Xargon has to say.

We are looking at things a bit too modern for my liking, lets look a bit back, into ancient history, the topic of my choice.

Did you know that the Romans believed the earth was round? Its true, they even calculated the sperical diameter of the earth by examining the earths distance in relation to the moons movement (and came VERY close to the actual diameter), now let me ask you, WHY would the romans lie about such matters??? They had nothing to gain from a lie, they arnt even athiest, they were polytheists! They had deduced that the earth was round BEFORE they conquered judea, meaning that the concept of Christianity (which in reality hadnt occured yet because jesus wasnt born yet), hadnt occured in Rome!!

Another point, The ancient Egyptians modelled the great pyramids and the great temples surrounding them on the stars, they wanted to make a duplicate of the heavens on earth. They made the pyramids and temples in exact order of the major stars and concellations of that time, they mirrored the heavens as they liked to say. Now the import point i'm trying to make is that the Pyramids were made some 4500 years ago, and their order in the heavens is no longer correct, they no longer are a mirror of the stars, as in 4500 years, the stars and of our own solar system has moved! (and yes i myself have gone to Egypt and looked at the stars and seen that the Pyramids no longer are in correct orbital alignment). The fact that they have moved indicates that the earth itself is moving through space along with the stars, we are no anomily, just another planet, even the romans knew that!

Just thought ide put that in there, seeing as Ancient history is my area of expertice

No shit dude Michael palin did it , Marie's uncle Barry has done it.Just get any big flat based container full of water drop a matchstick in it and poke a hole in it dead centre .The tourists love it .Baz loves it he lives in Tanzania and has done it loads of times.Honestly loads of tourists do it.
Im south of the equator I'm north of the equator I'm on the equator pure tourist shit.

I really don't care if people do little tricks for tourists, it's not the Coriolis effect.  The only stories like that I've heard of are basically fakes, and they claim it's the Coriolis when it's really something else they are doing to cause the water to swirl in the direction they want.  It's a lot easier to fake it than to actually show it, you know.

Since this seems to be the most educated and thought through debating area  

Why, thank you!

Oh, and look at this before posting about water and the equator.

And again,

                             STAY ON TOPIC

I wont tell Barry I shall leave him in his quaint african ignorance.(he loves telling that story)
Any Michael Palins new travel documentry is out soon called Ice wall to ice wall where he is hunted down and escapes capture after being chased by the satanic Illumantii who would try to stop him revealing the TRUTH!!
I have got a good idea to get my mate to give matchstick boy a slap next time he's down their, lying to that Nice michael palin of the telly the bucking fastard.Is nothing sacred anymore

I wont tell Barry I shall leave him in his quaint african ignorance.(he loves telling that story)
Any Michael Palins new travel documentry is out soon called Ice wall to ice wall where he is hunted down and escapes capture after being chased by the satanic Illumantii who would try to stop him revealing the TRUTH!!
I have got a good idea to get my mate to give matchstick boy a slap next time he's down their, lying to that Nice michael palin of the telly the bucking fastard.Is nothing sacred anymore

Wow

the Earth is not flat. the Earth is a sphere, except we live inside it. sheesh, haven't you people played Halo? it's like that, except in a three-demensional form. you would ask about the "ships disappearing over the horizon" argument, but that is because gravity is inverted inside the sphere, and therefore, it would bend light as if we were on the outside. the celestial bodies we see as the Sun, Moon, Stars, Planets, etc. are actually suspended inside the empty space of the sphere. "Space" is simply the empty space inside the sphere. it's simple.

i can refute ANY counter argument because i can simply tell you "the laws of Physics aren't what they are, the government has been telling you lies" or "the laws of ANYTHING aren't what they are..." by doing this, i can effectively eliminate any chance for a fair, scientifical discussion of the issue, thus eliminating any chance that i can be "proven wrong". then again, "science" is just one big lie started by the government, so there's no need for a scientifical discussion of the issue!

oh yeah, colors are lies too. what you think is red is actually blue, and green is really brown. the government has been telling you lies, so there's no way for you to prove me wrong.

Asia doesn't exist (see my post in the "China does not exist" thread), and...oh yeah, i was joking about the inverted-sphere; the Earth is actually flat. you can't prove me wrong because by introducing the consipracy argument, i have already tipped the scales in favor of my side of the debate...wait, what debate?

TEST TO SEE IF YOU'RE A FLAT-EARTHER: you read this post and didn't laugh.

"And anyway, when was the last time you were in "space" I'm sure you've had no personal experience that would lead to you thinking the earth was spherical had you not been told this."

This is called the "appeal to ignorance fallacy" - because the lack of disproof of a claim does not constitute evidence in favor of it.

We possess no disproof of the idea that Nicole Brown Simpson was killed in a martian consipiracy, but that hardly counts in favor of that belief.

Flat Earths also have an "appeal to consequences fallacy" because a claim's being false would be unpleasant provides no good reason to suppose that the claim is true. You simply believe what you want to believe.

By the way - the spinning earth does infact exert a centrifical force - this is what causes the "rugby shaped" earth - however, a rugby shape is the extreme version of this - the earth has merely a slight bulge about its equator - where people do infact weigh less there then they would if they were say in... Canada.

Also in order for something to fall off of our spherical earth - there would have to be some force pulling it down somewhere... For example the idea that a person standing on the north pole - then travels to the south pole in a round earth world would fall off of the south pole is false - how do they fall off the south pole when nothing is pulling them in that direction?

Look here, Flat-Earthers. I like in Connecticut, a small state in New England in the East Coast of America, but last summer, I went to visit my friend in Singapore, a small island city-state at the very tip of Malaysia. Now, if you look on a GLOBE, you will see that Connecticut and Singapore are on opposite points on the surface of the Earth. When I called my family, it was pitch black outside, as it was midnight in Singapore. However, it was noon in Connecticut; the sun was high in the sky. If the Earth was flat, it would be sunny and dark at the exact same time in both Singapore and Connecticut, but that's not the case; their day is our night and their night is our day. How would this be possible on a flat Earth?

Also, chotacabras, you say the Earth is flat because somewhere, there is a very dense body whose gravity is so powerful it flatens the Earth, but tell me, what sort of body can have a gravity high enough to flaten a planet but not suck it into it?

There's also the flight back from Singapore. Now, a flight from Singapore to Newark New Jersey, the air port where I departed, across the Pacific would take an extremely long time, wasting the airline's fuel and probably requiring a few stop-overs. However, our flight path was to depart from Singapore, over Malaysia, over mainland China, over Siberia, over the rim of the North pole, over Alaska, over Canada and land in Newark. You see what we did here? We flew over the top of the earth because the earth spins beneath the plane, saving distance off the flight. I saw everything outside the window of the plane; I saw the Malaysian jungles, I saw the sparsity of civilization of central, mainland China, I saw the vast, frozen tundra of Siberia, I saw the North Pole, I saw more tundra in Alaska and northern Canada and so forth. If the earth truly looked as it did if you opened an Atlus, this type of flight path would add distance to the flight. You would have to go north, east, south, southeast and south again in a bizarre zigzag. However, since the earth is SPHERICAL, you can draw a straight line from Singapore to New Jersey through the North Pole.

Look here, Flat-Earthers. I like in Connecticut, a small state in New England in the East Coast of America, but last summer, I went to visit my friend in Singapore, a small island city-state at the very tip of Malaysia. Now, if you look on a GLOBE, you will see that Connecticut and Singapore are on opposite points on the surface of the Earth. When I called my family, it was pitch black outside, as it was midnight in Singapore. However, it was noon in Connecticut; the sun was high in the sky. If the Earth was flat, it would be sunny and dark at the exact same time in both Singapore and Connecticut, but that's not the case; their day is our night and their night is our day. How would this be possible on a flat Earth?

Also, chotacabras, you say the Earth is flat because somewhere, there is a very dense body whose gravity is so powerful it flatens the Earth, but tell me, what sort of body can have a gravity high enough to flaten a planet but not suck it into it?

If you read the first post, you have seen that I allready said that.  STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE! READ THE FIRST POST!

then what about the aussies? r u saying they never get sunlight?
how do they stay attached to the bottom? where do you live?
Does this make me look fat?

round like my wifes boobs, not like ur moms,
but perky, and jigglly,  :!:  :!:  see?

no matter how much you try and explain im right. because i said so.
bah.

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There is something i dont get, whats the reason of lie to us, all those ppl wh0 sent satellites, and those things???

Why when you travel from Argentina to Japan, you dont see the place where there is the end of a side of the disc, and the other side appears???

Another question for those who really believe:

Who started to think this???

Why didnt the satellites ever seen the border of the disc???

Do you think the Sun is a disc too???

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There may be an awful lot of people who make, use, profit from satellites, but only a very select minority are involved in "putting them up there". Carefully chosen men, if you get my drift.

HMM, well they are private industry right? The government doest control them do they?

Monsuco you are NOT SEXY

well he might be in his own special way.....

anywayz, carlos mencia gives you all "dee-dee-dees" for believing of this "flat earth".

why is there no evidence if this "flat earth"?  what has led you to believe this? Tell me why we have volcanic activity, an ozone later, magnetic van-allen belts to repel solar wind, and taco bell. well? also explain why I could not see the end of this "flat earth" during my trips to the phillipines.

Monsuco is a FAG!

and youre a homo-phobe