Why the earth can't be flat

My biggest point againsty the FE theory is what the reason to hide it would be.
What could NASA possibly get out of hiding such a massive truth from everyone, and how could they possibly get away with it? Thats why the entire idea of a flat earth is ridiculous.

No one is getting anything out of hiding something like that from the public. No governments, no organizations, no one at all. Thats all I really have to say

-Koff koff

your whole society is based on an incorrect interpretation of an experiment by an inventor who happened to be a rapist, and he was disproved multiple times

your whole society is based on an incorrect interpretation of an experiment by an inventor who happened to be a rapist, and he was disproved multiple times

Well that came out of left field.

Would you expand on the rapist part, please?

Quote from: rad_creeper on February 21, 2012, 11:46:23 AM

your whole society is based on an incorrect interpretation of an experiment by an inventor who happened to be a rapist, and he was disproved multiple times

Well that came out of left field.

Would you expand on the rapist part, please?

answer my question please. The one at the very top.

Please post conspiracy based questions in the correct forum. (Flat Earth General)

FET itself does not need a conspiracy to remain valid.

My biggest point againsty the FE theory is what the reason to hide it would be.
What could NASA possibly get out of hiding such a massive truth from everyone, and how could they possibly get away with it? Thats why the entire idea of a flat earth is ridiculous.

No one is getting anything out of hiding something like that from the public. No governments, no organizations, no one at all. Thats all I really have to say

Motive: money


Ability: having to join a space agency in order to obseve the things they claim exist first-hand.

It's somehow cost effective to fake lunar missions, mars mission, giant telescopes, satellites, rocket launches, etc...all in the effort to fool everyone that we can go into space. Every day when I look on the news sites theres always articles about astronomy and whatnot, done by not nasa or the government, but by private research labs or private (and public) universities. And yet the motivating force behind the conspiracy is the "government funding" they receive from the government that is supposedly blinded by the evil conspiracists at nasa.

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET. Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

The Earth can't be round because that's what the godless communists would have you believe!

The Earth can't be round because that's what the godless communists would have you believe!

Please stop this nonsense in the upper forums.  Consider this a warning.

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET. Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

Really? We just went over how RET predicts both the Moon's phase and the change in the Parallactic Angle of objects in the sky. This evidence is available to any observer, person, private organization, or NASA.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 25, 2012, 07:42:50 AM

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET. Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

Really? We just went over how RET predicts both the Moon's phase and the change in the Parallactic Angle of objects in the sky. This evidence is available to any observer, person, private organization, or NASA.

Who's talking about 'availability'? We're talking about what private organisations have or haven't done.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 25, 2012, 06:41:38 PM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 25, 2012, 07:42:50 AM

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET. Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

Really? We just went over how RET predicts both the Moon's phase and the change in the Parallactic Angle of objects in the sky. This evidence is available to any observer, person, private organization, or NASA.

Who's talking about 'availability'? We're talking about what private organisations have or haven't done.

Okay, here's a list of Dr Meeus's books that document RET's predictions all but one published by private organizations.

• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1966) Publisher: Pergamon Press (1966)
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1979), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-22-0 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc.
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1988), 4th ed Enlarged and revised, Willmann-Bell Inc, ISBN 0-943396-22-0
• Astronomical formulas for microcalculators (1988) (Russian Edition, Moscow,"Mir", 1988)
• co-author of Canon of Lunar Eclipses (1979)
• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1983)
• Elements of Solar Eclipses 1951-2200 (1989) ISBN 0-943396-21-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (January 1989)
• Transits (1989)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1991), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-35-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 1st English ed edition (December 1991)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1998), 2nd ed, ISBN 0-943396-61-1 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 2 edition (December 1998)
• Astronomical Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets (1983) ISBN 0-943396-02-6
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (1997) ISBN 0-943396-51-4
• More Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (2002) ISBN 0-943396-74-3
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels III (2004) ISBN 0-943396-81-6
• co-author of Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses: -1999 to +3000 (2006), NASA Technical paper 2006-214141 2006 [1]
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels IV (2007) ISBN 987-0-943396-87-63 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (July 31, 2007)
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels V (2009) ISBN 978-0-943396-92-7 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc. (2010)

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET.  Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

When you say "serious evidence for RET", are you referring to direct observations of the earth from space?  I know how you like to go on about empirical evidence and trusting your senses, but are you seriously suggesting that the only way to prove that the earth is round is to personally go into space and look for yourself?

-Koff koff

Really? You made a post at 2:36 P.M. (EST) and then complained that no had answered it yet at 2:43 P.M?

As for Clocktower... stop being tedious. The man obviously works with NASA.

As for Clocktower... stop being tedious. The man obviously works with NASA.

Provide evidence of your outlandish claim. Even if NASA employed him, if you need to invoke the Conspiracy, you've lost again.

Oh and Dr. Meeus's publications are easily verified for accuracy, like we done for predicting the phase of the Moon and the Parallactic Angle. RET makes predictions. Everyday observations provide evidence. FET make very few predictions often without relying on its, and RET does a better job relying on its model.

if you need to invoke the Conspiracy, you've lost again.

Because you don't have an answer to that?

It's not a competition or a game. The earth is flat. How are you still confused after all this time?

Inb4 "you're a troll and here is a bunch of links to discredit you". 

Quote from: ClockTower on February 26, 2012, 08:23:57 AM

if you need to invoke the Conspiracy, you've lost again.

Because you don't have an answer to that?

Its not a competition or a game. The earth is flat. How are you still confused after all this time?

Gee, that's news to me. As a troll, you don't maintain that the Earth is flat for anything but sport. Doesn't that make it a competition?

No one can have an answer to a mysterious, nefarious conspiracy. Reference: http://warp.povusers.org/grrr/conspiracytheories.html and http://warp.povusers.org/grrr/conspiracytheories.html.

As a troll

Wow, didn't see that coming.   You know, you are kind of boring.

No one can have an answer to a mysterious, nefarious conspiracy

We can. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean reality must reflect your warped view of the world.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 26, 2012, 08:36:12 AM

As a troll

Wow, didn't see that coming.   You know, you are kind of boring.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 26, 2012, 08:36:12 AM

No one can have an answer to a mysterious, nefarious conspiracy

We can. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean reality must reflect your warped view of the world.

So what's your answer to a mysterious, nefarious conspiracy? I haven't seen you argue against the existence of the Conspiracy, though Roundy seems to be starting down that thankless path.

The conspiracy is real.

thankless path.

Who makes it thankless? He doesn't do it for my benefit. How about you thank him?

The conspiracy is real.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 26, 2012, 08:44:07 AM

thankless path.

Who makes it thankless? He doesn't do it for my benefit. How about you thank him?

Unfortunately both paths are thankless thanks to permanoobs like Clocktower.  It's a labour of love, what we do, Thork.

Indeed. We've been leading this thirsty horse to water for years, but the stupid thing refuses to drink.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 26, 2012, 08:23:57 AM

if you need to invoke the Conspiracy, you've lost again.

Because you don't have an answer to that?

It's not a competition or a game. The earth is flat. How are you still confused after all this time?

Inb4 "you're a troll and here is a bunch of links to discredit you". 

There's no answer because there's no way to prove that there's no conspiracy.

Even if there's a lack of evidence, the conspiracy-believer can just say "Yeah, of course there's no evidence.  The conspiracy wouldn't let it get out."

You can stick with it if you want, but it's not gonna win people over to your side.  This conspiracy to hide the true shape of the earth only seems plausible if you already think the earth is flat.  It's a dead-end road to go down.

Again, I challenge the FE believers to go and work for a space agency like NASA. They hire people other than just astronauts. They don't need to know you are a FEer.
If you are serious about knowing the true shape of the earth, actually do something to investigate this massive world-wide conspiracy.

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Who's talking about 'availability'? We're talking about what private organisations have or haven't done.

Okay, here's a list of Dr Meeus's books that document RET's predictions all but one published by private organizations.

• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1966) Publisher: Pergamon Press (1966)
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1979), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-22-0 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc.
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1988), 4th ed Enlarged and revised, Willmann-Bell Inc, ISBN 0-943396-22-0
• Astronomical formulas for microcalculators (1988) (Russian Edition, Moscow,"Mir", 1988)
• co-author of Canon of Lunar Eclipses (1979)
• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1983)
• Elements of Solar Eclipses 1951-2200 (1989) ISBN 0-943396-21-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (January 1989)
• Transits (1989)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1991), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-35-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 1st English ed edition (December 1991)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1998), 2nd ed, ISBN 0-943396-61-1 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 2 edition (December 1998)
• Astronomical Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets (1983) ISBN 0-943396-02-6
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (1997) ISBN 0-943396-51-4
• More Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (2002) ISBN 0-943396-74-3
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels III (2004) ISBN 0-943396-81-6
• co-author of Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses: -1999 to +3000 (2006), NASA Technical paper 2006-214141 2006 [1]
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels IV (2007) ISBN 987-0-943396-87-63 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (July 31, 2007)
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels V (2009) ISBN 978-0-943396-92-7 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc. (2010)

What does this have to do with The Conspiracy?

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 25, 2012, 07:42:50 AM

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET.  Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

When you say "serious evidence for RET", are you referring to direct observations of the earth from space?  I know how you like to go on about empirical evidence and trusting your senses, but are you seriously suggesting that the only way to prove that the earth is round is to personally go into space and look for yourself?

I am referring to that because it's what the OP was asking about. Pretty simple.

Quote from: ClockTower on February 25, 2012, 08:17:52 PM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore, fixed quote

Who's talking about 'availability'? We're talking about what private organisations have or haven't done.

Okay, here's a list of Dr Meeus's books that document RET's predictions all but one published by private organizations.

• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1966) Publisher: Pergamon Press (1966)
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1979), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-22-0 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc.
• Astronomical Formulae for Calculators (1988), 4th ed Enlarged and revised, Willmann-Bell Inc, ISBN 0-943396-22-0
• Astronomical formulas for microcalculators (1988) (Russian Edition, Moscow,"Mir", 1988)
• co-author of Canon of Lunar Eclipses (1979)
• co-author of Canon of Solar Eclipses (1983)
• Elements of Solar Eclipses 1951-2200 (1989) ISBN 0-943396-21-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (January 1989)
• Transits (1989)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1991), 1st ed, ISBN 0-943396-35-2 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 1st English ed edition (December 1991)
• Astronomical Algorithms (1998), 2nd ed, ISBN 0-943396-61-1 Publisher: Willmann-Bell; 2 edition (December 1998)
• Astronomical Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets (1983) ISBN 0-943396-02-6
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (1997) ISBN 0-943396-51-4
• More Mathematical Astronomy Morsels (2002) ISBN 0-943396-74-3
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels III (2004) ISBN 0-943396-81-6
• co-author of Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses: -1999 to +3000 (2006), NASA Technical paper 2006-214141 2006 [1]
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels IV (2007) ISBN 987-0-943396-87-63 Publisher: Willmann-Bell (July 31, 2007)
• Mathematical Astronomy Morsels V (2009) ISBN 978-0-943396-92-7 Publisher: Willmann-Bell, Inc. (2010)

What does this have to do with The Conspiracy?

It has do to do with your claim quoted above. Private organizations have done a great deal to show that RET is correct, making accurate predictions over long periods based on the RET model. Additionally anyone can verify significant portions of the above work by testing predictions made.

But the OP is clearly talking about The Conspiracy. Nobody here claims that text-books or publications are all part of The Conspiracy. They're just wrong. So why are you bringing this up here?

But the OP is clearly talking about The Conspiracy. Nobody here claims that text-books or publications are all part of The Conspiracy. They're just wrong. So why are you bringing this up here?

You made the claim:

Private organisations have done very little (if anything) that is used as serious evidence for RET. Most of what is done involves the major space agencies on some level.

You brought up private organizations.

Do you have any evidence that textbooks and publications are "just wrong"? We've seen two cases in recent weeks where those sources predicted the phase of the Moon the Parallactic Angle of constellations, the Sun and the Moon, and time of dusk in L. A.