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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 01:34:32 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
Why is this thread being presented as an either/or contest? Text is very useful, but it's been around for a long time, and most people still feel a desire or need for verbal communication. I have no doubt that txting is better than not texting, but it doesn't come at the expense of talking. I doubt people today really text more and talk less; rather they simply text. It helps us to communicate more than we could if we just spoke.

Vongeo presented text as better than talk, in which it is not.
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2012, 01:47:53 PM »
But "better" in what sense? Is it better when you want to order a burger in McDonalds? Or tell someone to watch out for a banana skin they're about to step on?
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2012, 01:51:27 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 01:47:53 PM
But "better" in what sense? Is it better when you want to order a burger in McDonalds? Or tell someone to watch out for a banana skin they're about to step on?

That is a good point. I believe the overall theme was "getting the message across." Meaning which type of communication is more easily understood in a wider variety of scenarios.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2012, 01:59:36 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
Why is this thread being presented as an either/or contest? Text is very useful, but it's been around for a long time, and most people still feel a desire or need for verbal communication. I have no doubt that txting is better than not texting, but it doesn't come at the expense of talking. I doubt people today really text more and talk less; rather they simply text. It helps us to communicate more than we could if we just spoke.

I'm not sure that the entirety of the conversation in the thread has been about texting as rather than written communication in general, but I know at least I and some other people have said that there are pros and cons to both alternatives.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2012, 02:05:18 PM »
Oh, I know some of you have, That post was really directed at the OP, though I probably didn't make that very clear.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2012, 02:10:38 PM »
After one orders from mcdonalds, the people at mcdonalds press a button that displays to the people who make food what food to make. Text.

You can't really slip on a banana peel, Gully Foyle. But signs can provide constant warning where as voices are conditional to proximity of helpful people who don't hate you.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2012, 02:24:03 PM »
Quote from: Vongeo on February 22, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
After one orders from mcdonalds, the people at mcdonalds press a button that displays to the people who make food what food to make. Text.


But would it be easier for me to text my order to the person at the counter?


Quote from: Vongeo on February 22, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
You can't really slip on a banana peel, Gully Foyle. But signs can provide constant warning where as voices are conditional to proximity of helpful people who don't hate you.


And signs must be 'installed' and are of no use to the blind.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2012, 02:29:06 PM »
It would ve easier for you to press the button
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Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 12, 2010, 02:47:19 PM
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2012, 02:51:39 PM »
Quote from: Vongeo on February 22, 2012, 02:29:06 PM
It would ve easier for you to press the button


Only if sufficient automation options were present. And what about the friendly McDonalds staff? A piece of text can't be friendly.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2012, 03:01:12 PM »
Of course text can be friendly, good sir. People at McDonald's are generally not friendly.  :(
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2012, 03:09:34 PM »
Totally imo. I'd rather send an e-mail than make a phone call anyday.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 03:01:12 PM
Of course text can be friendly, good sir. People at McDonald's are generally not friendly.  :(


People who work at the McDonalds I go to are very nice. Oh well.


And I really meant friendly in terms of mannerisms, expressions, tone, and all the other things which are bound up with speech.


Take a few of Obama's speeches. Written, they're fairly dull. Spoken, they are great examples of rhetoric. The force of the message is determined by the medium. No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will. That is equally true in everyday scenarios.
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rooster

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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM »
An email might not, but an essay might. You can't compare a President's speech to an email.

Like you said earlier, you really can't compare text and talk. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2012, 05:20:03 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
An email might not, but an essay might. You can't compare a President's speech to an email.


Well, I didn't really. I compared a President's speech spoken to the same speech written.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2012, 05:23:08 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2012, 05:25:09 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.


Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
You can't compare a President's speech to an email.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2012, 05:29:21 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.


Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
You can't compare a President's speech to an email.
>implying Presidents don't make great speeches
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2012, 05:32:06 PM »
Comparing two options that can happily coexist and actually depend on each other is silly.
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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2012, 06:06:02 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.


Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
You can't compare a President's speech to an email.
>implying Presidents don't make great speeches


Not at all. Think about it some more. In any case, I'm not sure why you've decided to make an issue of this, as my point was simply that Obama's speeches are dull when read, but exciting when you listen to them. The content is identical, but the medium clearly has a positive impact.
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rooster

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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2012, 06:30:35 PM »
You're the one making the deal out of it. My point is still completely valid. It all depends on the text vs. the speaker. You compared great speeches to an email. Might as well compare wedding vows to a text. Or a Richard Nixon speech to All Quiet on the Western Front.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2012, 06:36:08 PM »
A wild rooster appears!

Lord Wilmore used Logic!  It wasn't very effective...
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2012, 07:02:00 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 06:30:35 PM
You're the one making the deal out of it.


But you brought it up...


Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
An email might not, but an essay might. You can't compare a President's speech to an email.


 ???


Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 06:30:35 PM
My point is still completely valid. It all depends on the text vs. the speaker. You compared great speeches to an email. Might as well compare wedding vows to a text. Or a Richard Nixon speech to All Quiet on the Western Front.


When did you make that point? As in, before now? Never as far as I can tell.


In any event, it's not a very good point. In my example, the content is the same. All that changes is the medium by which it is communicated. You can email Obama's best speeches to people, but they won't come across as well as they would if you emailed them a recording of his speech.


I'm not saying you can't compare the two mediums - clearly a novel is usually better read than heard, and vice-versa for political speeches. I just think that it's silly to say one is outright "better" than the other.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2012, 07:09:21 PM »
its soo better.

u don't even no gully
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2012, 07:19:21 PM »
I said you can't compare speeches and emails... Which is my point.

Lord Wilmore has now become PP out of bam guilt. Super pedantic. Wah, Presidents' and great speeches aren't the same thing. That's making a deal out of it.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2012, 07:22:21 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
I said you can't compare speeches and emails... Which is my point.

Lord Wilmore has now become PP out of bam guilt. Super pedantic. Wah, Presidents' and great speeches aren't the same thing. That's making a deal out of it.

In order to pull the pedantic card, you should try grasping the point he was trying to make.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2012, 07:27:42 PM »
Quote from: Blanko on February 22, 2012, 07:22:21 PM
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
I said you can't compare speeches and emails... Which is my point.

Lord Wilmore has now become PP out of bam guilt. Super pedantic. Wah, Presidents' and great speeches aren't the same thing. That's making a deal out of it.

In order to pull the pedantic card, you should try grasping the point he was trying to make.
"The content is the same" makes the point clear, which is something his first post was lacking.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2012, 07:29:59 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: Blanko on February 22, 2012, 07:22:21 PM
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
I said you can't compare speeches and emails... Which is my point.

Lord Wilmore has now become PP out of bam guilt. Super pedantic. Wah, Presidents' and great speeches aren't the same thing. That's making a deal out of it.

In order to pull the pedantic card, you should try grasping the point he was trying to make.
"The content is the same" makes the point clear, which is something his first post was lacking.

You not getting it does not make the point absent.
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2012, 07:36:10 PM »
I understood that he was referring to the inadequacy of reading a written speech, rather than having an orator read it to you.

I think Wendy was right to refer Rooster to rif.org
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2012, 07:54:06 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.
If the first post didn't have this sentence it may have been better. This seems to me that he's comparing apples and oranges. It completely threw me off from "the content is the same".
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Re: Text is better than Talk
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2012, 08:05:05 PM »
Quote from: rooster on February 22, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on February 22, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
No email is going to have the same effect on you as a great speech will.
If the first post didn't have this sentence it may have been better. This seems to me that he's comparing apples and oranges. It completely threw me off from "the content is the same".

How did you think you were going to get a written copy of his speech?

I suppose it was a little ambiguous, but you spent far too much time on one sentence, while missing the entire point of this argument.
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