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What about Google Earth?
« on: February 13, 2012, 09:25:17 AM »
Google Earth is supposed to show satellite images of the whole earth. And it is not fake, because you can see your own home using it. Google Earth shows the shape of the earth exactly like a sphere. So how do you explain that?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM »
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 10:42:51 AM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
Did you mean that all of Google Earth was taken using only high altitude aircraft? If not, your conclusion does not follow.

Oh, and just how to you 'stitch together' something that isn't the surface of a sphere into the surface of a sphere? Could you provide an example, so we might verify Google's incompetence?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 10:47:12 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
Did you mean that all of Google Earth was taken using only high altitude aircraft? If not, your conclusion does not follow.

Oh, and just how to you 'stitch together' something that isn't the surface of a sphere into the surface of a sphere? Could you provide an example, so we might verify Google's incompetence?

I suggest looking at Google earth itself and taking note of all the computer generated sections of geography and the mysterious black spots placed here and there.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 10:56:17 AM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
Did you mean that all of Google Earth was taken using only high altitude aircraft? If not, your conclusion does not follow.

Oh, and just how to you 'stitch together' something that isn't the surface of a sphere into the surface of a sphere? Could you provide an example, so we might verify Google's incompetence?

I suggest looking at Google earth itself and taking note of all the computer generated sections of geography and the mysterious black spots placed here and there.
Dodging questions again? How sad. I guess we know now how little effort you're putting into this. Oh, well.
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 10:58:44 AM »
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
Did you mean that all of Google Earth was taken using only high altitude aircraft? If not, your conclusion does not follow.

Oh, and just how to you 'stitch together' something that isn't the surface of a sphere into the surface of a sphere? Could you provide an example, so we might verify Google's incompetence?

I suggest looking at Google earth itself and taking note of all the computer generated sections of geography and the mysterious black spots placed here and there.
Dodging questions again? How sad. I guess we know now how little effort you're putting into this. Oh, well.
I thank you for conceding. Do stop back when you can provide a real rebuttal.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 11:05:34 AM »
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 13, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Google earth was taken using high altitude aircraft. Even Google admits this.

Also, the pictures were stitched together to depict a sphere, because as far as Google knows, that is what the earth looks like.
Did you mean that all of Google Earth was taken using only high altitude aircraft? If not, your conclusion does not follow.

Oh, and just how to you 'stitch together' something that isn't the surface of a sphere into the surface of a sphere? Could you provide an example, so we might verify Google's incompetence?

I suggest looking at Google earth itself and taking note of all the computer generated sections of geography and the mysterious black spots placed here and there.
Dodging questions again? How sad. I guess we know now how little effort you're putting into this. Oh, well.
I thank you for conceding. Do stop back when you can provide a real rebuttal.
I was not rebutting anything. I was asking simple, straight-forward questions that you dodged. Please do pay attention.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM »
Clocktower it's very easy to see that Google Earth is made up of a bunch of Photographs edited together in a Collage. Obviously, they can make whatever shape out of them they want...

Or are all these photographs really in the shape of the Mona Lisa?



Google earth = Not exact portrayal of Earth
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 11:34:46 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
are all these photographs really in the shape of the Mona Lisa?

Yes.


Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Google earth = Not exact portrayal of Earth

Correct.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM »
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 04:01:21 PM »
Since they helped pay for one of the imaging satellites, I think that it's safe to say that Google has a vested interest in getting the shape of the earth right.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 06:03:25 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 06:32:12 PM »
Google Earth is a neat toy, but just like a car designer wouldn't use a matchbox car in practical application, people shouldn't treat Google Earth as anything other than an elaborate toy.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 06:49:52 PM »
Quote from: zarg on February 13, 2012, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
are all these photographs really in the shape of the Mona Lisa?

Yes.


Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Google earth = Not exact portrayal of Earth

Correct.

Ok, then we can agree that Mona Lisa herself was not made up of those particular photographs?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 07:09:49 PM »
I'd just like to point out, while the existence of Google Earth does in fact disprove FET, trying to explain this to a FE'er is a counterproductive activity. The sheer scope of the project, the multiple different sources and methods, Google's own glitches and incompleteness, it all serves to confuse and distract the discussion away from the underlying facts. It's much easier and more effective to confront them with stand-alone evidence from individual sources, where the FE'ers only recourse is denial.



Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
Mona Lisa herself

Mona Lisa "herself" is not a person, it is a painting of Lisa del Giocondo.


Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
was not made up of those particular photographs

Nor is Earth itself made up of photographs. Did you forget to make a point?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 07:20:43 PM »
Dude, the reason the Spherical Earth Theory falls flat is because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for experiments conducted over 100 years ago using a simple telescope. http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm

You can sit here and provide all the computer generated models, Nasa Photographs, astronaut testimonies you want but any human with an open mind that learns about the subject will see right through it. Thus explains the 1000s that are waking up to the Truth around the world as we speak.

It's too late. You might as well join the side of Truth and quit playing games. It's not hard to see the amount of Trolls on here that promote Nasa's propaganda with 1000s of posts that obviously ignore the most basic of claims from The Flat Earth Society.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 07:23:32 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Dude, the reason the Spherical Earth Theory falls flat is because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for experiments conducted over 100 years ago using a simple telescope. http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm

Atmospheric refraction is a very reasonable explanation for the Bedford Levels experiment.  That you refuse accept it as a reasonable explanation is another matter.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2012, 10:02:06 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Dude, the reason the Spherical Earth Theory falls flat is because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for experiments conducted over 100 years ago using a simple telescope. http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm

You can sit here and provide all the computer generated models, Nasa Photographs, astronaut testimonies you want but any human with an open mind that learns about the subject will see right through it. Thus explains the 1000s that are waking up to the Truth around the world as we speak.

It's too late. You might as well join the side of Truth and quit playing games. It's not hard to see the amount of Trolls on here that promote Nasa's propaganda with 1000s of posts that obviously ignore the most basic of claims from The Flat Earth Society.

that book would make great tinder. it has no other use. its ment to be full of truth but all i read was wild guesses and false statements
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 10:29:46 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Clocktower it's very easy to see that Google Earth is made up of a bunch of Photographs edited together in a Collage. Obviously, they can make whatever shape out of them they want...

Or are all these photographs really in the shape of the Mona Lisa?

[img]http://www.thejigsawclub.com/images/Photomosaic/554-Mona_Lisa.jpg

Google earth = Not exact portrayal of Earth
If they weren't really in the shape of the Mona Lisa, we wouldn't see the Mona Lisa.

The comparison is a poor one anyway.  If I zoom in on that image, do I see an enlarged section of the original Mona Lisa?  No, I see an entirely different photo.

With google earth, I can zoom in to every spot in the world I've been to, and see an enlarged and detailed image of that area, down to cars, buildings, roads, trails, and shrubs.  Since I've been to those areas, I know they're accurate.

If all those aerial photos are of a flat earth, not a spherical earth, then you should be able to lay them out flat and have a flat earth map.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 02:49:19 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?

Yes. They depict the earth as a sphere.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2012, 02:51:57 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 02:51:27 PM »
Quote from: markjo on February 14, 2012, 07:23:32 AM
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Dude, the reason the Spherical Earth Theory falls flat is because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for experiments conducted over 100 years ago using a simple telescope. http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm

Atmospheric refraction is a very reasonable explanation for the Bedford Levels experiment.  That you refuse accept it as a reasonable explanation is another matter.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 14, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
Consider the observations across the bedford level and other observations which demonstrate that the earth is flat. Re'ers again say "refraction did it."

But for refraction to explain the Bedford Level, objects would have to be suspended at a perfect distance in the air in relation to the distance from the observer, or else the object would appear too high or too low - either hovering above the earth or obscured by it. In order for the earth to appear flat when really a globe, the refraction effect needs to cause the objects need to be suspended 16 feet above the earth at 5 miles, 66 feet above the earth at 10 miles, and 266 feet above the earth at 20 miles.

In other words the refraction effect needs to adjust itself with regards to the distance the observer is looking across, otherwise the earth would not appear flat. Ridiculous.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 03:20:31 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?

Yes. They depict the earth as a sphere.
Exactly how did you determine that the cause was media hype?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 03:41:14 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on February 14, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?

Yes. They depict the earth as a sphere.
Exactly how did you determine that the cause was media hype?

Obviously they didn't come up with the idea themselves.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2012, 05:38:03 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 14, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 13, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Google is also taken in by all of this media hype that the earth is a "sphere".
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?

Yes. They depict the earth as a sphere.
Exactly how did you determine that the cause was media hype?

Obviously they didn't come up with the idea themselves.
How is that obvious exactly? How does that support your claim that the cause is media hype?

Surely, you wouldn't level an accusation without evidence, right?
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2012, 07:50:39 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: markjo on February 14, 2012, 07:23:32 AM
Quote from: iWitness on February 13, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Dude, the reason the Spherical Earth Theory falls flat is because nobody has been able to provide a reasonable explanation for experiments conducted over 100 years ago using a simple telescope. http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za05.htm

Atmospheric refraction is a very reasonable explanation for the Bedford Levels experiment.  That you refuse accept it as a reasonable explanation is another matter.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 14, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
Consider the observations across the bedford level and other observations which demonstrate that the earth is flat. Re'ers again say "refraction did it."

But for refraction to explain the Bedford Level, objects would have to be suspended at a perfect distance in the air in relation to the distance from the observer, or else the object would appear too high or too low - either hovering above the earth or obscured by it. In order for the earth to appear flat when really a globe, the refraction effect needs to cause the objects need to be suspended 16 feet above the earth at 5 miles, 66 feet above the earth at 10 miles, and 266 feet above the earth at 20 miles.

In other words the refraction effect needs to adjust itself with regards to the distance the observer is looking across, otherwise the earth would not appear flat. Ridiculous.
No Tom, refraction would not need to "suspend" the image.  Since the observer in the BLE is a mere 18 inches above the water's surface, refraction would merely need to cause the rays of light that are already very nearly parallel to the surface of the water to follow the slight curvature of the earth.  This can easily be accomplished with the temperature gradient that will naturally occur near the water surface on calm days.  I suspect  that Rowotham was well aware of this phenomenon and took advantage of it.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on February 14, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
How is that obvious exactly? How does that support your claim that the cause is media hype?

Either Google came up with the Round Earth model themselves or they were told that it was round by outside sources -- TV, books, NASA, Public Schools. It's clearly the later: Media Hype.

Quote from: markjo on February 14, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
No Tom, refraction would not need to "suspend" the image.  Since the observer in the BLE is a mere 18 inches above the water's surface, refraction would merely need to cause the rays of light that are already very nearly parallel to the surface of the water to follow the slight curvature of the earth.  This can easily be accomplished with the temperature gradient that will naturally occur near the water surface on calm days.  I suspect  that Rowotham was well aware of this phenomenon and took advantage of it.

Yes, refraction would need to suspend the image at an exact height.

Refraction does not cause the rays of light to follow the curvature of the earth's surface. Why would it? Light wouldn't be attracted to the earth's surface as it curves away.

Your "ducting" phenomenon does not make sense at all.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2012, 10:02:13 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2012, 10:19:38 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Either Google came up with the Round Earth model themselves or they were told that it was round by outside sources -- TV, books, NASA, Public Schools. It's clearly the later: Media Hype.

So, anyone who decides that the earth is flat not on their own but as a result of reading www.theflatearthsociety.org is a victim of Media Hype™. I see.


Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Refraction does not cause the rays of light to follow the curvature of the earth's surface. Why would it? Light wouldn't be attracted to the earth's surface as it curves away.

Markjo is not saying that light is attracted to Earth's surface, because markjo (unlike you) understands that correlation does not imply causation.


Quote from: Tom Bishop on December 14, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
... the refraction effect needs to adjust itself ...

And it doesn't... which is why the Bedford experiment fails the reproducibility test, and is therefore invalid.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2012, 10:21:15 PM »
Quote from: zarg on February 14, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Either Google came up with the Round Earth model themselves or they were told that it was round by outside sources -- TV, books, NASA, Public Schools. It's clearly the later: Media Hype.

So, anyone who decides that the earth is flat not on their own but as a result of reading www.theflatearthsociety.org is a victim of Media Hype™. I see.


haha too right!
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2012, 06:23:15 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on February 14, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
How is that obvious exactly? How does that support your claim that the cause is media hype?

Either Google came up with the Round Earth model themselves or they were told that it was round by outside sources -- TV, books, NASA, Public Schools. It's clearly the later: Media Hype.

I renew my challenge: Please show that the cause was media hype.

Also, you argue from a false dichotomy. Surely Google could be controlled by the conspiracy. Surely the data Google receives could be tamperer with beforehand. Surely, there are another dozen possibilities.
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Re: What about Google Earth?
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2012, 12:04:20 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 14, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Refraction does not cause the rays of light to follow the curvature of the earth's surface. Why would it? Light wouldn't be attracted to the earth's surface as it curves away.

Your "ducting" phenomenon does not make sense at all.

Then you do not understand the phenomenon.  With the observer being so low the the water level, it does not take much of a temperature gradient for the change in the index of refraction of the air to cause the light rays to follow along the duct.  Perhaps this might help you to understand ducting a little better: http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/duct.html
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