earth flat

I always think earth is flat.  When I live in mexico I look out and see only flat.  How can I prove to brother that earth is flat because I tell him and he call me idiot.

I also try to learn to write better english here but sometimes I dont know the words.

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

I tell him and he call me idiot.  He call me different name in spanish that mean idiot.  He say the earth looks flat because it so big.  I tell him earth is flat three times and he call me idiot three times.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 05, 2012, 08:57:20 AM

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

I tell him and he call me idiot.  He call me different name in spanish that mean idiot.  He say the earth looks flat because it so big.  I tell him earth is flat three times and he call me idiot three times.

He is obviously in denial. Your brother can not refute your claims so he simply mocks you. Give it time and the truth will unfold to him.

Quote from: Raymondo on February 05, 2012, 09:00:40 AM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 05, 2012, 08:57:20 AM

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

I tell him and he call me idiot.  He call me different name in spanish that mean idiot.  He say the earth looks flat because it so big.  I tell him earth is flat three times and he call me idiot three times.

He is obviously in denial. Your brother can not refute your claims so he simply mocks you. Give it time and the truth will unfold to him.

I have to prove to him because he tell my friend Ricardo and he call me idiot too.  My brother tell my mother that I say earth is flat and she call me stupid.  I love little brother but he try to make me look like fool.

Even though you know the earth is flat, maybe Ricardo, your brother and mother are right about you being an idiot.

Even though you know the earth is flat, maybe Ricardo, your brother and mother are right about you being an idiot.

Maybe you are idiot.you have picture of sheep with six leg. you are idiot.  You think you better because you dont have bother who try to make fool of you.  Ricardo is idiot ad you call me idiot but ypu have stupid picture of sheep wearing boot.

Yes, we have mentioned to him before that sheep don't have 6 legs, but he won't have it.

This is unfortunate. I supposed its more to eat though.

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

Except you don't see flatness at the horizon. You see a drop-off.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on February 05, 2012, 08:57:20 AM

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

Except you don't see flatness at the horizon. You see a drop-off.

I dont see drop or curve. show me picture of drop

He is obviously in denial. Your brother can not refute your claims so he simply mocks you. Give it time and the truth will unfold to him.

Hello. Round earther here.

I wake up every day and see an earth which extends to the horizon. It looks just as flat to me as it does to you (actually, not really, since I have a lot of hills and ridges, but you get my point).

And guess what? I'm not in "denial". I can stare you in the eye, and say fifty times over that "The earth looks flat. The earth looks flat. The earth looks flat. The earth looks flat." with complete and utter confidence and security that it is, in fact, round.


You directly conflict yourself when you say that since the earth looks flat, it must therefore be flat.

Because,


If you intend to follow your logic that "it looks that way, and so it must be", then you must admit that this is a picture of a round earth.

It is indeed a picture of a round earth. Your point?

It is indeed a picture of a round earth. Your point?

My point is, it certainly looks like a picture of a round earth (it most certainly IS one). However, he, and many other FE'ers believe it is not. It just LOOKS that way, say they. So, clearly then, the argument that "it looks that way, and so it must be" cannot be honestly used by a FE'er. Which he is using in this thread, to say that the earth is flat. Since it looks that way. Which it does. But it's still round.

No, they don't say "it just LOOKS that way" when one of you posts a picture as proof. You should really lurk moar.... Or I could just tell you that pictures aren't proof, and you should read the FAQs. 

No, they don't say "it just LOOKS that way" when one of you posts a picture as proof. You should really lurk moar.... Or I could just tell you that pictures aren't proof, and you should read the FAQs.

No, YOU need to pay attention.

It's rather rude of you to jump in and take sides without even knowing what is going on. Allow me to share with you what has been taking place on this thread.

1:

How can I prove to brother that earth is flat because I tell him and he call me idiot.

2:

Tell him to look to the horizon and see the flatness.

So. According to this flat earther, the fact that earth appears to be flat is enough to prove that it is flat.

However, I have something that looks uncannily like a picture of a round earth. Therefore, by this flat earthers same reasoning, I must really have a picture of a round earth since it looks like one.

Now, when round earthers like I post pictures of a round earth, flat earthers tend to say that "Oh no! That isn't really a picture of a round earth. That is simply a fake picture that LOOKS like a round earth."

So then, clearly, flat earthers realize that appearances can be deceiving.

It's rude of me to post in a thread on a forum I'm a member of? Wow, haven't been told that before! Angry noobs are so fun.



I just proved Naboo is round!

What you say I said:

It's rude of me to post in a thread on a forum I'm a member of

What I said:

It's rather rude of you to jump in and take sides without even knowing what is going on.

You are already destroying your credibility by twisting my words...

Angry noobs are so fun

...and insulting me.

I just proved Naboo is round!

Of course you did not. Because that's a fake picture. After all, like I said in my last post (which you very obviously read):

appearances can be deceiving.

Now, let me give this one last shot:

If a picture cannot prove that earth is round, since it is not really a picture of a round earth (but only looks like one), then neither can the fact that the earth looks flat prove that it is actually flat.

Appearances can be deceiving.

you dont get photoshoped vision though either

You are easily insulted. Perhaps you should relax for a minute and catch your breath. Feel better?

Images one posts on the internet can be manipulated. It's not the same as viewing the horizon with your eyes. Your argument is silly. 


EDIT: Thank you squevil (FIGHT THE EVIL).

you dont get photoshoped vision though either

No, but the point is, appearance is not valid proof. The fact that it appears to be a picture of earth does not prove that it is one. The fact that it appears to be a picture of naboo does not prove that it is one.

And some real life examples:

-The fact that matter appears to be continuous does not mean it is continuous. It isn't. It's made of atoms and molecules.

-The fact that the sky appears to be blue does not mean that it is blue. It isn't. It's made of transparent gas which is colored blue by sun rays.

Images one posts on the internet can be manipulated. It's not the same as viewing the horizon with your eyes. Your argument is silly. 

Yes. Yes, they can. And your senses can be easily distorted by perspective.

The entire point is, things aren't always what they appear to be. There are factors at play that can trick you. Like photoshop. Or, in the case of a round earth, a very very large circumference which makes it appear flat to the observer.

You are easily insulted.

I am especially insulted when people twist what I say, and I won't stand for it. Debate is meaningless if people debate an imaginary person.

You really should lurk and read the FAQs, that isn't being rude. Maybe you could even debate the flat side

Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident enough not to try and invalidate every single thing that flat earthers say. When they say, for example, that pictures do not prove a round earth, they are quite correct. That is sound logic, and good science.

I am only trying to show them that their own logic defeats what they say. If appearances do not prove a round earth, neither do they prove a flat one.

Yes. Yes, they can. And your senses can be easily distorted by perspective.

The entire point is, things aren't always what they appear to be. There are factors at play that can trick you. Like photoshop. Or, in the case of a round earth, a very very large circumference which makes it appear flat to the observer.

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You are easily insulted.

Based upon the alleged circumference,  visible curvature should not be a problem at many vantage points.  The bedford canal experiments demonstrate the abscence of curvature quite well.  Perhaps you should review the notes yourself.  That book has changed many lives.

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Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident enough not to try and invalidate every single thing that flat earthers say. When they say, for example, that pictures do not prove a round earth, they are quite correct. That is sound logic, and good science.

I am only trying to show them that their own logic defeats what they say. If appearances do not prove a round earth, neither do they prove a flat one.

I'm talking about you taking the flat side in the debate, joining the flat earthers. There are plenty of angry RE'ers, they dominate every thread. Join the flat side. 

Based upon the alleged circumference,  visible curvature should not be a problem at many vantage points.  The bedford canal experiments demonstrate the abscence of curvature quite well.  Perhaps you should review the notes yourself.  That book has changed many lives.

Yes, visible curvature is no problem at many vantage points.

And I suggest you read about that experiment. It's an old one, and has been explained without any problems.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl

Maybe you could even debate the flat side

I'm confident enough not to try and invalidate every single thing that flat earthers say. When they say, for example, that pictures do not prove a round earth, they are quite correct. That is sound logic, and good science.

I am only trying to show them that their own logic defeats what they say. If appearances do not prove a round earth, neither do they prove a flat one.

The popular phrase, "it looks flat to me" used by many FE advocates stems from the employment of zeteticism in the process of making conclusions based upon inquiry and observation.  Being skeptic and finding things out for oneself through sound zetetic inquiry and observation.  There have been many experiments conducted which demonstrate the abscence of said curvature. 

Quote from: Archibald on February 05, 2012, 04:57:19 PM

Based upon the alleged circumference,  visible curvature should not be a problem at many vantage points.  The bedford canal experiments demonstrate the abscence of curvature quite well.  Perhaps you should review the notes yourself.  That book has changed many lives.

Yes, visible curvature is no problem at many vantage points.

And I suggest you read about that experiment. It's an old one, and has been explained without any problems.

Are you familiar with the allegations of those later results?

Noogah keeps sending me sexy PMs, as if that is proof of the shape of the earth!

No one says that "it looks flat to me" proves anything. Just as a shopped picture doesn't prove the earth is round.

The popular phrase, "it looks flat to me" used by many FE advocates stems from the employment of zeteticism in the process of making conclusions based upon inquiry and observation.  Being skeptic and finding things out for oneself through sound zetetic inquiry and observation.  There have been many experiments conducted which demonstrate the abscence of said curvature.

Equally many (and many many many more) have proved the earth's curvature, and enough people have destroyed the claims of flat earther's experiments.

You speak some gallant words about these "zetecists", but from what I can see, they aren't skeptic at all.
What they do (and this is not anger; this is the truth) is find the data which supports what they believe about the earth, and throw everything away or dismiss them with half baked speculations and accusations.

Are you familiar with the allegations of those later results?

No, but of course I didn't assume that the debate was over. Of course flat earthers disagree with the results. Otherwise there wouldn't be anymore flat earthers.

No one says that "it looks flat to me" proves anything.

Um, yes, somebody does. Hence why all this is happening.

He did not say the flatness proves anything. Seeing the flatness is the starting point. Also, I'm sure Raymondo is another character someone has cooked up to try and make the FES look silly. We get those all the time.