Iran's nuclear programs

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Iran's nuclear programs
« on: February 03, 2012, 09:04:24 PM »
I'm surprised no one's talking about this.

Do you think Iran is making nuclear weapons? Should they not be allowed to have nuclear weapons? Is a preemptive strike against its facilities a good idea?

Discuss.

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 09:06:14 PM »
Yes. No. Yes.
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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 09:08:05 PM »
Why should Iran not have the right to have a nuclear weapon?

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 09:10:13 PM »
They have threatened other nations and otherwise can't be trusted.
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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 09:11:57 PM »
But other nations have been threatening Iran. At this point it's hard to say who started it, but I would say that Iran has the right to feel threatened considering they're completely surrounded by western military bases which are ready to strike at any moment.

Iran saw what happened to it's neighbor, and as far as I know, it's simply trying to deter attacks by having nukes.
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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 09:18:45 PM »
There is no reason to allow a nation to acquire a weapon capable of destroying entire cities.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 09:20:34 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 09:22:20 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

When you're considering an area of countries that have been known to not think their actions through too thoroughly, then what you stated is simply false.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 09:24:26 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

When you're considering an area of countries that have been known to not think their actions through too thoroughly, then what you stated is simply false.

Then the US should not have nukes.

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 09:25:48 PM »
I'm surprised no one's talking about this.

Do you think Iran is making nuclear weapons? Should they not be allowed to have nuclear weapons? Is a preemptive strike against its facilities a good idea?

Discuss.
Yes.
No.
No.

Yes because even if they don't use it directly, they can give it to people who would use it and thus be able to say "Oh, such a shame that Israel blew up.  But nothing WE did...."
No because they'd likely give/have stolen their work by some third party.  Also, they signed an agreement to NOT make nukes.
No because it makes us look like the bad guy.
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Rushy

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 09:26:37 PM »
Then the US should not have nukes.

Irrelevant to whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 09:29:49 PM »
Then the US should not have nukes.

Irrelevant to whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.

Just because a nation has made irresponsible choices in the past does not mean they are willing to commit nuclear Armageddon.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 09:33:39 PM »
Then the US should not have nukes.

Irrelevant to whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.

Just because a nation has made irresponsible choices in the past does not mean they are willing to commit nuclear Armageddon.

It is enough to illicit restrictions on said nation. It is illegal for felons to own firearms. Likewise, Iran should not have nuclear weapons.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 09:39:27 PM »
Israel has no restrictions, and it's had an extremely offensive military history since its creation.

Iran has fought just one war of defence. They've also supported the Turks in getting rid of the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War.

Iran has also signed the nuclear proliferation treaty.
 
Having a nuke is not the same as having a gun.

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 04:42:38 AM »
Israel has no restrictions, and it's had an extremely offensive military history since its creation.

Iran has fought just one war of defence. They've also supported the Turks in getting rid of the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War.

Iran has also signed the nuclear proliferation treaty.
 
Having a nuke is not the same as having a gun.

No, you don't wipe out thousands of people in seconds with a gun.

I'm more concerned about Ran letting any nuclear weapons it develops fall into the wrong hands than in them deploying them directly.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 12:21:51 PM »
Israel has no restrictions, and it's had an extremely offensive military history since its creation.

Iran has fought just one war of defence. They've also supported the Turks in getting rid of the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War.

Iran has also signed the nuclear proliferation treaty.
 
Having a nuke is not the same as having a gun.

No, you don't wipe out thousands of people in seconds with a gun.

I'm more concerned about Ran letting any nuclear weapons it develops fall into the wrong hands than in them deploying them directly.

Assuming that the only reason Iran wants to acquire a nuclear weapon is to deter attacks on them, why would they give their nukes away?

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

When you're considering an area of countries that have been known to not think their actions through too thoroughly, then what you stated is simply false.

Then the US should not have nukes.

No one should have nukes, Areweonfiya. Unfortunately we've already opened Pandora's Box. I remember a statement by Ahmadinejad a year or two ago saying that he was going to nuke Israel. I don't think he can be trusted. No, Iran shouldn't have nukes.

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 12:45:07 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

When you're considering an area of countries that have been known to not think their actions through too thoroughly, then what you stated is simply false.

Then the US should not have nukes.

No one should have nukes, Areweonfiya. Unfortunately we've already opened Pandora's Box. I remember a statement by Ahmadinejad a year or two ago saying that he was going to nuke Israel. I don't think he can be trusted. No, Iran shouldn't have nukes.

What about when the aliens invade?  I think Nukes may be our only hope.
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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2012, 01:13:34 PM »
>2012
>people still think a country would be stupid enough to actually use a nuke
>people still don't realize what a nuke represents in reality

When you're considering an area of countries that have been known to not think their actions through too thoroughly, then what you stated is simply false.

Then the US should not have nukes.

No one should have nukes, Areweonfiya. Unfortunately we've already opened Pandora's Box. I remember a statement by Ahmadinejad a year or two ago saying that he was going to nuke Israel. I don't think he can be trusted. No, Iran shouldn't have nukes.

What about when the aliens invade?  I think Nukes may be our only hope.

The United States can probably handle it just fine. Iran has shit technology.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 08:08:22 PM »
Why the fuck would Ahmedinejad say he wants to nuke israel when he's been denying having them?

I think you're referring to the whole "wipe Israel off the map" thing, which he never actually said. That's the media spoonfeeding you blatant lies.

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2012, 11:43:36 PM »
What about when the aliens invade?  I think Nukes may be our only hope.

And what if the aliens invade because of our nukes? I don't want these guys showing up to ruin our shit.



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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2012, 12:11:58 AM »
UNITED STATES AND UNITED KINGDOM SHOULD

DISMATLE AND ERASE ALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS

BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THEY CANT HAVE ANY

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2012, 11:01:21 AM »
>b-b-but Iran says they want to nuke Israel off the map!


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Rushy

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2012, 11:26:18 AM »
>b-b-but Iran says they want to nuke Israel off the map!



The only thing you could find was a cheesy, biased video? Did google not turn anything up for you to link farm? Your train of thought seems to be some kind of conglomeration of other people's terrible opinions. Do you not think or argue for yourself?

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2012, 12:15:17 PM »
And what if the aliens invade because of our nukes? I don't want these guys showing up to ruin our shit.

A species with enough scientific progression to master space travel will have no problem dealing with our nukes.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2012, 01:20:44 PM »
I remember a statement by Ahmadinejad a year or two ago saying that he was going to nuke Israel.

Then you remember wrong because that never happened

There is still a lack of evidence that Iran is even looking to make a nuke.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2012, 02:00:53 PM »
And what if the aliens invade because of our nukes? I don't want these guys showing up to ruin our shit.

A species with enough scientific progression to master space travel will have no problem dealing with our nukes.

That is an assumption that technological progress in one area equals progression in all areas. Just because they can travel very far doesn't mean they retain mega shields that withstand nukes. Worst comes to worst, we fly one of their own ships in with a nuke attached and some kind of magical virus that affects alien computer systems. See: Independence Day.

Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2012, 02:03:43 PM »
>b-b-but Iran says they want to nuke Israel off the map!



The only thing you could find was a cheesy, biased video? Did google not turn anything up for you to link farm? Your train of thought seems to be some kind of conglomeration of other people's terrible opinions. Do you not think or argue for yourself?

>biased video

It simply showed how the common quote of "wanting to wipe Israel off the map" is taken out of context.

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Re: Iran's nuclear programs
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2012, 03:02:48 PM »
Eh. If Iran tries anything nuclear, NATO (read: 'Merica and some UK/Israeli support) will turn large swathes of the Iran into glass. When it comes to put up or shut up, they'll back down.
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2012, 04:39:43 AM »
Israel has no restrictions, and it's had an extremely offensive military history since its creation.

Iran has fought just one war of defence. They've also supported the Turks in getting rid of the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War.

Iran has also signed the nuclear proliferation treaty.
 
Having a nuke is not the same as having a gun.

No, you don't wipe out thousands of people in seconds with a gun.

I'm more concerned about Ran letting any nuclear weapons it develops fall into the wrong hands than in them deploying them directly.

Assuming that the only reason Iran wants to acquire a nuclear weapon is to deter attacks on them, why would they give their nukes away?

That's one hell of an assumption.