Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica

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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2012, 05:47:40 PM »
Series of 150 foot ice shelves /= 150 foot wall of ice surrounding the entirety of Antarctica, no matter what you say.

The ice shelves wrap along the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2012, 06:33:36 PM »
Where is it written that I subscribe totally to the ideas contained in ENAG and other models set forth?  I think you have been here long enough to know that the FEers use various theories and models.  Now please stop with all the assumptions, they really don't help your argument.

You're really having trouble following along, aren't you? First you assumed I was saying that I subscribe to the infinite plane model, now you assume I was saying that you subscribe to it. I am not saying either. All I have done here is correct your assertion that the infinite plane model does not include an ice wall. If you are referring to a different model, call it something different.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2012, 07:42:03 PM »
Series of 150 foot ice shelves /= 150 foot wall of ice surrounding the entirety of Antarctica, no matter what you say.

The ice shelves wrap along the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Except for the 56% that isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_ice_shelves
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Ice shelves are attached to 44% of the Antarctic coastline.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2012, 10:11:49 PM »
Series of 150 foot ice shelves /= 150 foot wall of ice surrounding the entirety of Antarctica, no matter what you say.

The ice shelves wrap along the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

FAIL troll is fail.  You do not even bother to look up anything do you?  Why dont you go blabbering on about how Gavin never worked for Grumman again, that went over real well for you(feel free to respond in that thread you disappeared from after getting destroyed). 

Now this ice shelf covering the entire coast of Antarctica is flat out lie, you are either stupid for not doing research, or you are deliberately misleading people, either way its very annoying.

Not to mention that as a zetetic you seem very willing to believe that all of Antarctica's coasts are covered in ice shelves even though you have never been there, or apparently never even looked up what the percentage was.

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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2012, 10:24:58 PM »
You do not even bother to look up anything do you?  Why dont you go blabbering on about how Gavin never worked for Grumman again, that went over real well for you(feel free to respond in that thread you disappeared from after getting destroyed).

Or how about the one where he said UCSD's lunar laser ranging software was programmed by Jim and Dale from NASA. That one went over hilariously.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2012, 12:00:31 AM »
Series of 150 foot ice shelves /= 150 foot wall of ice surrounding the entirety of Antarctica, no matter what you say.

The ice shelves wrap along the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Except for the 56% that isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_ice_shelves
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Ice shelves are attached to 44% of the Antarctic coastline.


Your source is wrong, and the image you posted is missing many ice shelves


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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2012, 12:16:44 AM »
Series of 150 foot ice shelves /= 150 foot wall of ice surrounding the entirety of Antarctica, no matter what you say.

The ice shelves wrap along the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Except for the 56% that isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_ice_shelves
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Ice shelves are attached to 44% of the Antarctic coastline.


Your source is wrong, and the image you posted is missing many ice shelves



"entirety"

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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2012, 06:28:57 AM »
Your source is wrong, and the image you posted is missing many ice shelves



Your map doesn't show ice shelves along 100% of the Antarctic coast either.  So thanks for admitting that your claim about the ice wall surrounding the entirety of Antarctica is wrong.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2012, 08:07:31 AM »
From earlier in this thread:

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The Ice Wall is a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds nearly the entirety of the Antarctic coast. There is no "greater" Ice Wall.

Also,

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Ice_Wall

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The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.

There are also Ice Shelves not illustrated on the map I linked. See the Wiki article for a full list of shelves.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2012, 08:34:10 AM »
From earlier in this thread:

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The Ice Wall is a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds nearly the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Tom, as I pointed out before, the ice shelves surround 44% of the Antarctic coast.  Even the map that you provided supports this assertion.  How does less than half qualify as anything remotely resembling "nearly the entirety of"?  ???
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2012, 11:02:37 AM »
Presumably Tom thinks penguins don't exist, as they need to be able to get in and out of the water to breed.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2012, 12:06:29 PM »
From earlier in this thread:

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The Ice Wall is a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds nearly the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Tom, as I pointed out before, the ice shelves surround 44% of the Antarctic coast.  Even the map that you provided supports this assertion.  How does less than half qualify as anything remotely resembling "nearly the entirety of"?  ???

As I said, even my map does not show all of the Ice Shelf segments. Please see the wiki link for a full listing of Ice Shelves. Less than half of the ones listed are even depicted on the map.

You can verify they exist by google searching, for example, "Publications Ice Shelf" or "Moscow University Ice Shelf." These shelves appear on neither your map or my map.

Presumably Tom thinks penguins don't exist, as they need to be able to get in and out of the water to breed.

There are occasionally slopes on the Ice Wall. Watch a documentary on penguins, or March of the Penguins. You can see the 150 foot ice wall along the coast of Antarctica.







Penguins spend most of their time on the narrow area of land between the wall and the water.

Here's a slope area where they come up.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2012, 12:40:42 PM »
From earlier in this thread:

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The Ice Wall is a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds nearly the entirety of the Antarctic coast.

Tom, as I pointed out before, the ice shelves surround 44% of the Antarctic coast.  Even the map that you provided supports this assertion.  How does less than half qualify as anything remotely resembling "nearly the entirety of"?  ???

As I said, even my picture does not show all of the Ice Shelf segments. Please see the wiki link for a full listing of Ice Shelves. Less than half of the ones listed are even depicted on the map.

You can verify they exist by google searching, for example, "Publications Ice Shelf" or "Moscow University Ice Shelf." These shelves appear on neither your map or my map.

The reason that those ice shelves are not depicted on either map is because they are not of any significant size compared to the ice shelves that are depicted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publications_Ice_Shelf
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Publications Ice Shelf (69°38′S 75°20′E / 69.633°S 75.333°E / -69.633; 75.333Coordinates: 69°38′S 75°20′E / 69.633°S 75.333°E / -69.633; 75.333) is an ice shelf about 35 nautical miles (60 km) long on the south shore of Prydz Bay, between Mount Caroline Mikkelsen and Stornes Peninsula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_University_Ice_Shelf
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Moscow University Ice Shelf (67°0′S 121°0′E / 67°S 121°E / -67; 121Coordinates: 67°0′S 121°0′E / 67°S 121°E / -67; 121) is a narrow ice shelf, about 120 miles (193 km) long, which fringes Sabrina Coast between Totten Glacier and Paulding Bay.

By the way, I don't see you refuting Wikipedia's assertion that all of the Antarctic ice shelves only cover a total of 44% of the Antarctic coast.  Would you care to actually provide some data to refute that claim or would you rather concede?
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2012, 12:57:23 PM »
A lot of the listed shelves don't even have distances associated with them. I doubt that they were fully mapped. See Voyeykov, for instance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeykov_Ice_Shelf

There is no distance listed. Neither is there a distance listed in the USGS link in the references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed for this one either. Neither is there a distance listed in the USGS link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillett_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCller_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quar_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

Here's one which is 300 miles long, unlisted on either map.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2012, 01:17:47 PM »
Tom, why are you advertising a lack of data? ???

You claimed "The Ice Wall is a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds nearly the entirety of the Antarctic coast."

By saying this, you're now responsible for two things: First, define your terms (how much is "nearly the entirety"? At least 75%?) Second, you need to provide evidence that matches that definition.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2012, 02:58:42 PM »
A lot of the listed shelves don't even have distances associated with them. I doubt that they were fully mapped. See Voyeykov, for instance.

*sigh*  Tom, why is it that you seem to have such difficulty with simple questions?  Can you provide any evidence that the total percentage of Antarctic coast covered by ice shelves (mapped or unmapped) exceeds 50%?
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2012, 04:40:52 PM »
A lot of the listed shelves don't even have distances associated with them. I doubt that they were fully mapped. See Voyeykov, for instance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeykov_Ice_Shelf

There is no distance listed. Neither is there a distance listed in the USGS link in the references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed for this one either. Neither is there a distance listed in the USGS link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillett_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCller_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quar_Ice_Shelf

No distance listed.

Here's one which is 300 miles long, unlisted on either map.

I think it's hilarious that you are complaining that Wikipedia does not contain full and precise data about every Antarctic ice shelf. It's written by members of the public, not Rand McNally, you obtuse moron.
I can give you a list of 100 other Wikipedia pages that have stuff missing. It doesn't mean that data doesn't exist somewhere else.
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2012, 04:54:30 PM »
I think it's hilarious that you are complaining that Wikipedia does not contain full and precise data about every Antarctic ice shelf. It's written by members of the public, not Rand McNally, you obtuse moron.

This brain is a stub. You can help Tom Bishop by expanding it.


I also like how even Tom's wikipedia sources contradict his conclusion ("I doubt that they were fully mapped"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_Ice_Shelf
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The entire ice shelf was then mapped and named in association with Edward VIII Bay.


Also noteworthy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCller_Ice_Shelf
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It collapsed "recently" (as of late March 2008)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_Ice_Shelf
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The shelf was stable between 1947 and 1969. It started to retreat in the 1970s and by 2003 had completely disappeared.

...What's Tom trying to prove again? ;D
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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2012, 09:36:35 AM »
according to Tom, the mythical Ice Wall does not hold back the water, it is the land beneath,
so the ice wall isnt needed at all.

the peninsula of Florida is not more than a few few in height in places and it does a fine job at holding back water.

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Re: Woman sets world record crossing Antarctica
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2012, 02:51:04 PM »
This brain is a stub. You can help Tom Bishop by expanding it.

Best quote on the entire forum ever!!  ;D
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