Why is north pole centre of FE and not south

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Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« on: January 22, 2012, 03:53:54 PM »
Hi I'm new and I have read FAQ and had a look through the forums and I have a couple of questions.

1. Why is centre of flat earth the north pole and not the south pole? Is there any proof either way?

2. If the earth is flat why can't you FEers produce a map without distortion? If the earth was flat it would be possible to project a map perfectly on a flat piece of paper.

Sorry if these questions have been asked before I couldn't find them. If so could you please link them for me.
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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 04:12:34 PM »
We civilized folk in the north know that the north pole exists. On a clear and chilly day it is possible to see it from Canada with a good telescope. On the other hand, everyone who lives in the southern hemisphere is a backwards simpleton. They don't have the means to look up and observe star patterns let alone try to cross the south pole to see if it exists. Conclusion: It probably doesn't exist.

Whenever True Zetetics try to visit the south, the men in black tell them to turn around and go home.
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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 04:20:46 PM »
If you look at all northern hemidisc civilizations and then look at all southern hemidisc "civilizations," you'll find that the north must be the center of the universe, for we northerners are gifted with vast intelligence superior to that of any southern hemidisc occupant.

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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 04:59:16 PM »
Of course that explains it all I forgot all people who live south of equator are either too busy chucking spears at local wildlife, are a bunch of convicts deported from northern civilisations (that is the correct spelling as I'm English and comes from Latin not Greek and therefore should be spelled with an s, not that I'm bothered about spelling or grammar) and are busy robbing each other or descended from Spanish and Amerindians and too lazy to do anything.

Why is it so hard to project flat earth onto flat paper?
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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 05:01:53 PM »
novaguy, you may want to learn to differentiate between shitty trolls and serious posters.

The map question has been done to death. I'm sorry, but I just don't have the patience to answer it now. Maybe I'll come back later, maybe I won't. Wouldn't count on it.

As for north vs south-centric models: Both exist. The FAQ just states a north-centric model as the most commonly agreed upon one. However, there are models that set the South as the centre, and some of them even do both!
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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 05:21:35 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.
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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 05:23:40 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

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Thork

Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 05:26:06 PM »
Its 1:30am here so I'm only going to give you a brief answer.

The South Pole (Antarctica) is a continent. The north pole isn't. The icewall that keeps the sea from spilling over the edge must therefore be on solid rock else the sea would spill out from underneath. So a very basic explanation why we know the South pole must be the rim and the north pole must be the middle.

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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 05:37:49 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.
There's no point arguing with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 05:38:51 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

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zarg

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 05:43:47 PM »
Its 1:30am here so I'm only going to give you a brief answer.

The South Pole (Antarctica) is a continent. The north pole isn't. The icewall that keeps the sea from spilling over the edge must therefore be on solid rock else the sea would spill out from underneath. So a very basic explanation why we know the South pole must be the rim and the north pole must be the middle.

You can take any point on any land mass and make an azimuthal projection based on the opposite point from it on a globe (which would then be your Center Of The Universe), and the result would be a disc map with a surrounding wall of solid rock.

Why must it be a pole?
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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 05:53:25 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

So Australia is wider than Asia and North America?
There's no point arguing with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Rushy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 06:00:19 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

So Australia is wider than Asia and North America?

By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.

Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 06:47:17 PM »
By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.
That's really lame. Please do try harder. Defeating FEDAs' points is just getting too easy.
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Rushy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 06:53:16 PM »
By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.
That's really lame. Please do try harder. Defeating FEDAs' points is just getting too easy.

If you don't have anything to post I suggest not posting at all.

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 08:29:21 PM »
Hi I'm new and I have read FAQ and had a look through the forums and I have a couple of questions.

1. Why is centre of flat earth the north pole and not the south pole? Is there any proof either way?

2. If the earth is flat why can't you FEers produce a map without distortion? If the earth was flat it would be possible to project a map perfectly on a flat piece of paper.

Sorry if these questions have been asked before I couldn't find them. If so could you please link them for me.

the FES comes from the northern hemiplane in genral and most observations taken from the north shows that the north is the center. take for example long expsoure photos that show the stars rotating around the north pole. im sure there would be many more that an experienced flatty could tell you.

as for the map, the reason why there isnt one is because there isnt! the FES does not have the funds to create such a thing and photos from satalites should be dismissed too. so the FES would have to take cartographers* (spelling?) with instruments and make maps based on real life observations. it would cost millions and they do not have the man power. so as everybody knows of the main land masses the FES use a flattened out version of the globe to help explain the detail. it is not litterally used as a map because oit is not accurate. but it still fits it purpose. the only thing that cant truely be agreed on is the south pole. is it an icewall (i wouldnt think so) or is it a continent? you will find both maps easily on the forums.

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 11:06:52 PM »
Why must it be a pole?
It doesn't have to be a pole.

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 04:34:29 AM »
Hi I'm new and I have read FAQ and had a look through the forums and I have a couple of questions.

1. Why is centre of flat earth the north pole and not the south pole? Is there any proof either way?

2. If the earth is flat why can't you FEers produce a map without distortion? If the earth was flat it would be possible to project a map perfectly on a flat piece of paper.

Sorry if these questions have been asked before I couldn't find them. If so could you please link them for me.

the FES comes from the northern hemiplane in genral and most observations taken from the north shows that the north is the center. take for example long expsoure photos that show the stars rotating around the north pole. im sure there would be many more that an experienced flatty could tell you.

as for the map, the reason why there isnt one is because there isnt! the FES does not have the funds to create such a thing and photos from satalites should be dismissed too. so the FES would have to take cartographers* (spelling?) with instruments and make maps based on real life observations. it would cost millions and they do not have the man power. so as everybody knows of the main land masses the FES use a flattened out version of the globe to help explain the detail. it is not litterally used as a map because oit is not accurate. but it still fits it purpose. the only thing that cant truely be agreed on is the south pole. is it an icewall (i wouldnt think so) or is it a continent? you will find both maps easily on the forums.

You are right, it is not plausible for any of us to actually measure distances to every point on the Earth in order to get first hand observations in order to get a map that only the people who took the measurement can truly trust.  However, people have been navigating across the Earth for thousands of years and a lot of data is available.  If ancient mariners could accurately navigate from one point to another in a given amount of time, then should we not take this into consideration?  If they said that point A is X distance from point B based on many voyages from many individuals, then I would say that there must be some fact in the data. 

I am not saying that ancient maps were entirely accurate, but they do show us a more conventional view shapes and distances of the land masses than any of the FE maps I have seen so far, based on the RET understanding of the world that is.  Especially for the southern hemisphere.

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 09:55:01 AM »
Its 1:30am here so I'm only going to give you a brief answer.

The South Pole (Antarctica) is a continent. The north pole isn't. The icewall that keeps the sea from spilling over the edge must therefore be on solid rock else the sea would spill out from underneath. So a very basic explanation why we know the South pole must be the rim and the north pole must be the middle.

This is a circularfallacy, resting on the assertion that you know what's at the north pole. You would only know what's at the north pole if it was not the rim. Since the ice wall has never been seen, there is no evidence that the ice wall is not at the north pole and there is a rock layer underneath it. If the north was really the rim, how do you know it's just water under there since you guys claim nobody has been as far as the rim? You don't. How very zetetic of you.
In summary: we know the north is not the rim because we know what's there: we know what's there because it's not the rim.
You can take the exact same argument and substitute the word "south", if you like.
To summarise the summary: Thick is unable to defend the reason that they put north in the centre.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 09:57:59 AM by The Knowledge »
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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 01:51:29 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

So Australia is wider than Asia and North America?

By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.

If my eyes are playing tricks on me (I thought zetetics put more faith in what there eyes tells them over other evidence) due to relatively large oceans how come when you print out map and cut out Australia and remove from oceans and place on top of Asia it still looks bigger.

There's no point arguing with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 02:01:14 PM »
Why must it be a pole?
It doesn't have to be a pole.



That map looks to be centred around north pole to me unless my eyes are playing tricks on me again.
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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 02:52:24 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

So Australia is wider than Asia and North America?

By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.

If my eyes are playing tricks on me (I thought zetetics put more faith in what there eyes tells them over other evidence) due to relatively large oceans how come when you print out map and cut out Australia and remove from oceans and place on top of Asia it still looks bigger.

Your printer didn't scale the page correctly.

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novaguy

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Re: Why is north pole centre of FE and not south
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 03:00:44 PM »
I know the map question has been done to death but I still can't see why flat earth projections are distorted. If you don't want to explain again why not point me in direction of something that explains it best and I'll be glad to read it. With regards to centricity is there any evidence that proves or disproves either model.

I don't believe in Internet trolls or IRL trolls, only people who can't take a joke. Although I did see one of those shitty trolls in the movie dogma or was that a shit demon. I can't remember.

Describe this magical distortion you are seeing and we could more easily address it. Your purposeful vagueness only makes you look incompetent.

Sorry for my vagueness I thought it was obvious that FE projections makes northern land masses narrower and southern ones wider than they are in reality.

The oceans are that size in reality. It does not distort land masses.

So Australia is wider than Asia and North America?

By "it does not distort land masses" I meant the shape of the land masses in FET is the same as they are in RET. What you're seeing as a much bigger Austrailia on the map is simply your eyes playing tricks on you due to the relatively large oceans.

If my eyes are playing tricks on me (I thought zetetics put more faith in what there eyes tells them over other evidence) due to relatively large oceans how come when you print out map and cut out Australia and remove from oceans and place on top of Asia it still looks bigger.

Your printer didn't scale the page correctly.

I can assure you it was scaled correctly. Anyone can repeat this test. Maybe you can get a FE believer, a RE believer and an undecided together to repeat test and eliminate bias but you will find the results to be the same
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