IT certifications

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General Disarray

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IT certifications
« on: January 15, 2012, 08:26:17 PM »
I would like to get a few certifications in the near future, namely CompTIA A+ and Network+ and/or Cisco CCENT/CCNA.

I just want to know what is the best way to study for these exams, if anyone else has these certs. My company provides access to the CBTNuggets courses for these exams and I have viewed them all, but I don't find them particularly helpful, because they are boring as hell, and I don't think they would be the most useful for my time.

Anyone have any recommendations?
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 08:42:27 PM »
The A+ exam changes every few years.  I suggest picking up a study book for the most recent version at your local book store.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 08:48:21 PM »
I'm looking for specifics here. I can do a google search as well as anyone. Upon a cursory search, I can only find material as recent as 2009.

The reason I am panicking is because several people in my department have recently quit for better paying jobs. When asked about this recent exodus, my department's VP just said "there's no problem, the people who stayed here will pick up the slack".

In roughly 6 months, I will be looking for a better job, and I want the qualifications to get it. If anyone can help, I will greatly appreciate it.

I am absolutely willing to learn Lunix, as I have ample VM capabilities on my current machine, I just have no idea of what I would need to know in the professional IT field.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 09:06:11 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/CompTIA-Certification-Seventh-220-701-220-702/dp/0071701338

That is the book I personally used in November of 2010 to study for the A+ exam.

I then used CompTIA's website to find an exam.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 09:07:50 PM »
Some employers accept relevant work experience in lieu of basic certification.  I worked in IT for a bunch of years with out ever getting any formal certification and never had any issues.  However, your mileage may vary.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 09:10:30 PM »
I would prefer to make myself as attractive as possible. I can imagine that work experience + certifications is pretty good for a candidate.

I mean I already have a job, I just want a better one.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 11:54:13 PM »
Anyone have any recommendations?

Learn stuff that's actually useful instead of wasting time chasing bullshit "certifications".

In roughly 6 months, I will be looking for a better job, and I want the qualifications to get it. If anyone can help, I will greatly appreciate it.

I got a reasonably well-paying job doing stuff I enjoy in a great work environment, and all I had to back up my skills beyond graduating high school was a passion for computers and a few contributions to open-source software. Granted, I spent a year doing level 1 support before I was able to move up the ladder a bit, but I took the job knowing that there was room to move up.

If you know what you're doing, you don't need certifications. If you don't know what you're doing, no certification will save you.

I am absolutely willing to learn Lunix, as I have ample VM capabilities on my current machine,

If you're only willing to learn Unix, you're going to have a very hard time keeping up. There are those of us who use Unix all the time because we enjoy it, and as a natural result of that we learn new things about it; and then there are those who use it because they think they need to know it in order to get a good job. You strike me as the latter type, and being "willing" to learn to use it reinforces that impression.

I just have no idea of what I would need to know in the professional IT field.

Irrelevant. This thread is about IT certifications, which have absolutely nothing to do with what you know or don't know.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 11:57:30 PM »
Anyone have any recommendations?

Learn stuff that's actually useful instead of wasting time chasing bullshit "certifications".

In roughly 6 months, I will be looking for a better job, and I want the qualifications to get it. If anyone can help, I will greatly appreciate it.

I got a reasonably well-paying job doing stuff I enjoy in a great work environment, and all I had to back up my skills beyond graduating high school was a passion for computers and a few contributions to open-source software. Granted, I spent a year doing level 1 support before I was able to move up the ladder a bit, but I took the job knowing that there was room to move up.

If you know what you're doing, you don't need certifications. If you don't know what you're doing, no certification will save you.

I am absolutely willing to learn Lunix, as I have ample VM capabilities on my current machine,

If you're only willing to learn Unix, you're going to have a very hard time keeping up. There are those of us who use Unix all the time because we enjoy it, and as a natural result of that we learn new things about it; and then there are those who use it because they think they need to know it in order to get a good job. You strike me as the latter type, and being "willing" to learn to use it reinforces that impression.

I just have no idea of what I would need to know in the professional IT field.

Irrelevant. This thread is about IT certifications, which have absolutely nothing to do with what you know or don't know.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 12:12:53 AM »
Do you just really enjoy making people hate you?

That is my opinion on the matter. Take it or leave it; I really don't care.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 06:00:15 AM »
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 06:51:27 AM »
School I went to last year used this company's online course program: http://www.testout.com/  It's a bit pricey, but may cost you less than taking an actual course.

TestOut's Labsim is pretty decent; I did the A+ course and the WinXP Admin course.  Some stuff is boring, but it was all mostly boring anyway because I knew 80% of the material already.  Passed both tests with decent scores, so take that how you wish.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 11:03:38 AM »
Although clumsily, Parsifal makes a valid point. Are you a boyscout or an IT professional? This sounds like collecting badges. Not gathering useful skills. Education is a commercial product and there are a fair few crap products on the market. When someone tells you they are a "Microsoft Certified Professional" do you think "oooo, wow" or do you think "So you can use windows. Well done. ::)"

There is a world of difference between these badges and qualifications. If you are going to invest time, I'd look to get a qualification.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »
You guys aren't thinking like HR people, you're thinking like computer people. This is the flaw.

HR and administration in general probably doesn't know a serial port from a floppy drive. Being able to say "oh I've been repairing PCs since Dos 2.0 came out" is worthless. Especially if you can't prove it on a piece of paper (resume).

To get that first job you either need connections or a piece of paper that tells managers and administrators that you know your stuff.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 02:06:54 PM »
Although clumsily, Parsifal makes a valid point. Are you a boyscout or an IT professional? This sounds like collecting badges. Not gathering useful skills. Education is a commercial product and there are a fair few crap products on the market. When someone tells you they are a "Microsoft Certified Professional" do you think "oooo, wow" or do you think "So you can use windows. Well done. ::)"

There is a world of difference between these badges and qualifications. If you are going to invest time, I'd look to get a qualification.

The difference between certifications and qualifications is the amount of time wasted getting them.

You guys aren't thinking like HR people, you're thinking like computer people. This is the flaw.

HR and administration in general probably doesn't know a serial port from a floppy drive. Being able to say "oh I've been repairing PCs since Dos 2.0 came out" is worthless. Especially if you can't prove it on a piece of paper (resume).

To get that first job you either need connections or a piece of paper that tells managers and administrators that you know your stuff.

Or an employer that's not dumb enough to hire people who know nothing about the job to interview candidates.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 02:15:49 PM »
You guys aren't thinking like HR people, you're thinking like computer people. This is the flaw.

HR and administration in general probably doesn't know a serial port from a floppy drive. Being able to say "oh I've been repairing PCs since Dos 2.0 came out" is worthless. Especially if you can't prove it on a piece of paper (resume).

To get that first job you either need connections or a piece of paper that tells managers and administrators that you know your stuff.

Or an employer that's not dumb enough to hire people who know nothing about the job to interview candidates.
Such places are few and far between. Best to have the paper to impress the stupid, but powerful people.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 02:30:27 PM »
Such places are few and far between. Best to have the paper to impress the stupid, but powerful people.

In both of the two IT interviews I've ever been to, I've been interviewed directly by one of the directors of the company, who knew exactly what the job was about. I suspect this is related to the fact that they were both small, privately owned companies.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 02:34:14 PM »
itt: people completely ignoring the OP request because they don't have any answers, so just starting arguments.

Wait, that's every thread. Carry on.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 02:57:21 PM »
itt: people completely ignoring the OP request because they don't have any answers, so just starting arguments.

Wait, that's every thread. Carry on.
I did not ignore him.  I'm even helping him.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 03:13:04 PM »
itt: people completely ignoring the OP request because they don't have any answers, so just starting arguments.

Wait, that's every thread. Carry on.
I did not ignore him.  I'm even helping him.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 03:46:38 PM »
itt: people completely ignoring the OP request because they don't have any answers, so just starting arguments.

Wait, that's every thread. Carry on.
I did not ignore him.  I'm even helping him.

You are making a mockery of the website, anymore of this insolence and you will be banned.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 03:58:50 PM »
ITT: Karsoa is Gone derails a useful thread by complaining about how it has been derailed.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 04:00:15 PM »
ITT: Karsoa is Gone derails a useful thread by complaining about how it has been derailed.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2012, 05:54:01 PM »
You guys aren't thinking like HR people, you're thinking like computer people. This is the flaw.

HR and administration in general probably doesn't know a serial port from a floppy drive. Being able to say "oh I've been repairing PCs since Dos 2.0 came out" is worthless. Especially if you can't prove it on a piece of paper (resume).

To get that first job you either need connections or a piece of paper that tells managers and administrators that you know your stuff.

Exactly.

I guess Parsifal is just lucky. It would be nice if the whole world worked like he thinks it does, but it just doesn't. (He don't think it be like it is but it do)
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2012, 06:57:29 PM »
One year later, Thork's observation still holds true:

As for this thread it just proves this technical area has no benefit whatsoever. No one ever helps. Its just a place where people who pretend to know about PCs prattle on about morality and how clever they are...[Y]ou are a bunch of dunces. You know nothing. You are all bull-shitters.

GD, I suggest that you try asking IRL friends, or possibly a tech forum.

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 07:56:36 PM »
Yeah, this was not a last resort.
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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 07:43:56 AM »
Put makeup on for you job interview. Works every time.

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Re: IT certifications
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2012, 08:15:01 AM »
No one laughed at my joke the first time, so here's a reminder:
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That's not how it's done, bro.
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