NASA can fake it

Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

Just watch the movie "Godzilla", and then tell me that Japan couldn't fake the tsunami. I dare you.

I was hoping you would say that. Now, explain why it is awful.

The point in the OP was that the realism of the movie shows that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage filmed in space. Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate space travel.

Footage of a dinosaur does not show that Japan could create a massive wave heading toward the shore.

And the tsunami was seen first hand by millions. Many more than who've actually "been to space."

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Quote from: zarg on January 10, 2012, 08:08:01 AM

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on January 10, 2012, 08:26:28 AM

Quote from: zarg on January 10, 2012, 08:08:01 AM

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.

What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Quote from: ClockTower on January 10, 2012, 08:29:19 AM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on January 10, 2012, 08:26:28 AM

Quote from: zarg on January 10, 2012, 08:08:01 AM

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.

What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on January 10, 2012, 08:33:17 AM

Quote from: ClockTower on January 10, 2012, 08:29:19 AM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on January 10, 2012, 08:26:28 AM

Quote from: zarg on January 10, 2012, 08:08:01 AM

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.

What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I would if I'd made any claim. Now, where's your evidence to support your claim?

I don't need it for this. It is well known NASA faked the moon landing.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on January 10, 2012, 08:37:40 AM

I don't need it for this. It is well known NASA faked the moon landing.

I didn't think you could back up your statement. I guess you think wishful thinking is a valid way to make an argument.

The realism of disaster films show that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage of a real disaster. Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate disasters.

My first point was that in the movie they were creating entertainment, and that it doesn't necessarily match what the experts at NASA put forward, but it shows that a space man can be simulated.


Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

No, but they could make you think they sent a rocket to space. And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio. How giant dinosaurs relate to a tsunami I have no fucking clue, and how tsunamis are related to simulated space travel I have no fucking clue.

So can you give us some idea of where the threshold lies? How many people would need to see first-hand evidence of the space program for it to be considered impossible to fake? How small would the population of Japan need to be for it to be considered possible to fake a tsunami?

You couldn't "fake" the deaths of all those people who disappeared, you couldn't "fake" the destruction, and it's unlikely that  ALL of the footage from ALL of those amateur sources could be "faked." NASA, being a single organization COULD fake footage, and could, potentially, create realistic simulators to throw spacemen in, and rockets that can fly out of site and land on some island somewhere.

And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio.

How giant dinosaurs relate to a tsunami I have no fucking clue

and how tsunamis are related to simulated space travel I have no fucking clue.

You couldn't "fake" the deaths of all those people who disappeared, you couldn't "fake" the destruction

and it's unlikely that  ALL of the footage from ALL of those amateur sources could be "faked."

NASA, being a single organization COULD fake footage, and could, potentially, create realistic simulators to throw spacemen in, and rockets that can fly out of site and land on some island somewhere.

Quote from: Sean on January 10, 2012, 08:57:54 AM

And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio.

... So in other words, I'm not missing your point at all. It is, in fact, the same as mine: believable effects can be created for both, but the ability to do so has hardly any bearing on the plausibility of actually faking the event.

Quote from: General Disarray on January 09, 2012, 08:51:43 PM

Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

Suck a movie exists? I've heard of Apollo 13 but not the movie Apollo 18.

Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.