NASA can fake it

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NASA can fake it
« on: January 09, 2012, 08:51:43 PM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 08:58:12 PM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.
Done. NASA couldn't fake the space program.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 11:23:26 PM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

LOL at how stupid this post is.  The only criteria for faking the moon landings was special effects.... just plain lol.

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 03:33:07 AM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.
Suck a movie exists? I've heard of Apollo 13 but not the movie Apollo 18.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 07:05:10 AM »
Just watch the movie "Godzilla", and then tell me that Japan couldn't fake the tsunami. I dare you.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 07:15:11 AM »
Just watch the movie "Godzilla", and then tell me that Japan couldn't fake the tsunami. I dare you.

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This analogy is awful. Try harder.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 07:43:17 AM »
I was hoping you would say that. Now, explain why it is awful.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 07:45:10 AM »
just who is NASA?
the top guy, the top 5? top 10? everyone? even the janitors?
Please define "NASA"

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 07:49:43 AM »
I was hoping you would say that. Now, explain why it is awful.

The point in the OP was that the realism of the movie shows that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage filmed in space (Or even that they were IN SPACE?!) .  Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate space travel. Footage of a dinosaur does not show that Japan could create a massive wave heading toward the shore. And the tsunami was seen first hand by millions. Many more than who've actually "been to space."
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2012, 07:56:15 AM »
hundreds of people have been in space.
were they all duped or lying?


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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 08:08:01 AM »
The point in the OP was that the realism of the movie shows that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage filmed in space. Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate space travel.

The realism of disaster films show that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage of a real disaster. Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate disasters.

Footage of a dinosaur does not show that Japan could create a massive wave heading toward the shore.

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.


And the tsunami was seen first hand by millions. Many more than who've actually "been to space."

So can you give us some idea of where the threshold lies? How many people would need to see first-hand evidence of the space program for it to be considered impossible to fake? How small would the population of Japan need to be for it to be considered possible to fake a tsunami?

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 08:26:28 AM »

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 08:29:19 AM »

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.
What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 08:33:17 AM »

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.
What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 08:36:18 AM »

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.
What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I would if I'd made any claim. Now, where's your evidence to support your claim?
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 08:37:40 AM »

Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

Which is precisely why not many people believe NASA actually went to the moon.
What's the source for your outlandish claim? How many is 'not many' to you?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I would if I'd made any claim. Now, where's your evidence to support your claim?

I don't need it for this. It is well known NASA faked the moon landing.

Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 08:40:08 AM »

I don't need it for this. It is well known NASA faked the moon landing.
I didn't think you could back up your statement. I guess you think wishful thinking is a valid way to make an argument.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 08:42:43 AM »

I don't need it for this. It is well known NASA faked the moon landing.
I didn't think you could back up your statement. I guess you think wishful thinking is a valid way to make an argument.
Your ignorance shows more and more in every post.

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 08:57:54 AM »
The realism of disaster films show that one could be tricked into thinking they were seeing footage of a real disaster. Of course, there may be inconsistencies between the movie and "real life," but it's possible to simulate disasters.

My first point was that in the movie they were creating entertainment, and that it doesn't necessarily match what the experts at NASA put forward, but it shows that a space man can be simulated.


Footage of a space man does not show that NASA could create a rocket that sends people to space.

No, but they could make you think they sent a rocket to space. And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio. How giant dinosaurs relate to a tsunami I have no fucking clue, and how tsunamis are related to simulated space travel I have no fucking clue.

So can you give us some idea of where the threshold lies? How many people would need to see first-hand evidence of the space program for it to be considered impossible to fake? How small would the population of Japan need to be for it to be considered possible to fake a tsunami?

You couldn't "fake" the deaths of all those people who disappeared, you couldn't "fake" the destruction, and it's unlikely that  ALL of the footage from ALL of those amateur sources could be "faked." NASA, being a single organization COULD fake footage, and could, potentially, create realistic simulators to throw spacemen in, and rockets that can fly out of site and land on some island somewhere.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 09:25:16 AM »
anything can be faked. just ask your wife

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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 11:01:30 AM »
And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio.

... So in other words, I'm not missing your point at all. It is, in fact, the same as mine: believable effects can be created for both, but the ability to do so has hardly any bearing on the plausibility of actually faking the event.


How giant dinosaurs relate to a tsunami I have no fucking clue

Godzilla is a well-known Japanese-based disaster film franchise. Godzilla and tsunamis are both forces of destruction that come from the surrounding waters. You really weren't able to make the connection?


and how tsunamis are related to simulated space travel I have no fucking clue.

The logic and reason -- that leads you to not accept the existence of realistic disaster films as evidence that some organization could fool the world into thinking a disaster that never happened did -- is discarded when you consider "simulated space travel".


You couldn't "fake" the deaths of all those people who disappeared, you couldn't "fake" the destruction

Why do deaths and destruction need to be faked? Are you saying Japan doesn't have the technology to cause that without the help of a real natural disaster?


and it's unlikely that  ALL of the footage from ALL of those amateur sources could be "faked."

You mean like all the telescopes viewing equipment left on the moon, amateur satellites, observatories, and even a few amateur space rockets?


NASA, being a single organization COULD fake footage, and could, potentially, create realistic simulators to throw spacemen in, and rockets that can fly out of site and land on some island somewhere.

Since when is it only NASA who's claimed to have gone to space? The Conspiracy is international, don't you remember?

You still haven't answered my question: What's the threshold? How many eyewitnesses must there be before it becomes impossible to believe that something could be faked?
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 11:10:46 AM »
And your missing my point entirely. Special effects in the film show that believable fake footage CAN be created, when it comes to men in space. Special effects can show that a (less, but I'll say somewhat) believable giant dinosaur CAN be created in a studio.

... So in other words, I'm not missing your point at all. It is, in fact, the same as mine: believable effects can be created for both, but the ability to do so has hardly any bearing on the plausibility of actually faking the event.


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Why the hell does the op think the only aspect of faking an event is being able to simulate it in a studio?  That is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard.  Stop trolling.

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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 12:43:52 AM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.
Suck a movie exists? I've heard of Apollo 13 but not the movie Apollo 18.
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Re: NASA can fake it
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2012, 06:20:00 AM »
Just watch the movie "Apollo 18", and then tell me that NASA couldn't fake the space program. I dare you.

How could NASA hide a Saturn V launch from the public?  Those things aren't exactly stealthy.
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