Ron Paul

The problem with Obama is that I don't really know what his plan for the next term is. He hasn't said anything about continuing health care reform, we're still in Afghanistan, I don't think any tax reform is going to happen. I would like for him to start making some public appearances laying out his plan for the next four years.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 09, 2012, 01:17:40 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/eavesdrop-on-the-webs-most-interesting-ron-paul-debate/250725/

A cursory look at that website indicated to me that those guys attack Ron Paul for all the wrong reasons.

A non-interventionist foreign policy is correct as far as I am concerned.  If Ron Paul is against the invasion of Afghanistan, then his position is better than Obama on that issue. 

Why not oppose Ron Paul's anti-health care position instead?

No republican candidate is better than Ron Paul, but I am not so sure that he would be better than Obama.  It would be an interesting comparison.

The only presidential candidate from either major party in recent times who was better qualified for the job than Obama is Dennis Kucinich who is both pro-health care and anti-war, the "only Democratic candidate in the 2008 election to have voted against invading Iraq."

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 09, 2012, 12:02:51 PM

The president should never take a vacation, THE BASTARD.

You really haven't been paying much attention to current affairs the amount of tax dollars this president has spent on himself and his family, have you?

You really haven't been paying much attention to current affairs the amount of tax dollars this president has spent on himself and his family, have you?

The problem with Obama is that I don't really know what his plan for the next term is. He hasn't said anything about continuing health care reform, we're still in Afghanistan, I don't think any tax reform is going to happen. I would like for him to start making some public appearances laying out his plan for the next four years.

The problem with Obama is that I don't really know what his plan for the next term is. He hasn't said anything about continuing health care reform, we're still in Afghanistan, I don't think any tax reform is going to happen. I would like for him to start making some public appearances laying out his plan for the next four years.

"My Fellow Americans.  Congress is a bunch of squabbling jack-asses and I can't take it anymore.  I'm tired of getting all this heat from the Republicans every time I want to do something and I'm tired of the Democrats being a bunch of pussies against the hate and anger of the Republicans.  Therefore, I'm dropping out of re-election and moving to Canada.  Try not to nuke yourselves."

He'd be a disaster. There's no way the republican house would let him massively cut back on the military or start lopping away at major arms of government but they'd happily support his homophobic anti-choice views.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on January 09, 2012, 09:05:46 AM

He'd be a disaster. There's no way the republican house would let him massively cut back on the military or start lopping away at major arms of government but they'd happily support his homophobic anti-choice views.

Except he's not homophobic nor is he anti choice. Quite the opposite, he believes states should have the rights to decide for themselves on those issues.

Quote from: heresis on January 09, 2012, 01:43:09 PM

You really haven't been paying much attention to current affairs the amount of tax dollars this president has spent on himself and his family, have you?

No, Obama does not spend tax dollars on himself.  No president does.  The numbers that right-wing rags throw around whenever Obama goes on vacation are the costs of his transportation and security, which are not in his control.

Which I'm glad of.  We need people with open minds and the ability to admit mistakes in office, not pigheaded fundamentalists who will stubbornly cling to every preconception regardless of what happens.

What is speculation is your claim that Paul's vision is what the Founders would want.  You don't know that.

Well, obviously if you rip the guts out of the federal government, there won't be any deficit.  There won't be anything to pay for.  Again, I wonder how many of the fanboys actually know this about their hero.

I meant that you were an exception to the fanboys who only know about his foreign policy.

No, because it's ridiculous.  Paul throws the Constitution out the window when it comes to separation of church and state.  On this issue, he is one of the most extreme politicians out there.

This complaint is clearly grounded in reality, and truly merits a serious response.

Really, that's your source?

I just think it's bizarre how easily some of you are outraged over the president taking a vacation. All presidents go on vacation, they all require special security, which costs quite a bit of money. The costs have gone up dramatically in the last decade or so. Obama hasn't gone on vacation so often that it seems out of place.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on January 11, 2012, 08:10:40 AM

I just think it's bizarre how easily some of you are outraged over the president taking a vacation. All presidents go on vacation, they all require special security, which costs quite a bit of money. The costs have gone up dramatically in the last decade or so. Obama hasn't gone on vacation so often that it seems out of place.

"Nero fiddled while Rome burned." While the problem is the amount of money he spends on vacation, it's more the fact that he's going on vacation at a time when his country needs him the most.

While in office, he has yet to do anything to significantly help the US.

What's the imminent crisis now? Please say something extremely long term so I can make fun of it.

While in office, he has yet to do anything to significantly help the US.

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 11, 2012, 09:12:08 AM

What's the imminent crisis now? Please say something extremely long term so I can make fun of it.

Take a look around. We're beyond bankrupt and yet, we keep outsourcing and these politicians keep ignoring the real problem, the federal government's budget. Yes, it's partially a long-term issue, maybe, but the effects are being felt right now.

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While in office, he has yet to do anything to significantly help the US.

How about 22 months of job growth?

People falling off unemployment because they've used up their weeks does not constitute job growth.

If you guys think the politicians want to fix things, you are wrong. Things are progressing just as they want them to. Your votes matter not at all to them, except for the fact that they want you to have fun while debating issues and candidates.

Weren't you just complaining about how Obama folded on the NDAA's liberty issue so that he could pass his bill reducing the defense budget? The senate embedded that small provision into that larger financial bill, giving him a choice. He could either veto it and fail to reduce the military expenditures (giving Republicans and propaganda machines more ammunition for him "not doing anything about the war"), or veto it to protect the rights of suspected terrorists.

Secondly, please demonstrate how the effects of the bad economy are only most pressing now. As I see it, you're just critical of Obama taking a vacation at all. Any time he decided on could be scrutinized for being during a bad economy.

Note "Job Creation" in the title.